"The Minneapolis Police Department went the entire year last year, recovering about 900 guns from the street, arresting hundreds and hundreds of violent offenders, and we didn't shoot anyone. And now, this is the second American citizen who's been killed, the third shooting within three weeks. People have been speaking out, saying that this was going to happen again… This is not sustainable." —Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara

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[–] 214 points 9 months ago (26 children)

Then start arresting them. Even if you can only hold them for 24 hours and they go free, it starts to send a message and gets them off the street.

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (17 children)

    Seems like in a world where cops are allowed to shoot whoever resists that there is actually a pretty easy way to handle a bunch of ICE goons with like two days of training.

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago (16 children)

    ICE and CBP personnel in Minneapolis outnumber state and local police in Minneapolis. It's a bit more complicated than just "arrest ICE and shoot them if they resist."

    It would also be the literal start to the second american civil war. Everything so far has been leading up to it, but that would ignite the powder keg. Unless the state guard is ready to defend against a DoD invasion, lighting the keg in an official capacity is inadvisable. Maga is drooling at the mouth for public executions.

    The longer we can delay full-on civil war, the better. tRump & co want things to accelerate as fast as possible. Don't give them what they want.

    And before you say "we're already at war," this is not what war looks like. Not even close. Don't exaggerate, or else you might learn all too soon what a real war looks like.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    Oh, and which one do you think is more interested in fighting in the streets of Minnesota? The actual people who live there and swore to protect the people of that state, or a bunch of Jan 6 goons who had 40 minutes of training and were flipping burgers last week?

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Your formulation orients the answer as if it were obvious, but Jan 6 goons did prove on Jan 6 that they were very interested in fighting. Not necessarily competently, but at least enthusiastically.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (8 children)

    That doesn't really matter, because in order to chase ICE out of Minnesota you would need to present a forceful deterrent, and that's numerically unfeasible when you have less personnel and a smaller budget.

    ICE/CBP could have 30 squads of 100 goons roaming around different parts of Minneapolis. Even if state and local agencies operated on an "all hands on deck" basis (which is untenable over a span of days or weeks), at most they would be able to have 26 groups of 100 personnel, or 30 groups of 86 personnel. Either way, it's not really the show of force that would be required for what you're asking. Especially when they're at a material disadvantage when it comes to hardware.

    Especially if DHS decides to send in reinforcements...

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago* (7 children)

    ICE is already struggling to find personnel to deploy to this, you really think they keep showing up if they start getting arrested? They don't HAVE reinforcements.

    Remember: These jobs suck. The only people doing this are a handful of true believers that actually believe they are achieving something and people with no better options. There is not an infinite pool of people available to do this. When the job gets harder, riskier, or just less pleasant, that pool gets smaller.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    That "if they start getting arrested" part is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

    How are you going to start arresting people who have you outnumbered, out-armored, and out-armed?

    Some people lack all understanding of combat logistics, and it shows.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    It sure does. You seem to be operating under the assumption that the entirety of ICE is standing there on the street of Minneapolis. That's weird.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I'm operating on the fact that they have over 3000 personnel in Minneapolis alone.

    And you're operating on the assumption that they couldn't just move more personnel there to increase their numbers if the less than 3000 state and local law enforcement personnel in Minneapolis somehow managed to outmaneuver the DHS agents that are already there...

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    You think there is an infinite pool of people who want to be ICE agents? The people of Minnesota outnumber ICE agents on every corner of the city WITHOUT their law enforcement agencies showing up. You are dreaming if you think 3000 inbred morons can capture an America city, let alone an entire state.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    This comment thread was about whether local law enforcement should be arresting ICE. But if you want to move the goal-posts, I'll bite.

    How many protestors in Minneapolis do you think have a permit to legally carry a firearm? And out of those, how many do you think are willing to bring a rifle to a protest? Do you think it will be enough to prevent ICE from shooting them on sight, and likely massacring all the unarmed protestors behind them?

    Armed resistance takes planning, organization, and coordination. And until you start seeing that happening in numbers above 3000, the resistance is outnumbered.

    If you wanna put your neck on the line, do it like the OG revolutionaries. Hang out in the back room of a pub, get a list of names of people willing to put their asses on the line with you, make them swear oaths of loyalty to a cause (good luck, oaths mean nothing in a secular society), and have them swear to secrecy before letting them go.

    Keep your list of names secret, cause if the feds find it then you just fucked over everyone who swore to follow you. And you'd better hope to the gods you don't believe in that nobody will betray you to the feds.

    Once you get at least 3000 loyal comrades, train them in the use and maintenance of firearms as well as combat tactics and maneuver warfare, and have them all fully equipped, then you'll have yourself a militia large enough to liberate Minneapolis. Assuming the feds don't call in back-up. Or call in the military.

    Nevermind the fact that they have a bigger budget than you, and hardware that you don't have access to. After all, who doesn't love cheering for an underdog, right?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Fascists <3 violence and hate elections and we can’t let them win

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, they want to destroy the civic order, and no matter how much damage they do to it, we can't let their destruction become total. Because as soon as we stop holding together the fabric of society, all is lost.

    No matter how hopeless it gets, we must refuse to give into lawlessness and chaos. That doesn't mean we should tolerate intolerance or lawlessness, but it means we should insist, above all, on civility and maintaining pro-sociality.

    We mustn't let hatred infect our minds, because if we do, we cannot present a unified front. The resistance would tear itself apart with infighting. There are already many agents attempting to sow such division a discord, posing as "leftists" and advocating for chaos and destruction. We mustn't let them win.

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  • [–] 48 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Just keep holding them without due process. Why the fuck not?

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It would be hillarious if ICE won a court case where they held someone without due process, then the police use that same case to hold ICE without due process

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  • [–] 50 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Maybe he could like police his streets then? Removing thugs with guns is, like, his job.

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    This is CRAZY! And as the Chief of Police I want to say it's HORRIBLE that UNKNOWN, MASKED, ARMED MEN are MURDERING AMERICANS IN THE STREETS! It's BAD! I want you to KNOW this because I'm NOT going to Arrest or in ANY way shape or form slow Down these UNKNOWN DANGEROUS MURDERERS!

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    You should really put these posts on Twitter, you'll have a million followers cheering you on and agreeing with everything you say in no time while the joke goes so far over their head they wouldn't be able to see it with a telescope.

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    MAGAs are trying to blame the mayor and governor for not deploying the local PD to protect ICE Apes. There are 3000 ICE Apes, and 600 local cops. Are the ICE Apes such pussies that they can't protect themselves?

    Or maybe they just want the locals around to act as scapegoats for their own incompetence.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago

    Words are meaningless. Take action

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Even the pigs be like "slow your fucking roll you psychos"

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  • [–] 107 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Hot air.

    Are you going to act or just yap like a little dog? You're a chief of fucking police. Ohhhh, you don't actually care? Gotcha.

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  • [–] 55 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    That's how all the politicians and authority figures have been acting. It's because in reality, he doesn't control his gang (the MPD).

    His gang supports this shit but he's the public face of the gang and has to act like they aren't loving all of this. Mind you this is the same police force that kicked of BLM because of murdering a civilian.

    They don't give a shit about human life and this is just fucking theater.

    Edit: added some punctuation and fixed a typo to improve the sentence structure.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago

    You got guns, make it stop.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The cool part is how my mother voted for the asshole again, dissolving our relationship. /s

    Fuck you, mom. You used to rock.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    and we didn't shoot anyone

    For some reason I don't believe this

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    Picture shared here recently shows MN as the 8th safest state in the US. Absolutely should not be there. They just want them there.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Rival gangs / warlords

    Cops steal the power and responsibilities of community defense from the people, and nothing upsets them more than someone else showing them up. In fact, I imagine that police chiefs are far more distraught to hear that neighborhoods are organizing their own patrols and security networks than they are about the murders.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    This is not sustainable legal

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Ok then Brian, how about you and your department go oh I don't know do your jobs?

    I'm tired of seeing cops and politicians on TV or twitter just ensuring they get a good sound bite and not actually do anything. It's like the Mayor of Minneapolis who is all "fuck ice" ok then bro, tell your police chief...literally this guy...to go arrest them and kick them out.

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    By themselves, they are outmanned and outgunned. There's been multiple stories about how they show up even with some order by a judge in hand and ICE/CBP just ignores them. From a practical perspective, they don't have much recourse if ICE/CBP ignores the law and has the force.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    We need to stand side by side with our judges and leos to enact our own force on these goons it sounds like.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    As we saw in 2020, The Minneapolis PD doesn't have to shoot people to murder them.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    You know,this is a scenario where the general public wouldn't mind you using your ACAB powers on ICE.

    The public will cover for you. Use that shit.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    "not sustainable", as if he's cool with it as long is it doesn't mess with his stats...

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    arrest the pedophile running the country if you are a cop

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    This stops when the Epstein files get aired in the open….so I guess never

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    When the cops are (comparatively), the good guys...

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 9 months ago

    Yeah, this is the amazing thing, to me. Sure, it's only words, and I have no doubt that the chief has cheerfully beaten plenty of Minneapolisonians senseless and taught the technique of police brutality & corruption to his employees. He's no good guy. You can tell by the badge. But I srsly can't remember seeing a top-level cop on camera calling out other cops.

    It doesn't mean much, but it means some fraction of something.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    All cops are irredeemable bastards. You don’t get to untraitor…

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    This cannot be a healthy attitude though. Like, a police force is one of the basic requirements of a society of even moderate size. The police suck much, much harder than they should, but I absolutely cannot believe that everybody working in law enforcement everywhere is an irredeemable cunt. That cannot be the correct take here

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (11 children)

    You seem to have developed a taste for boot, sailor. There is simply too much evidence that your take is not just complete bullshit, it's fucking dangerous.

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    How do you not constantly walk into walls with your eyes closed so tight?

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Eh. I've met police. They've actually been helpful to me when I was on the receiving end of a home break in. They serve a purpose. A lot of them are racist, sexist, violent thugs. But their role is nonetheless essential, and some of them can be decent. An unpoliced society has been trialed multiple times. I am not aware of any attempts where it worked out.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

    “Every society has the criminals it deserves.” ~’Red’ Emma Goldman

    Time and energy are best spent on improving society not punishing those it left behind. Sorry about your stuff.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (5 children)

    Tbf (and I have no dog in this fight other than:)

    Home invasions aren't just about "stuff." Even if "they just want your TV bro" it's about no longer feeling safe and secure in your home where you "should" be able to (those of us home invaded and untrusting know that there's not really such thing as total safety, just relative safety, but most expect it even if it is naïve innocence.) What's more sometimes home invaders steal your TV, sometimes they're Richard Chase, B.T.K, The Nightstalker, some people get murdered or raped or both in their own home by an intruder. And even in cases of alleged gangstalking where someone(s) breaks in and moves shit around or leaves something rather than even taking anything, with the clear message "we can get in here, you're not safe." It's not about the "stuff."

    Idk, maybe until your home gets broken into and your roommate gets pistol whipped and you're all too poor to go to the hospital so we just superglued his head back together (didn't work great, actually), you can't know how it feels and are just stuck in the materialist "stuff" mindset, but yeah it can really mentally fuck people up actually.

    (Of course, the police still don't help with that as they always show up after, guns help.)

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (4 children)

    They didn’t say home invasion. But you keep all that info handy for when they do…

    Other than that, what exactly is your point? Buy guns?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    when I was on the receiving end of a home break in

    So you just being pedantic, or what's good?

    Other than that, what exactly is your point? Buy guns?

    Well, yes. But also my main point is "you being a callous dickhead with 'sorry about your stuff'" just makes it clear you've got no clue how it feels and probably have only a tangential idea of what "empathy" is at best.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Well Internet stranger who knows nothing about me, I’ve lived a life of violence. I’ve been robbed (at home). I’ve been brutalized. I’ve been raped. I lived on the streets for years. So… perhaps I am callous but I’m sure as hell not ignorant to the plight of the average person. Sorry about your story, life is difficult and dangerous. Same as I’m sorry about the other blokes stuff. You want I should shed a tear real quick because we found another victim of this shitty society? No hired thug is going to change any of this. But we as people could build a better society that puts us first and capital last. Or let’s just say fuck it, buy guns, pretend cops are inevitable, and FTW amirite? I mean some days I’m on the fence…

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    No I agree the way to fix this in the end is societally, but yeah the way to protect yourself immediately is force, so either become One Punch Man or get strapped.

    But as to the other stuff, well maybe you earnestly meant "sorry for your stuff" but it seemed (and often is used by others as in "it's just stuff" to minimize home invasion victims' experiences) as if it was sarcastic. If that's not the case, my apologies. If that is the case you have no clue what this person went through, like for many others it may have been more than just "stuff."

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  • If I learned anything from the 2020 era... It's to not have hope that people have changed or will change.

    I'm already to the point I believe USA is dead. Part of how we got here is our privileged naive culture and it saddens me that some people are only trying to go back to that false lifestyle of faux freedom and safety. They will fight trump only go back to the data mining, surveillance, categorized mass produced lifestyles that are made to herd the people into categories.

    If USA was a computer, we need a new hard drive with a good Linux distro. This fight shouldn't be for a virus removal, or even a reformat to reinstall windows. If we do that we can expect the repetition of history.

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