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[–] 84 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Doing evil shit should have a social cost. We need to be boycotting and generally making the life difficult for any canadian company profiteering from trumpist fascism.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Exactly. If I shoplift a chocolate bar they will note it and I will eventually be called to court. But if they do shit that ruins cocoa production in West Africa they will still get their massive bonuses year end.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I love the idea of boycotting these guys but I have no idea who they are.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Well they have an address on Wikipedia. Maybe if I was in Vancouver I'd go to all the coffeeshops in walking distance and ask the owners of they'd be up for putting up a poster saying Hootsuite supports ICE on the window. Maybe their suppliers want to know. Maybe their cleaners? Their landscapers? Costs can also be indirect...

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago

    oh honey no...

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    [–] 41 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    “ICE is using social listening not to amplify one political aisle, but to better understand how they’re perceived; especially by audiences who may distrust them. They want to listen, build trust, and communicate more effectively as an agency that serves all Americans,”

    LOL "distrust" is way too mild. More like abhor, hate, loathe... any acronym for hate would do.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    You ever read a lie so brazen that you know for a fact the person that wrote it knew it sounded absurd and ran with it anyway?

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Fascists do not only lie tactically, to “con” enemies or the masses. According to Finchelstein, fascists also lie as a matter of epistemological principle, since they view the truth as something created and enforced by violence, not as something to be discovered. Paradoxically, then, fascists’ lying has an element of honesty: a sincere and genuine rejection of the idea that their beliefs could ever be rationally proven or disproven, since they believe their beliefs are simply intuitively known to the select few destined for power, or conveyed by the leader or movement to the followers. However, as Finchelstein points out, and as Kahn-Harris’s and Leeb’s work help illuminate, fascists also lie for disingenuous, psychological reasons—that is, fascists lie as a mechanism of denial, to protect their consciences from awareness of what they are doing and to hide from “unspeakable truths” about themselves.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Very insightful! Thank you for this comment @msage@programming.dev

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    I never heard of them before and I want them to disappear and all their data evaporated.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I don't see a way to contact Hootsuite on their website to complain.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    More like Jackbootsuite.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago
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    Gross; Vancouver's where I keep my stuff!:( Like my cat and my body and my home. I don't want apologists like this in my city.

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    Hootsuite’s chief executive officer is Irina Novoselsky

    I don’t suppose she might have Russian connections, hmmmm?

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    She is a capitalist following hers and her shareholders' interests. Her country of birth is immaterial in this decision. She'd tend to do the same if she was born in Canada, Denmark or Zimbabwe. As have numerous other business leaders in Canada. Their primary interest is getting return on their capital. If you look at it this way, her actions look completely rational.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Looks like they turned down a contact with ICE a few years ago under a different CEO but Irina Novoselsky accepted one last year and is now chasing more. Looks like the first was for 95k. Really who sells their soul and jeopardises the companies integrity for that. Tells you a lot.

    I feel for the staff but it looks like the sales team was chasing this. I hope the measly sales bonus helps them sleep better.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    That's how it works. A CEO of a comany that they're not the controlling shareholder works for the major shareholders. Most major shareholders' primary goal is to continually increase the return on their investment. If the CEO doesn't do that, or another candidate convinces the shareholders she can do more, the CEO is replaced. It doesn't happen quarterly, it doesn't happen in every company, but it not happening is more of an exception than the rule. It's what CEOs are graded on. A recent obvious example of a bunch of those selling their souls is Big Tech going full support for Trump.

    E: Been in large Canadian and American corporations for 15 years now. This is the best model I've seen that explains what I've seen inside. There are all sorts of exceptions and differences in degree but on the whole, it still has the best explanatory and predictive power according to my observations. YMMV

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (5 children)
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    Pre or post Soviet collapse, if pre why did she leave?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    No idea, only vaguely heard of the company myself. People are people everywhere and there are always people willing to sell the rest of us out for money. This company and it's officers should be held to account should it's support of ICE be tied to unlawful acts.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Does anyone know if there will be a protest outside their offices? Seems like something we can do as Canadians to help.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    You can't trust a illiterate proud boi.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago
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    Only good tech bro is a dead tech bro.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Looks like these guys are gonna have their work cut out, can you imagine having to come up with the social marketing spin for murdering citizens in the street.

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    [–] 22 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Their office is within walking distance of me. I should egg their window or something.

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    [–] 21 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Hootsuite should be shut down.

    Working with Trump's gestapo is a bad look for Canada. Trump brought us within a hair's width of WW3 a few days ago threatening to invade an allied country. Now these fucks are trying to make a buck supporting Trump's fascist state apparatus? Disgusting.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 9 months ago*

    Not to mention that Trump keeps directly threatening Canada and declaring his intention to annex (seize, invade, occupy) the country. To make propaganda for the US regime in this situation is treasonous.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago

    Uhhh… Canada? You don’t want this.

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    What a wonderful alignment of state violence with corporate power.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

    I think that you know that is a deliberate misrepresentation of what I said, and anyone is welcome to view my post history and make their own determination. I stand by what I said, even if the context in which I said it could have been better. I wish you the best in your social media crusade against pedophilia, regardless of its effectiveness.

    In the spirit of loaded questions and accusations: are you a fascist that supports the uniting of state violence and corporate power?

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

    This is a strange venue in which to litigate this, but I’m grateful for the opportunity to clarify my views to an interested party.

    I know that the Trump administration is fighting tooth and nail to hold the release of the Epstein files, in which he is almost certainly and heavily implicated, ostensibly because they deeply fear the evidence contained within beyond the 1% that has already been made public. Clearly, this is a bipartisan topic in an age of hyper-partisanship that matters to most of the electorate and creates responses from our representatives. If it ends up being the one that brings down Trump, and hopefully Trumpism along with it, then that would be a fantastic outcome. If it brings even a smattering of justice to the victims of sexual abuse named in the evidence, even better.

    However, I’m extremely skeptical that it will. Beyond Trump, the implicated are an obscenely rich and horrifically powerful class with global reach that has long since been rendered almost immune to real prosecution. Furthermore, Trump has been proven to be more slippery than a mob boss when it comes to real legal consequences. Instead, I think his removal will come as a result of his death or extreme ill-health and dementia.

    In the end, it is my belief that screaming about pedophiles on the Internet and alienating allies in the fight against fascism by accusing everyone who doesn’t agree of being a pedophile (as it was in my case) is at best ineffective and at worst, trivializes and dilutes the concept and stops progress and discussion cold. It’s on the level of Internet meme at this point.

    Personally, I’m much more worried about the threat of nuclear fucking war from a potential full scale invasion of NATO allies and the destabilization of the international order. So, you’ll just have to excuse me when I say I think identifying Trump as a pedophile can take a back seat to that. We all have our pet peeves I suppose; you hate pedophiles, and I don’t want to be incinerated in nuclear holocaust. In the end, I think we can agree that removing Trump and his administration is a good way to make progress on both, whatever the method.

    Sorry for denying you a Yes or No answer, but my views on the issue are more complex than that.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago*

    its all the executives, ceo, and other politicians in our countries hes protecting, plus all his billionaire donors.

    the ones that are highly suspected already are MUSK, rfk jr, leslie wexner, GATES. Thiel is another one that should be on there too.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    I can’t answer that question with a Yes or a No answer because I don’t really know, and I’m not willing to participate in a reductionist circle jerk that requires a one-word loyalty oath. I’m also not a psychologist, so my opinion on the matter wouldn’t hold much value.

    Here is what I am fairly certain of: he will never see the inside of a courtroom let alone a cell for his crimes, and neither will anyone else implicated in the Epstein files above the level of Janitor. Instead, we should focus on the mass death, extreme suffering, and the collapse of democracy that follows Trumpism.

    A white nationalist ICE is militarizing our cities today. Concentration Camps exist in America today. The plans to invade NATO allies are being drawn. Mass digital manipulation and the surveillance of regime opponents is happening now. Fascism is happening now.

    The question is glib and inconsequential. Do you have any other questions?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Do you condemn Hamas?

    DO YOU CONDEMN HAMAS?!

    Same energy.

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    [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Dang it. Hootsuite used to be a decent marketing tool. When it was totally free, it was even good for those of us users who wanted a slimmed down version of our social media (Fb & Twitter in a single tab especially). It's disappointing to see them fall so far.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    That is not an effective way to "build trust."

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Why the fuck would a Canadian company need to "build trust" with ICE?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    We're talking about a company of skids whose sole purpose in the market is to track you with invasive practices and enable SEO titheads to spam their BS across multiple social networks at once.

    The bar for them is barely above the floor.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Hootsuite has always been a terrible company.

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