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[+] [S] 87 points 9 months ago (7 children)
  • [+] -13 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    this is a Fox affiliate, which is a pretty conservative news source, but less conservative than Fox News proper,

    That's not really how it works...

    If it was an affiliate someone like Sinclair owns it and operates under Fox, like a franchise.

    Fox still owns this one, so the Murdocha control it directly. But the level of influence exerted varies.

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  • [+] [S] 24 points 9 months ago (5 children)
  • [+] -12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Feel free to elaborate further here

    There's not really anything else, or I'd probably have said it already...

    Just weird to have someone ask me if they have any more questions. Like, if you want to learn about stuff, asking questions is a pretty important part of the proces

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Just weird to have someone ask me if they have any more questions.

    Oh noes! People trying to engage on a social network explicitly created to foster discussion!

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago

    What?

    They didn't ask any questions, they asked if there was anything else I should explain to them...

    (And to explain why that doesn't make sense, is I have zero clue what else they don't know)

    So I suggested they ask a question if they had any ...

    And I legitimately don't understand why you'd respond to that with:

    Oh noes! People trying to engage on a social network explicitly created to foster discussion!

    I just don't understand what you are doing

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  • [–] 57 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    The rest of the country should join

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I'm on a 9/80 schedule now and Friday is my off day. I'm already not working that day.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Same here but in solidarity with MN we've just decided to refuse to spend any money anywhere, whether locally or online. It's what we can do, and we're doing it.

    If everyone in the US (or elsewhere and doing business with US companies, if you feel so inclined) who is pissed about this simply does what they can, Friday will be a great start.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago

    Thank you for the archive link, OP, I hate visiting fox links.

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  • [–] 38 points 9 months ago

    Good for the lawmakers here.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago

    Might be too cold for the march but cold enough for any excuse to not go outside for work or school

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  • [–] 38 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    This needs to be a national strike not just Minnesota.

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  • [+] [S] 36 points 9 months ago (2 children)
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    [–] 68 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (26 children)

    Sort of nullifies the effectiveness of a general strike if you agree ahead of time that its only for one day, a friday even. I'll take whatever we can get at this point but calling this an actual "General strike" is a bit exaggerated.

    Strikes don't end until demands are met.  The strike starts on the 23 and ends when ICE leaves, otherwise its not a strike its just a day of protest which while also good its nothing new and is not going to convince any capitalists or politicians to actually do anything. 

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  • [–] 70 points 9 months ago* (5 children)

    Baby steps.

    This mutually demonstrates to each other that we are all fed up and ready to take action.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    I hope you are right, however this was said about the length of time between the protests about the obese imbecile. "It takes time" "baby steps" "we need to gain momentum", etc etc, and look how that turned(fizzled) out.
    Again, I hope so. Please, guys, do something.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Fair question, but you have to start somewhere. Most early strikes and protests aren't about succeeding on the first attempt with anything, but more conditioning people to see this as a new norm, and get used to the idea of a strike.

    It's also a great way (protesting specifically), to meet others of a like mind and exchange contact details and get organized.

    What needs to happen next is another folowup general strike if nothing changes that lasts for 3 days.

    Then one that lasts for a week.

    Then 2 weeks.

    Then a month.

    Then in perpetuity until demands are met.

    Countries and people who are not used to striking or protesting need baby steps to get there. The US is not used to this sort of civil disobedience and need time to ramp up to this being the new norm for everyone until the fascist in chief is chased out of the office.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago*

    The voice of reason. We aren't supposed to be finding the ONE, SINGLE mechanism that will suddenly flip the political switch from Insanity to Utopia. That doesn't exist. We need to send a continuous, growing message to those in power that we are are watching them, we know what they are doing, and we are going to change it. Big strikes and demonstrations demonstrate the growing numbers, and that terrifies them.

    There has been a lot of talk of reaching a "Tipping Point," where an idea or movement suddenly takes on a life of its own, and becomes a societal trend. It takes about 3.5% of the population to reach a Tipping Point, and that's about 12.5 million people on America. The last couple of No Kings protests attracted over 7 million, and were significantly increasing in size. In addition, there are millions of supporters at home, who may not be able to join a protest for many reasons, but believe in the cause, perhaps debate online, but certainly VOTE.

    MAGA recognizes and understands the growing existential danger those growing ranks of PEACEFUL protesters represent, and are likely to respond harshly and violently. That will betray their fear, and it only means we have to apply even more pressure.

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  • [+] 9 points 9 months ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    To make national news all it needs to do is shut down the airport. Prolonged shutdown of airports does far more damage to the politicians and wealthy than it does to average people which is why republicans are so afraid of it.

    A one day strike will absolutely test what kind of power is being weilded by the public.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I suspect this government would use a strike at airports as an excuse to take it over with military, going by the air traffic controller strike way back when
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Professional_Air_Traffic_Controllers_Organization_strike

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago*

    The military can't replace commercial flight crews. They can maybe fill in for air traffic controllers but if flight attends, pilots or TSA strike there's no flights. The military lacks an analog for tsa and flight attendants, and pilots have to be approved for specific planes.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The perfect demonstration was the last government shutdown. The Dems were willing to let their constituents literally starve, but once the shutdown started affecting the airports, and their wealthy campaign donors couldn't move their operatives around the country, the Dems folded in 48 hours, and got NOTHING.

    It was the final last straw for me. It perfectly illustrated who the Dem leadership works for. Time for The Hook for the MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Hakeem.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago*

    just like protests, it was mostly ineffective and just made ICE more bold, because they know there wont be rioting or retaliation coming their way. no need to issue violence, but rioting should be enough to scare them as well.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    For real, if you are actually on the ground in MN, you need to be doing every single thing you can to switch the verbage to "we're doing this until demands are met" none of this "we promise we'll stop in a bit, please don't go have drinks with your buddies all weekend and forget this was even planned"

    Also, not you, collective you

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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    A Friday 2 days from now.

    I'm all for a general strike, but I do need to do little things like make sure there's food in the pantry first.

    I get there's urgency, but a half-hearted shrug of a strike that we can't maintain for more than a day is just gonna embolden them.

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  • [+] [S] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    One of the things I keep seeing in relation to strikes-- the idea that calling out sick is good enough--- is somewhat problematic, honestly. A strike is a clear picket, And holds little value if it's not clear that you're doing it for the cause

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There are strikers who are on the frontlines, like you describe, and people who strike by staying home.

    Both are valid forms of civic disobedience. One is not inherently better than the other. Both are required to necessitate change.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    It's also not helpful that this happens to coincide with an extreme cold snap that has shut down schools and businesses anyway. No way to tell the actual effect from the incidental effect due to the weather.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    It's -20F outside here. Pretty easy to take part in the strike today.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago*

    It’s the least they can do. And a one day strike is useless AF. General strike is no one works until demands are met.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    These one day strikes and protests do Jack shit. The whole point of a strike or protest is to stop economic progress until demands are met and that takes way longer than a day. Has the current administration ever bothered to listen to these weekend protesters even once? Step your game up.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    Right, we should never even start anything until any suggested plan meets with your full approval first, and only then if it is 100% guaranteed to hit the goal in one shot.

    Fuck that. Shitting on a small start is just another way of saying you hate that anyone is trying to do anything. Like how the very same people who bothered to go to peaceful protests over the summer -- "that's not good enough! that'll never do anything!" -- are the ones now organizing direct action in their communities: I bet you think that's coincidence.

    Yeah, no. But thanks for letting us know what side you're on.

    Me, I stand with MN. If this is where they wanna start, I'll start there too. There will always be plenty like you to judge helplessly from the sidelines.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (2 children)

    That's not what I'm saying at all, I'm also with MN. I am 100% with you that something is better than nothing but you've had year of small starts. I'm also not saying to attempt to overthrow the government with guns. Those fuckers only understand one language, money, and they won't give a shit until you strike for long enough to hurt their profits. One day or weekend ain't gonna cut it.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    You need to get people on board first, these small protests show people they arent alone in what they are feeling and that there are people in their area who would be there to help and support for larger events. It allows others to organize and share contact information and grow the movement. Considering almost all social media which has the saturation needed to even allow this to be done online are coopted and owned by the opposition, we need these slow burn style events to make people acclimated to doing this for one and also to help grow numbers to a point bigger more successful action can be effective. While media may misrepresent these as general strikes a more apt description is these a like recruitment drives.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Ok fair enough. I still think that a one day strike is ineffective, even for recruitment. I really hope you guys gain traction soon. From the outside looking in it's very alarming and the media makes it seem like not enough is being done.

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