cross-posted from: https://discuss.online/post/34255100

Thought I'd create a distinct thread from the previous one asking about daily use, because I really do want to hear more on people's pain points. Great to know people are generally sounding pretty positive in those posts who recently switched, but want to know your difficulties as well! This way old and new users can share their thoughts, hopefully to inspire a respectful discussion.

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[–] 41 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Been using it for a couple years, my main ones currently are:

  • VR. SteamVR is a broken mess, Monado is pretty much functional, but I haven't switched yet. Mesa or the kernel sometimes forget about VR and break it in an update.
  • QT5 to QT6 transition for my favorite Matrix client, Nheko. Scrolling is a pain, and the clipboard randomly stops working.
  • Wayland freedom and featureset is nowhere close to X11. I can't choose a window manager without locking myself in to a specific featureset on my display server. Stuff like global hotkeys isn't supported in most applications. I'm still on the godawful GNOME desktop portals, which is most annoying for file picking. I have no HDR support because my window manager isn't from KDE or GNOME.
  • GTK4 apps looking like shit (there are patches luckily), I try to avoid them just because of libadwaita and GNOME's awful design.

On the note of Wayland, I have switched, and for good reason. Besides unimplemented features, things "just work" a lot better than X11. Still wish I could have effectively bspwm window management with kwin featureset though. (Plugins for tiling are not the same experience)

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I actually haven't had much problems with VR. Gussings thing will improve with the steam box

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It depends heavily on headset. From what I hear, standalones with WiVRN or Steam Link work fine ootb, not much different than desktop gaming with Proton. I have a Valve Index, a PCVR headset. Getting it to run (properly) is a pain. Monado is making it easier, but it's not 1 to 1 the same experience as on Windows.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I can't get past the train in alyx after getting the gun, I crash on the loading screen. I tried both bazzite and cachOS with the same result. Getting it to even run is always a hassle too and feels like it comes down to luck if it runs or not. Multiple components seem to fail at random either it doesn't launch or the headset stays black, or I can't get the game to run and stay in the cloudy sky or the room scale messes up and I'm half stuck in the floor. The whole experience is awful even though I really want to enjoy VR. I got myself a really beefy pc with a 9800x3d and a 7900xtx so I hoped not having to struggle with nvidia drivers would make things easier but I'm at a loss what to even try anymore or if its worth it.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I use a valve index too, only problem I've had that I can link to Linux is loud static sometimes that plays over game audio. Relaunching steamvr a few times seems to fix it. I think adding a dummy audio output also helped, but I made that a hot minute ago.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    My experience has been very slightly better (Quest 3 + Wifi 7 AP) on CachyOS compared to Win11. I was using Virtual desktop streamer (paid $25 for it) and now on Cachy using ALVR (free).

    Framerates are more stable, very slightly lower averages in a few games, but the 0.1% lows that make me nauseous are now gone on Linux!

    Regarding HDR yeah, I wish it had more widespread support and not get stuck on 1 window manager. But on KDE at least the SDR->HDR color mapping looks better than the Win11 auto HDR.

    Needs more work for sure, some X.org applications really look terrible out of the box lol, but overall it feels good to be on an OS that gets improvements with time instead of downgrades.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    GTK4 apps and libadwaita apps are different though. You can theme both as well.

    Regarding Wayland, I wonder why features still vary so wildly, even with projects like wlroots. Do WMs just not care enough?

    Scrolling in Qt apps in general isn't great. Still no inertial scrolling for example.

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  • [–] 31 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Linux is better for audio production than it’s ever been. That said, the plug-in support is still severely lacking. Even the VST bridges are hit or miss because a lot of plugins install via .exe installers which may or may not run well via wine. Getting a raw .vst file is actually pretty rare. And that’s for free plugins that don’t require DRM. Most professional quality plugins are more complex.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Have you tried LSP? I’m super impressed by it and it can be a drop in replacement for many pro-grade technical plugins. That and reapak have pretty much replaced everything for me.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    LSP seems neat from what I’ve used. I think Reaper’s stock plugins are higher quality compared to the stock plugins in most other daws as well. I’m specifically in the market for modern metal drum sampler and amp sim plugins. The open source stuff is great compared to what it used to be. Just nowhere near what I can get pretty easily on Mac or Windows. It’s the finally itch I need scratched to really whole heartedly use Linux full time

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Just last night I was playing around with the Tukan plugin collection and they are mental. Lots of very good sounding clones and models. I haven’t checked the drum stuff, but I did play around with the bass and guitar stations and managed to dial in some serious high-gain wall of sound type tones very easily.

    Another way of getting good tones is simply obtaining high quality IR-s and just loading them in a suitable plugin. If you have a reamp box and access to some nice amps you can even create your own.

    You could also do something similar for the drums. Just get some nice samples, load them into any old sequencer and you got yourself a drummer who’s never late or drunk. Then again, you lose the out of the box experience, but you only have to do it once.

    I regret not switching my audio workflow to linux much earlier. A few years ago I got rid of everything Microsoft and started working with Reaper stock plugins exclusively. Not as pretty, but basically anything can be done with some fiddling. Only now I’m exploring the JSFX and LSP options and I’m hard pressed to find anything that I miss from the days of expensive plugins. Made me a better engineer as well. Less distractions, more listening and measuring.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    It is probably because I am a moron and just took a long time to figure it out, but its always harder to set up network shares with my linux desktop than any other machine in my house. At this point I know how to do it pretty well, but its a LOT more involved because none of the GUI tools seem to really work right.

    Like I will share a folder from my server (also running linux BTW) and its instantly viewable on my windows laptop and even my streaming devices, but to discover it on my other linux machine is always a chore that involves editing a few config files and just kinda randomly poking around until it works.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    but to discover it on my other linux machine is always a chore that involves editing a few config files and just kinda randomly poking around until it works.

    What's your desktop environment? On KDE you can just enter smb://serverhost/path in the Dolphin navigation bar and it will open it.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Haha, you can! But other programs which don't have built in network share support can't use those. Also a bit annoyed by this, but it's an easy fix.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    The Dolphin file browser picked mine up pretty quick. In the left folder tab I think I just had to click on the Network folder and then my shares were there, and I could right click and pin them to the sidebar

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Bazzite. Internal Bluetooth sucks so I have an external USB Bluetooth. Certain devices refuse to respect that I don't want to use internal Bluetooth and bazzite frequently turns it back on. I shouldn't have to go into config files to fix this. I get it, it's Linux, sometimes you need to but for mass adoption things like this should be a toggle in gui. Hell, maybe it's in the gui somewhere. I fiddled with it long enough to give up for now

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago

    Touchpad: No matter what I did, the touchpad is always so bad on Linux (tried on different devices, different hardware, different distros). Two finger scrolling is not consistent, movement doesn't feel right, gestures are not precise enough. Tried to get the "two finger swipe back" on the browser on my old Intel Macbook Air and it was just horrible. Could only get three finger swipe to work and recognition of that was just not very consistent. At the moment I have a old notebook sitting here to set up for one of my family members and could only get somewhat smooth scrolling to work on Mint by using some arcane workaround... but only in Firefox, scrolling anywhere else still sucks. Apparently touchpads on Linux are still my nemesis.

    I would love to use Linux on my notebook too, but I also don't want to fight with my main input all the time. :( Will try Asahi linux on the M1 Macbook as soon the battery issue improves, but I have a feeling that the touchpad problems will drive me back to Mac OS again (which sucks, because they keep locking Mac OS down more every year...).

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    I think security wise linux can do better, I'd like to see more isolation of processes. I find accessibility is lacking as well, particularly translation and ocr software. I think this is actually something local visual ai models would be very good at but are not leveraged for in open source.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    You can improve the security model by using SELinux, but not without hating yourself tbh

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I think secureblue is probably the least painful way to make it a little tighter

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I'm on Kinoite for a host of reasons but one reason I chose an atomic distros was isolation / containerizatoon. I'll take a look at what secure blue adds and see if I can manually implement any of that in Kinoite

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Flatpack and password managers. They’ll oil and water. 

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I hear you. Kinda by design though. Its supposed to be difficult for containered applications to interact.

    I think i installed keepassxc native. Then some config magic I've forgotten.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Yeah, it's not the worst thing in the world, just makes things awkward.

    I do really like the idea of flatpack, I'm 110% in on containers, probably too much. There are just compromises that ned to be made today.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Not my pain point, but my friend's.

    He recently installed linux mint to try, mainly because of the dubious quality of windows 11. After using it normally for many hours (maybe for 2 ~ 3 days), his system just froze, the audio entered a loop, and he was only able to shut the computer down pulling it from the plug.

    I have no idea why this happens, this used to happen to me as well on arch, but then it just stopped (maybe some package update fixed it?).

    I've seem people pointing to proprietary nvidia drivers causing it, but I never understood how the driver could freeze everything in the computer.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    A device driver needs access to the system to control a device. There's a couple ways of going about it, but GPUs are effectively required to use a kernel driver. A kernel driver runs as part of your system, and crashes have different effects from normal programs. If a normal program crashes, the system handles that, the program closes, too bad. If the kernel crashes, nothing can catch that, and your whole computer crashes.

    That being said, with this little info on the crash there's nothing anyone can do except speculate on the cause. It could be hardware, it could be the kernel. Whatever it is, you'd need more information (journalctl -b -1 after a crash and reboot) to diagnose this issue.

    Though important to note; if holding the power button for an extended period of time (30s) doesn't shut down the computer, it is most likely a hardware fault.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I've gotten such symptoms before when running out of RAM - I'm on Arch and never bothered setting anything up for that instance and I'm not sure what's going on, but I think the system is struggling to recover memory or something before it resorts to killing processes, and would sometimes freeze for a minute like that.

    That said, yeah... Kernel modules (which device drivers often are) are allowed to run at a higher level of privilege, with less oversight, more access to hardware and better performance, so if they misuse that privilege they can break things badly. And with proprietary drivers, you have no idea or control of what it's actually doing, so you can only try to downgrade or wait and hope the company fixes it.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    Had to think about it... The answer is nowhere. I built my digital life around Linux for 23 years.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    Just wanted to say this is a nice thread, thanks OP for starting it and everyone for participating :)

    Gives me nostalgia for the "tech support" category in forums. We should really really bring them back, they're not well suited to "aggregator" platforms like Lemmy/Reddit or messaging applications like Discord

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Minor issue is the vulken shaders that load before I play a game. Most of the time it's quick and only done after an update but some games do take a long time.

    Also having issues where Wine freezes up when running applications. Sometimes for close to two minutes before responding. I haven't looked into this one yet as it just happened recently.

    Bazzite with Nvidia GPU of this matters.

    Non pain point not having the system install updates during my "focus" time and bringing the system to a crawl until I let it finish.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    With the advancements in wine and proton, I’ve found a lot of games do well with adding -dx11 or -dx12 in the launch options.

    Maybe a ticket could be made about considering changing the default for one of those programs

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    My friends play the finals and arc raiders and i tried both games on linux and they worked fine. Suddenly after an update both of the games (same developer) just don't load anymore. They work if i dorce dx11 on them, but run like shit.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    A handful of sites that decide because I'm on Linux, I must be a bot and I'm blocked from opening sites.

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  • [–] 71 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I miss start menu ads, intrusive bing searches, copilot upselling, MSN news, and uninstallable things I'll never use on my PC like Xbox.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)

    I miss notepad++ so much. I miss musicbee so much.

    Oh and I miss TagScanner so much too.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Notepadqq or Kate are supposed to be pretty good replacements!

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    The one thing I can't get set up on Kate is leaving temporary text files open between sessions.

    Probably a bad habit of mine but I sometimes end up pasting some info into a notepad++ file without saving it and then come back much later to check it out again

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I miss musicbee so much dude, tauon is great but it still isnt the same

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Oh. I'll check tauon, I didn't know it. But yeah, when I first installed linux like 5 years ago, I looked for a Musicbee alternative for months. Still miss it.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Its pretty good if you are mainly looking for that simple itunes grid and left list style. It doesnt show the artwork of the current track and I wish it let you customize more than it does but its p damn good. Hope that dev is doing well lol.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    My latest project is a NixOS based NAS, with the goal being to make something super reproducible I can help friends setup for themselves to build out a decentralized backup/media/adblock/fileshare/communication tool for me and my loved ones.

    I understand the concept and use case of flakes and home manager but every time I have attempted to install these, down to just fully copying provided configs, something doesn’t work, and then uninstalling them is a bit of a nightmare. I’ve yet to find a truly accessible NixOS tutorial as someone coming from an Arch from scratch install and tinkering with some 6 other Linux based operating systems.

    I’d love for either a fully flake free setup, that is just simple “default style” config files, OR an actually useful tutorial that discusses the generic process of installing these in a way that I can actually understand, because I clearly lack some important piece of knowledge to make it work as intended. So many pieces of software I’m interested in simply say “install the XYZ flake and you’re good to go”. People make Nix seem so simple (and when it works it feels that way) but there’s some disconnect between the author of every tutorial I’ve followed and me as a relatively new to Nix end user.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Can't stream peacock to watch my motorsports. Resolved by unsubbing but I still wanna watch sometimes.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Peacock doesn't work in the browser?

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Using Mint for some years now, there are two main pain points for me. Both do not stop me from using Mint as my daily operating system, but they reduce convenience.

    Default package repositories contain software versions that are long outdated (e.g. tmux, claws mail, neovim, libreoffice). Although this can usually be fixed by custom ppa or manual installation it decreases the benefits of a default package repository and causes additional maintenance efforts.

    Laptop hardware / driver issues:

    • When using nvidia graphics driver, FN+Fx keys do not change display brightness (although brightness hud is shown). When using xorg driver instead, these work, but the input for unlocking my luks volume at boot freezes and I cannot enter the password.
    • FN+Fx does not enable/disable touchpad. I was able to fix this with a custom script and keybinding.
    • Keyboard lighting cannot be controlled by OpenRGB and some other tools I tried, because the specific keyboard is not supported (yet?).
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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Mainly kernel level anticheat, though that is obviously not really linux fault.

    My other personal gripe is probably stumbling across a GTK based app that works for what I want it to do but clashes extremely badly with my Plasma DE.

    For example, I wanted to set up automatic file backups to an SFTP server using borg. The two common UI interfaces I found are vorta and pika-backup. Vorta only supports SSH and local backup repositories while pika allows SFTP through some kind of compatibility layer with gvfs.

    Seems like pika is the right choice for me but the UI felt incredibly dumbed down and really did not match with anything else on my PC. Since both programs were kind of out, I found another backup tool in Kopia.

    The reason I was looking for a backup tool at all? I was previously using synology active backup for business, which is available on all linux distros except arch.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Vorta only supports SSH and local backup repositories while pika allows SFTP through some kind of compatibility layer with gvfs.

    That's kinda wild given SFTP is just SSH.

    If you're flinging files across the network, rsync is usually a really good option. It'll typically be run over SSH/SFTP and is capable of resuming if interrupted, verifying the copied files match the original, etc. and rsync can be super fast compared straight SFTP in some cases. In a pinch you can always cobble together a pretty robust backup script purely based off rsync

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Most things that are barriers for me are knowledge and time gaps, I am below novice.

    I would like to get links, files etc to my pc remotely. Like sending a torrent file and have it start , or a file to print.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Choose your route: spend your time to learn the terminal, then you'll be able to do pretty much anything via SSH, or learn docker and networking basics and you'll be able to do pretty much everything via web interfaces. I'd recommend the latter if you are not strictly interested in learning the OS but just want to build stuff on top of it

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I looked at docker because it seems to be able to do anything I think I might want it for, but was told to reverse course and learn the system first before going deep into such complicated systems.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago*

    The best way would be to use Qbittorrents web interface. You can drag and drop files and have them start downloading imediately. If you need to do it over the terminal, qbit has an option to watch certain folders for new torrent files. You could then use Samba to transfer files over your local network.

    Edit: I skipped over files for printing. Can't help with that, but my guess would be Samba as well.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    For sending a file to print, share your plugged up printer over the network.

    For sending a torrent file most of the time people use their torrent clients web interface. A person suggested using qbittorrent and that’s a perfectly fine one, but if you’re a fellow or lady of girth swishing brandy around in a snifter, might I recommend rtorrent+rutorrent?

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Linux kernel or distros?

    Assuming distros, my pain point is that it is not popular. For Linux to actually take over, UI/UX for everything without a single touch of CLI (akin to Windows and Mac OS) needs to be normalised. And everything just needs to work (see LTT), be snappy/instant (looking at you file browsers, Firefox, etc.), and use established behavioural norms within Windows and Mac (looking at you middle click paste, and it not being a universal scroll) as basics. Just give any distro to any Asian population. They won't even be able to figure out how to type their own language as if they are exiting Vim.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Plasma apps don't navigate to network shares. So backup sync is not possible for non IT people. Even though Dolphin can easily access those shares. No backup is quite a showstopper. There is no easy way to permanently mount shares either.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Does adding them to fstab not work?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I'm looking for a solution that non IT users can easily do.They will not discover that, or know exactly what to type in. This is something that should be very easy for people. It really needs a setting or command in a Dolphin menu.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    In my experience a lot of non it people have used computers with text interfaces and don’t have any problem with things like fstab but I understand what you’re saying.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    It's in our interest to have good usability to encourage Linux use for a broader range of people. Mounting needs to be discoverable, and done in a few clicks. Command line, and typing magic words into fstab is a definite no-no for people who never work that way for everything else they do.

    The strange thing is, why did KDE miss this critical step for backups?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    I’m swiftly moving into the sparsely populated camp which holds that it’s not actually in our interests. Maybe the bell labs people were the good path and were walking parcs bad path now. We’re gonna find out for sure!

    Idk how kde missed it, they’re probably taking fixes, why not whip something up?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    I wouldn't wish Windows 11 on anyone. More people on linux means better driver support and more main applications. And better open standards support.

    I've reported it several times. KDE just keep closing it as a duplicate of a totally different bug.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child)

    More users of a system has never meant more driver support. The two don’t correlate on windows, mac or linux. Hell, the kernels been shedding drivers during the last few years! I also don’t think more users means more main applications, no matter what you mean by that, but it’s neither here nor there because neither one of us can pull things in the direction we want.

    What are the kde people saying it’s a dupe of? Is there a number?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Software and hardware companies look at the market share to decide if its worth making a Linux version. If linux has a chunk of the market it becomes viable.

    This is one issue on the topic. It was changed by nate to the kup application, then marked incorrectly as a duplicate. Backing up should be possible with most applications. Today none can do it. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=513001

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I have been using various Debian-flavored Linux variets for several years in both desktop and server.

    Recently I got a System76 laptop for work because they are food quality, repairable, and mostly "just work". The main issue I have run into is Cisco Secure Client (formerly AnyConnect) simply breaks in Ubuntu/PoP. If I do get it to install by ignoring Cisco's shitty instructions, it either won't route traffic once connected or corrupt itself attempting to auto-update.

    It is purely a Cisco issue because they don't put much effort into their Linux VPN software. Other VPNs not only work easily, but can also integrate into PoP Cosmic. Cisco and their restrictive nature just make the process impossible.

    Heck, you can't even download their VPN software without a Cisco contract. So if my company doesn't provide the correct version or distro package, there is no way for me to get it. Since most people on the helpdesk don't know anything about Linux, they simply provide the generic Linux.tar.gz file instead of the DEB or RPM files.

    I gave up and installed Windows on a second NVMe.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago*

    I fully switched to Linux in 2024, my last desktop Linux experience before that being at least five years prior.

    • Windows behaves a bit more gracefully then Linux when the VRAM is being exhausted. On Linux I can get graphics artifacts and sometimes Steam crashing. That mainly becomes relevant when doing GPGPU stuff, though; gaming works fine.
    • Some apps use GTK4. Since GTK3, GNOME has been moving away from a "regular" desktop experience and towards this weird pseudo-mobile thing that goes against all established conventions. That might be nice if you really like their style and use nothing but GNOME, but it's really annoying if you don't. I long for the good old days where action buttons weren't crammed into title bars.
    • Occasionally having to manually fix package updates. Only an issue because my distro is Arch-based and that kind of stuff is to be expected there.
    • I haven't managed to get three-finger swipe mapped to PgUp/PgDn so far but I use the trackpad rarely enough that I haven't bothered investing time into it yet.
    • Occasionally the system just shits itself when rapidly switching between different users' desktop sessions. Again, that happens so rarely that I haven't bothered trying to deal with it yet.

    On the other hand, I'm happier than expected with Wayland and PipeWire. They just work with little fuss. Sure, I'm a KDE user and Wayland is reportedly less fun outside the big DEs, but for me it just works.

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