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[–] 347 points 9 months ago (23 children)

Sharif is not politically active, but in 2024, some campaigners came to her shop and told her that Trump would be good for business and against the LGBTQ agenda. 

“I was immediately hooked,” she said

Well, Sharif, FUCK YOU. You were immediately hooked because he was going to hurt other people.

And now he's hurting you (on top of them).

Cry me a river, Sharif.

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  • [–] 135 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Why do people harbor hatred for people living their own life. It astonishes me to no end

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  • [–] 74 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Usually... a religious background. While most major religions do talk about inclusivity and helping others... They're also filled with stories and sometimes even instructions of how to destroy those that don't believe the same way.

    There are religious leaders that push agendas of hatred because they have the power to do so and they're harbor that in their own heart, surrounding themselves with religion as a shield.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago

    Because they're fed lies and projection that those people are coming to ruin their way of life. And it's very hard to undo all of that reinforcement, a lot of dissonance and regret and introspection to navigate if they do along with all the inevitable lifestyle change required to leave that environment. That's why even the ones who admit they made a bad call, will usually only cite the consequences to themselves and their family. If they ever come around to actual stranger empathy it will be at least another year or two later.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Religion or family trains them from an early age that X==bad.

    Evolution for uncounted generations tells us to make babies. It's a super weapon to use that as the basis for "those people bad"

    It takes a lot break a person away from that mindset.

    It's even harder if you're raised in an area where eveyone is struggling to bootstrap.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Good people will naturally do good things, and bad people will naturally do bad things.

    To get good people to do bad things, you need religion.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I used to think that there were good and bad people. I've come to believe the tags good/bad are insufficient. People are self-serving, and at best, they are willing to help others once they feel they've gotten theirs.

    I've seen churches that host drag story time so kids can get exposure, I've also seen churches that chase off black folk.

    I don't like the idea of churches overall, but I've personally known some people who credit church with steering them away from bad things and dark places.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago* (11 children)

    I mean, at some level you have to read these people as extremely indoctrinated. We've got a culture of such intense xenophobia and bigotry that people will throw their personal well-being out the window just to hurt some anonymous Evil Other.

    On the other... Minnesota went blue in 2024. This person's vote didn't matter. Their residency added to an EC that gave Kamala Harris 10 points. They could have stayed home and nothing would be different.

    It genuinely enervating to see folks pretend like Presidential Elections are some kind of contest of individual virtues. Like, what if she'd lied? "I voted for Harris so I don't deserve to be harassed and bankrupted and deported." Would that have meant anything? No. She's still going to get her teeth kicked in unless she's got friends and neighbors who will stand up in her defense.

    I want to believe this is a moment for people to realize the fundamental nature of community solidarity. But instead it just feels like I'm reading the outlines for the next round of justified immiseration. Perhaps she should be punished for opening her dumb bitch mouth. Never talk to a reporter and people won't feel inclined to hate you.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (10 children)

    Sorry, I disagree with you.

    Sure, let's accept they are indoctrinated. Their indoctrination is basically saying them that hurting others is a good thing as long as they are not from "the good group". And they get "hooked" on that?

    Sorry mate, but I am one of those that, if I lived in her country would probably get hurt sooner than her (I'm autistic). If I lived in her country, Sharif would have voted to hurt me and the people like me. And she openly said she "got immediately hooked" on the idea.

    Fuck Sharif, vigorously. Because it's on you if you want to be a piece of shit that gets indoctrinated by a "theory" that says, basically, "we'll hurt everyone that's not a MAGA".

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Their indoctrination is basically saying them that hurting others is a good thing as long as they are not from “the good group”.

    They're raised to believe they are in a uniquely righteous and benevolent group, fighting a just war against tyrants.

    And they have ever misfortune or injustice in their lives attributed to this evil outside force.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    That might provide an explanation, but it's certainly not an excuse.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    It's a consequence of US foreign policy not some individual moral failing

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

    No individual is that stupid. They're just evil bigots too cowardly to even put their bigotry on their own conscience so they seek other bigots that provide a fantasy and community where their bigotry is a virtue.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    People aren't just born this way. They're indoctrinated.

    It's not a question of stupidity, it's an issue of perspective. It's the same way you have Texas grade school bludgeon "Mexico tyrannized Texas but now we're free" into each subsequent generation of kids as part of the Texas History curriculum. You raise generations of Floridians by telling them over and over and over again that Cuba is the Bad Place run by the Bad People and its your duty to liberate them by any means necessary. It doesn't work on everybody, but it inevitably cements this reflexive fear in somebody.

    And then you sift these radicals off the pool with police/military recruitment, religious clubs and mission trips, political organizations and anti-communist business communities, and a dozen other state-sponsored organizing groups. In the same way you make an atom bomb - by sifting and compressing the most radioactive isotopes of uranium - you can make Miami Cuban radicalism.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Do you apply the same lack of agency to everyone or just reactionary proles?

    If you dig far enough, nothing is technically anyone's fault and free will is an illusion. Even the self deluding centrists, unhinged millionaire libertarians, and ineffectual gay liberals that I know you despise ultimately are just following their programming.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    If you dig far enough, nothing is technically anyone’s fault

    This is the nut of it. Social problems are systemic not individualistic and need to be solved systemically.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Making excuses for them will prevent any systemic solutions.

    Everything your saying is just as true for sexual predators. We don't allow them to roam freely just because it's not their fault because locking them away doesn't solve the underlying systmetic problem.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Nobody is making excuses. And trying to pivot this to sexual predators is redundant. A lot of these people are in the human trafficking business, because its an extension of the cartel system that the US endorses across Latin America.

    You do need to recognize the problem as holistic, rather than just singling out individuals. Shutting down the CIA-backed human trafficking pipeline is more important than being angry at a single Cuban expat for voting wrong.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Unless they're a billionaire? Insurance Executive? Or if they're a CIA spook? Or a White Supremacist internet influencer?

    Don't get me wrong, in so far that a person can be "evil", those people are. (And technically, good can come from them dying, it depends on the context, free Luigi & Tyler) I just see a lack of consistency, because for me, the impoverished/foreign bigot is also just as "evil", they just lack the power to enact it.

    (And evil doesn't exist in the same way that divine good also doesn't)

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  • [–] 143 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    "I was immediately hooked."

    Yeah, fuck you.

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  • [–] 93 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    "When I saw they were bigots just like me, I was really excited! Then I found out they're bigots in other ways too and it made me sad :("

    Fuck you, lady. You wanted me and people like me dead.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago*

    These stories often hit me with a pang of pity at first. Poor, dumb, moronic idiots, I just want to hug them and pat them on the head like the snotnosed children they are.

    But as you pointed out, they were roped in to this with promises of cruelty toward others. It's hard to muster up empathy for that.

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  • [–] 92 points 9 months ago

    Get fucked Sharif. You voted to hurt people, and now he's gonna hurt you.

    Eat shit.

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  • [–] 86 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    “I just wanted him to kill the gays!”

    Bigots getting what they deserve. Cry me a river.

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  • [–] 35 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Right? My immediate thought was "They're against the 'LGBTQ Agenda'? I was immediately hooked as I believe people just living their lives is an affront to me and I wanted to hurt others".

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Bigots getting what they deserve. Cry me a river.

    Everyone is getting what this bigot deserves. Don't gloat. Their misfortune is ours as well.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    Yeah, but at least the person causing the problem is feeling the effect of their decisions.

    Its like the Ocean Gate sub implosion. Nobody deserves horrible things happening to them, but at least the people that earned the negative effects are receiving them.

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  • [–] 58 points 9 months ago

    I wish Sharif nothing but the worst.

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  • [–] 57 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Sounds like Sharif don't like it.

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  • Yes, indeed. The weapon you voted for is indeed coming to kill you and your people. And the desire and tendency to kill you and your people were abundantly clear the first time around. So the only conclusion to be drawn is that you’re an absolute fucking idiot.

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  • [–] 41 points 9 months ago

    Voted for hate, receive hate. Reap what you sow, you dumb piece of shit.

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    against the LGBTQ agenda

    I have a suspicion this person did not use those exact words when she described her position. Also I bet a lot of slurs were used when those campaigners arrived at her shop and convinced her they were "against the LGBTQ agenda".

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    [–] 36 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It also astounds me that people with names like sharif would ever feel safe voting red at all let alone for trump. But no, gotta hurt the gays for... checks notes having literally zero effects on any aspect of my life.

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago

    Jesus Christ Sharif, someone told you that he's going to come after people who literally just want to go about existing unbothered, ya know like you want to do, and out of fear you thought "hell yeah, hurt the thing I don't understand, you got my vote!"

    The fuck?! Does it tax your brain remembering to breathe?

    Clearly, Sharif, you lack the mental capacity to empathise with anything outside of your immediate experience, so perhaps a shared lived experience is your only route to empathy with people outside your immediate circles.

    I wish you all the best on your journey to growing and hope, once your empathetic abilities are developed, you're able to be readmitted into humanity, but I don't wish for that journey to be a pleasant experience for you; may it be filled with fear, pain, and persecution.

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  • [–] 84 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    "I Never thought the man I put in office would come for my family, make me financially struggle and cause so much fear that I carry my passport when I go to the bathroom"

    I just thought he would come for your family and make you financially struggle and cause so much fear that you carry your passport when you go to the bathroom

    Seriously, drop dead.

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  • [–] 48 points 9 months ago

    The one commonality between all the conservatives I know (both rich and poor) is that they cannot or do not care about anything that isn't obviously and directly affecting them.

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago
    [–] 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    I swear to god, didn't even have to read it to know that this person owns a business.

    The only "normal" people the media interviews anymore are small business owners.

    If you don't a own a startup, have a registered LLC, or aren't a published author then you just aren't a person.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago

    It's so clear she only cares about herself. If she personally wouldn't have been bothered by it she would still stand behind her choice. Fuck everyone one else, right? This selfish piece of shit can drop dead for all I care.

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    Those who want to hurt others who are just trying to live their lives peacefully deserve to be hurt themselves. May she get roughed up and deported by ICE.

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    Those who want to hurt others ... deserve to be hurt themselves.

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    May she get [hurt].

    ...

    Yes, I stripped out some very important words, but those words don't actually change the underlying problem: we are each wishing harm befall other people.

    She wants people hurt; we want people hurt. We're all getting exactly what we say we want.

    By all means, marvel at her stupidity and bigotry, but please stop short of becoming her.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Oh oh, lets find common ground evwee bwaaddy! Peace and love! Turn the other cheek! Fuck off if you think that works. We have been pursuing that for decades. Reconciliation requires a sincere seeking of truth. It’s not in them, and will never will be for most.

    “Becoming her,” would be attacking her because of where she was born, or skin color, or religion, or sexuality. We should attack her intolerance.

    I don’t care if they are now naturalized citizens. They lied on any oath of loyalty to our constitution. They deserve the ICE treatment. They are a part of the world’s population that will succumb to strong men. They are those whom have enabled and carried out genocides throughout history. I have been them. I was raised like them. I know them.

    If 1/3 of the world’s population cannot abide by social contracts of tolerance, then they should destroyed.

    We are not becoming like them. We have to hit the bully in the face. The difference is that many of us will be completely traumatized by what we had to do to stop the bullying. We will weep and use our emotional pain to design better institutions and futures. Will they? Fuck no they won’t.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    “Becoming her,” would be attacking her because of where she was born, or skin color, or religion, or sexuality. We should attack her intolerance.

    Parent comment wasn't attacking her intolerance. Parent comment was wishing her harm.

    Furthermore: "Religion" should not be a protected class.

    They deserve the ICE treatment.

    As are you: You are wishing harm on her, not on her intolerance. This is the exact distinction I was trying to highlight.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I want her to wake up. I have heard too many accounts like hers. Those accounts are depressing, because nearly 100% of them expressed that they would still support the politicians that harmed them.

    As far as religion, I’d prefer if it didn’t exist, but I will tolerate people’s delusions if they don’t cause intolerance and harm to others. It is not inherent like skin color, but it is does create classes that get targeted by intolerant classes.

    At some point, we must harm the intolerant by depriving them of liberty, or life. We have been entreating and begging for them to not be this way. Our “want” to hurt them is the culmination of our frustration and understanding of what their intolerance leads to. There is no fucking paradox here. That fury that we are feeling is the natural impulse to survive or die.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Oh the downvotes you'll get from not wishing ill on others.

    Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.

    Sure, the person above you only wanted them to get a dose of misfortune, but it still seems relevant to me.

    The opposite of stupidity isn't just the opposite stupidity.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Thomas Paine understood the problem.

    He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.

    Karl Popper's philosophy calls for directly and actively suppressing the people you and I deem "intolerant". The fundamental problem with his philosophy is that the Nazis are already in charge. Any method you use to suppress "the intolerant", you give to the Nazis. It goes straight into their hands for them to use against the people they deem "intolerant". Popper asks you to forge the tools of your own demise.

    Thomas Paine's philosophy breaks the cycle. He opposes fascism in general. When you instill Thomas Paine's values in the general populace, you discredit yourself in their eyes as soon as you call for suppressing anyone.

    Fascism that you happen to agree with is still fascism. Popper's actual paradox is that he was a fascist.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Thank you, I will read more about this.

    “Fascism that you happen to agree with is still fascism.” Do you truly believe that those calling for oppression against fascists, become fascist? We must be using different definitions of fascism, unless you’re saying that us making them the out-group is the same. That doesn’t ring true to me. Are there examples of this from history?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Do you truly believe that those calling for oppression

    Whatever tool of oppression you are going to use is the exact same tool that will be used against you.

    Paine's message is "destroy those tools so nobody can use them".

    Popper's message is "use these tools until you face no oppression".

    Popper was a fascist.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    She wishes harm on people just living their lives. I wish harm on those that wish harm on others. We are not the same.

    Punch Nazis.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    I will allow you only those tools you give to the Nazis currently in charge. What are you going to let them use against us?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Look, a year ago, I'd agree with the point you're trying to make. Unfortunately, the time for playing nicely to avoid escalation has passed.

    "Oh no, they're disappearing people without due process. We better silently protest or else maybe they'll start doing even worse things!" is not the move

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    I don't think you understand my point: what part of your argument justifies ICE bringing harm to this woman? Do you support ICE actions? Do you support something these Nazis want to do?

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    Well hope you are glad you got your wish, it's sure good for billionaire business and not you, and along with the LGBTQ+ agenda, the agenda for people like you to live a normal life without tortue and cruelty, was what you voted against. May you forever regret your wish of harm upon others.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    One of today's (unlucky) 10,000 who has never read that one poem. They may come first for somebody you, a fucking bigot, don't like, but later they're going to come for you, too.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Early humans must've spent a lot of time policing one another's mating habits and resource consumption, seeing as what effective tools those are at manipulating idiots today.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    Fuck, where is it? I know I put it somewhere around here. It was just here! I hate it when this happens. OH! Here we go…

    Tiniest fucking violin, shithead. Hope it tastes great.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    It's tough being dumb.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    Being that thoughtlessly stupid means her shop was doomed from the start.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    Please learn. Please.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    Karma is a bitch ain't she ? 😂

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Anyone got that Have the day you voted for meme handy?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Engorgium Leopardius

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    I am sorry, but I have to say it. If you voted for a known GRIFTER, businessman that bankrupted a CASINO and had known ties to Epstein, expecting him to change your country for the better, you are fucking retarded. Just plain simpleton, with IQ of a frozen yogurt and a brain of just about the same consistency and smoothness.

    This proves that not everybody should have the privilege of voting about things that have major, broad impacts. I am so glad I moved to another country from that shithole.

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    Everyone's becoming a rebel, slowly but surely. Sabine was a good little grunt until the weapons she built the empire were turned on her own people. It will take time, but empires always, inevitably, fall.

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