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[–] 141 points 9 months ago (4 children)

The sub's mods deleted the comment too. I see it's every bit as much of a cesspool as it always was over there

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    You know the paradox of tolerance? The idea that if you believe in tolerance, then you have to be intolerant of intolerance.

    I think this general concept is applicable in many areas. Like, it makes sense to be nonviolent except in preventing more violence.

    And in this case, we should all make a giant conspiracy to destroy the places where conspiracy theorists talk to each other.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago

    The paradox disappears the moment, you handle tolerance differently.

    Handle it like a social contract that everyone is automatically part of. All are tolerated until they stop tolerating people who are also part of the contract.

    Whoever stops tolerating people who are part of the contract loses their "being tolerated privileges".

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  • [–] 260 points 9 months ago (20 children)

    They aren't struggling with comprehension, they are being deliberate about misrepresenting the facts.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago* (10 children)

    Yeah, this. They don’t want to know facts. They are actively resisting reality. Doesn’t matter that ~40 people per million per two doses had adverse effects to the vaccine and most likely recovered just fine while hundreds of thousands got sick and died from the disease and who knows how many survived because they were vaccinated.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    There is concrete evidence that young men should not have been boosted if they had already been infected.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    There is nothing β€œConcrete” at all in your claim. In fact, the study makes sure to point out the value of vaccination. If we actually interpret what the data says we should note that the largest increases in risk is after the second dose, and points out that timing of the vaccination is probably a factor. In no way does it say that younger men should not be vaccinated. If anything, waiting longer after a covid infection or not giving the second dose would more closely align any adverse effects with the general population.

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    the study makes sure to point out the value of vaccination.

    I did not mention the value of vaccination

    In no way does it say that younger men should not be vaccinated.

    And in no way did I say that. I said young men should not be boosted, I.e. second dose.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    No, you said there was β€œconcrete evidence” that β€œyoung men should not have been boosted”.

    That is opinion, and the study makes no corroborating claim to not vaccinate or boost.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I did not mention the value of vaccination

    That's literally the whole point of trials for vaccines, to determine if they work and what the side effects there are if any. Public health officials then use that data to determine if, how and when to distribute the vaccines based on of those risks of the vaccine outweigh the public health risks of the continued diseas spread

    In a global pandemic when millions of people are dying, a 1/10000 risk of reduced quality of life that helps 10/10000 people not die of the pandemic disease and another 100/10000 not experience reduced quality of life from the pandemic disease is pretty easy numbers to say "yes roll it out" because the benefits far outweigh the risks

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago

    This is a hobby with flat Earthers, MAGA, and antivaxxers. They make weird shit up and then pretend to believe it. Numerology. Conspiracy theories. They dont think there is any harm in it and like to troll "the libs" and debate them to waste everyone's time. The bad thing is that you get a portion of them that start truly believing these tales ... we have a few dozen holding US offices now.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah, we should invent new words for this, they aren't stupid, they weaponise stupidity for their own gains.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    That word is disinformation

    They know it's a lie, they're posting it anyway because they think the ends justify the means

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    What they post/say is misinformation but the act of doing it knowingly, "shamelessly trying to fuck you over" is what I can come up with.

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  • [–] 45 points 9 months ago

    Top 1% poster and a top 1% commenter. Reminds me of the quote: "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes"

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  • [–] 39 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    I made a post recently, wondering what we could do to get a larger userbase on lemmy. Many people kept saying "why larger? This size is good", even though I stated my reason for wanting a larger userbase in the OP.

    This post, right here, also shows a benefit of having a larger userbase and something I miss from reddit: actual research scientists coming to the comments explaining the paper and whatnot. I think decreasing the distance from research scientists to the general public is a good idea. And I want them on lemmy. I would love for lemmy to be a little bit less memes and a little bit more... Serious.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    But a larger community also means people like that conspiracy poster coming here and degrading the quality of the conversation. It's a double edged sword. I think we should encourage quality user growth over just quantity. Of course, that's easier said than done. But my point is that growth in and of itself is a poor measure of success: we want growth of competent users.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Ok, but having more than 3 responders per post in less common communities would be great. Like, not even the writing or art comms get more than that.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Of course, I don't disagree. I just want to encourage us to seek good comments. You could fill the comment section with 100 low quality posts and it wouldn't meaningfully improve things.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Here is the study under discussion:
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40985520/

    And here is the reddit comment thread:
    https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1qdxa5z/17_million_children_were_studied_the_results/

    And just in case anyone wants it - not that there is much value in it - here is the link that was posted on reddit:
    https://x.com/ValerieAnne1970/status/2011141377095246302

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Weird that the author who responded then deleted their account.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Thank you.

    If COVID infection did increase Myocarditis risk by 40x, wouldn't you expect to see it in the results?

    It's rare so it probably still makes sense to vaccinate, especially considering the lives saved by herd immunity. How many kids were orphaned because their parents didn't do so well?

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Why hidde the usernames? It proven the if someone wants to find it, they will.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago

    If one person wants to find it there's no problem. It's when a whole bunch of people all think they've been given license to brigade a thread and start cyberbullying someone that things get unpleasant.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago

    I was in the hospital with myocarditis after recieving the first shot. Got better after a long recovery. Got the second and third shot as soon as I could. A little hospital times seems worth it when the alternative is permanent brain, lung and heart damage.

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    Funny, but probably not very fitting to this case, as luckily non of the children in the study pool died:

    Across all analyses, there were no COVID-19-related deaths, and fewer than seven COVID-19-related critical care admissions.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    And in general myocarditis in children many cases resolve completely all on its own

    https://www.cincinnatichildrens.org/health/m/myocarditis

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    It's a top 1% poster too, so you can be sure that entire sub reddit is overflowing with bullshit theories made up by the feeble, unable to understand what they're looking at

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  • [–] 32 points 9 months ago (8 children)
    • Not a meme
    • Not a microblog
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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    Reddit is a link aggregator and forum. There's no hard line for how many characters is too many to be a microblog, but Reddit's 40,000 for a post and 10,000 for a comment is plainly disqualifying.

    Edit: Oh, but Reddit is also a meme. Case closed; I retract my objection. /s

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Reddit's character limit is to high to be a microblog?
    I wasn't aware of that criteria.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Microblogs are differentiated from blogs almost entirely by the short length of their posts (we're normally talking hundreds of characters); that's why they're called "microblogs". Wikipedia accurately summarizes and properly sources:

    Microblogging is a form of blogging using short posts without titles known as microposts or status updates.

    I could've also invoked titles, but the length difference is so vast that there's no need.

    Reddit categorically fails the micro part, but it even fails the blog part. The whole point of a blog is that you follow an individual account's writings, and – except for a new, tacked-on, superfluous, barely used feature where you can follow users – Reddit has you follow subforums.

    Basically, I'd already be confused about how someone could categorize Reddit as a blog, but to think it's a microblog is to fundamentally not know what that is.


    Edit: just to illustrate the absurdism, the average English word by usage is about 4.5 characters, implying about 8500 words. A single-spaced, 12-point page can fit about 3000 characters, and thus you're looking at roughly a 13-page, 8500-word essay.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    .......................Reddit is not a blogging platform. Are you not aware a blog is like a public personal journal?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)
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    A meme is an idea or phrase that catches on in society and becomes commonplace. It's not a word invented with the Internet. Any "meme" that hasn't spread into a widely known idea or phrase is not actually a meme. A picture with words added to it does not automatically make it one.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago

    Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Why are dates removed… to make sure this can still be posted in 2056…

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I thought the "1hr/35m/23m" were the timestamp. Isnt that how reddit does it? Does it actually show hard dates in new forums?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I'm pretty sure you can hover the mouse over to see the hard date/time. I don't believe the image was altered to hide that info. However, the usernames were removed, so that's why it does look doctored.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    i had covid-19 recently , in sept the extremely painful sore throat, i believe it partially triggered my background atopic dermatitis an early flareup.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Covid has been linked with all kinds of immune, inflammation and skin issues. Recently there have been investigations into a possible correlation of people with AD and increased risk of infection and/or symptoms. I'd say trust your instincts. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40219685/

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    also funny thing is during the whole fever/symptomatic phase the dermatitis rash "turned off" a sign is when the dead dry skin starts flaking instead of being bumpy or red, and my skin was very smooth. it did suppress the immune system long enough for that to happen, i think its the rebound effect. i do hear that some peoples AD gets worst under COVID, and others just shuts off like mines ,temporarily.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Super interesting. Maybe your immune system wasn't so much suppressed, but just too occupied with everything else being on fire to focus on only your skin... But then why would it get worse for other people instead? Both COVID and bodies are really annoyingly complicated.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    1.7 million children were studied.

    No they weren't. This is statistics.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    I think this could also be generalized into something like "Conservative struggles with colors other than black, white"

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    You clearly believe exactly what everybody else believes. Is it hard to do that?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I read myocarditis as my comida at first and got really confused as to why fictional mushroom people were being referenced in a study

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    I'm just looking at that "top 1% poster" label next to their name realizing that there's no way that anybody in that particular sub is going to believe a qualified professional over their own personal biases.

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