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[–] 125 points 9 months ago (12 children)

When this all crashes to the ground it's going to be ugly.

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  • [+] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    But we might scoop up loads of cheap RAM, hard drives and a nice GPU!

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Unless you're planning on buying the whole rack you're not scooping up anything, except maybe the hard drives. The memory and GPUs are not consumer grade hardware. Some of the GPUs you technically could hook up to your PC, for example the Nvidia A6000, but its launch price was ~$4500 so even on the cheaper end you're shelling out probably $3000 for a card that (out the box) is marginally better than the 4070ti. Most of the GPUs and pretty much all of the memory is not compatible with your standard consumer grade MoBos.

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  • [–] 56 points 9 months ago

    Damn so we really aren't always going to have calculators :'(

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  • [–] 38 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Watch this not ever really even touch the mobile phone market. The only computer they want you to have access to is the one they fully control...

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  • [–] 41 points 9 months ago

    @forrgott @filister It might...

    ![PCWorld RAM is so expensive,

    4 [] Samsung won‘t even sell it to Samsung Due to rising prices from the "Al" bubble, Samsung Semiconductor reportedly refused a RAM order for new Galaxy phones from Samsung Electronics.

    By Michael Crider Staff Writer, PCWorld ' DEC 3, 2025 ](https://media.mstdn.social/media_attachments/files/115/917/660/971/865/701/original/d69cf3f4000084ab.webp)

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  • [–] 36 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Data centers will consume..

    No, data centers that are slated to be built say they'll consume. If they don't get built because they run out of funding or the bubble bursts, then they won't consume. They're trying really fucking hard to make fetch happen.

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  • [–] 57 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It's not a shortage, it's billionaires hoarding the existing supply.

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    [–] 16 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Hold on while I use AI to create an image of a dog in a funny hat!

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Big brands already said Fuck you consumer, we're gonna sell to the big boys.
    It only saddens me that when the AI bubble bursts people will still buy stuff from the likes of Micron when they start supplying the plebes again.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Don’t bank on the bubble bursting. The real customers big paying customers are not retail but governments who would like live fine tuned summaries of all their citizens. AI is a dual use technology.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago

    Only good LLM is a deleted LLM, same goes for capitalists.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (25 children)

    ...What forces defend these datacenters? Could a platoon of motivated civilians armed with pump action shotguns carry all the RAM out of one?

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  • [–] 36 points 9 months ago (21 children)

    They use a different kind of RAM.

    It's the capacity to make RAM and the materials required to make RAM that is going to datacenters.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago* (7 children)

    They use a different kind of RAM.

    I probably got an adapter lying around somewhere

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    What's more is they use HBM RAM, which is very complicated to build and has a much lower yield than the much-cheaper-to-make consumer ram.

    So, not only are they dedicating all of their resources to billionaire assholes with fantasies of mind control over the masses, but they're also wasting much more materials and energy to make this stupid ram.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (5 children)
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    Yes? Check out my posts too, lots of ai.

    Do you have a point besides being a creep?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    So you’re mad about computers being built to run LLMs but you use them constantly? That makes no sense.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    It's almost like it's not a black and white issue, and there's a whole lot of in between...that's clearly not your game however. Looking forward to the next Gotcha™ from you tho. See ya later.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    So we should just straight-up vandalize them? As much property damage as possible, forget the shotguns, bring bulldozers, gasoline and road flares?

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Lemmy.world runs from a data center, and virtually all other instances

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    So we would not be able to have this conversation unless something more decentralized appears

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    It is my understanding that sh.itjust.works is hosted on hardware that is in The_Dude's physical possession, so I think we could manage.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    You should target their internet connection. Fiber cables are easier to damage and harder to protect. It's also easier to fix so longer, organized campaign would be needed but I think it would be possible to avoid capture for longer.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    Whose this "you" you refer to? XD

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    No but anyone with a a cheap vintage military rifle with 2000 yard/meter iron sights could reek havoc by lobbing a few bullets at a data center like a mortar from extreme range. Probable wouldn't do any critical damage but eventually someone would realize that those loud cracks are bullets and they would have to evacuate every time, forensic teams would have to come in a scour the entire place for bullet fragments and impacts. It would be a massive expensive pain in the ass. The security and insurance cost would be insane. That might put some cold water on the market.

    They would have to start building these things inside the restricted Nevada test range if enough people took up this new hobby.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    You remember a few years ago when some random town in North Carolina made the national news because some Proud Boys shot out the substation because there was a drag show at a local downtown theater?

    I'm from there.

    What I learned in those four days without refrigeration or air conditioning is that substations aren't bulletproof.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Yep, I'm from NC too. When shit gets real it's going to be normal to not have water, power, cellphones and internet because we sold all of our critical infrastructure to parasites who extort us but won't spend a dime on redundancy. People really underestimate how quickly and easily this country could be shut down when the critical boiling point is reached.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Except there are zero contracts in place to actually build those data centers, nor is there enough power generated to run them. I really wish tech journalists would do the background to determine if what these documented liars are saying is even possible, never mind likely.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Maybe we should manage these supply chain bottlenecks with AI.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Can we start to burn serverhalls?

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago (22 children)

    Yeah, so this is the part where the market regulates itself? Y'know, the part where ultra billionaires just dump money by the boatloads to buy up stuff that everyone needs?

    Capitalism will ONLY work if we put hard caps on how much wealth a single person can hoard. Billionaires shouldn't exist. Millionaires shouldn't exist. There is no need for them and there is no human right somewhere that says that you really van become one.

    Any wealth over 1 million should be taxed 100%, doesn't matter the country.

    With that, we can say goodbye to hundreds of problems that plague the world, including this one

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    This platform is so incredibly out of touch with reality, especially the more left leaning side of things.

    A millionaire these days just means you've paid off your mortgage and have a decent amount put away for retirement.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I only half agree with this assessment. Most million dollar homes are million dollar homes due to billionaires and firms poaching housing from actual families and driving up prices.

    Idk WHERE we draw the line, but I absolutely say we start culling from the top and see where we land.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The housing market is effed in a lot of places, no argument from me on that. But stringing up someone with a nest egg for their retirement isn't the solution.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    Marx himself wrote this long ass book explaining the capitalism of his time, yet modern leftist have no interest understanding the capitalism of their time.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    I don't remember it being that big of a book.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    A million ain’t what it used to be. You want to retire so you need to invest. You don’t want to pass laws that make that impossible.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    My dad's house that he bought in 2006 is worth over 1 million, how do you tax that

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    If you are in my state, it's taxed via property tax.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Yes, he pays property tax, but people are suggesting a wealth tax which would be bonkers. He would have to go back to work or seek the house

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    And I was suggesting that the middle class already pays a wealth tax as most of their wealth is in their home. I agree with OPs sentiment, but have it start above $5 million and have it pretty steeply progressive.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    If you set a number like 5 million it will eventually reach the middle class. For example, the AMT was created to tax billionaires, but I actually had to pay it one year because I sold some assets. Now middle class people have to potentially do two calculations to see if AMT applies (when you have a one time sale with a capital gain)

    Instead of making lots of new rules at random cutoffs, why not just fix the rules we already have?

    Repeal the stepped up basis for inheritance, repeal caps on payroll taxes, etc

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    Any middle-class person who puts their mind to it will become a millionaire. It involves living below your means, not buying cars constantly, and investing your money for decades. I can't stress enough how big of a difference those things make.

    A huge portion of retirees are millionaires because they were responsible and didn't blow all their money.

    Millionaires shouldn’t exist.

    Why would you want responsible, middle-class retirees to blow their money instead? Why would you force them into a situation where they have to rely on others in their retirement rather than living comfortably off their own hard work?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    And nobody cares enough to do anything about, not even the consumers. Meta is building a new AI and data facility larger than disney land. They have the money thanks to face book and instagram.

    But you tell people, "hey if you care maybe do the simplest thing and quit using those products", and all you get is push back. Even here on Lemmy. They would rather their lives be worse than take the slightest inconvenience.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Lemmy has, what, like 70k MAUs? If everyone here stopped using these platforms (many of which im sure already use them very minimally) it wouldn't be a drop in the bucket of big techs user base.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    My point was that you would think that Lemmy users of all people would at least be more open to dropping the big platforms. If most of the users here are pushing back, then we really are fucked.

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  • Yeah true, i do think it's more grey than that though.

    For example, i don't really love AI but i have to use it at work for my metrics because management wants to see utilization of it. So, there's no possible way for me to avoid it entirely, i might as well use it on occasion for stuff outside of work at this point because im already a user whether I like it or not

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Who will end up holding the bag?

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    SOOO let's start some new companies to increase the supply... ? Obviously?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Doesn't help they literally said they would stop producing chips and that they have done so.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    AI revolution is so great

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    We need a Breaking Bad-type scenario with memory chips.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Just a heads up. 91 billion in data centers is held up by local politics. Won’t be built. So expect this to soften the Ai market.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Let me write that down…

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    I believe that if these AI hyperscaler facilities can’t get built or can’t pay their bills, the ram will likely not be usable for consumers if they get foreclosed on, since these companies are directly buying silicon wafers since it’s a cost cutting measure, so if they’re not built, most wafers could just stay like that, and if they are changed to work in their servers, I fully doubt they’ll use modules, since they could’ve just bought modules to save endless downtime before the facility actually starts making money for them.

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