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[–] 44 points 9 months ago (19 children)

Is there a GUI environment that will turn my desktop into the stupid, goofy virtual reality space a lot of movies in the 90s showed off as being "the future of computing?" 🤔

I want to build a computer that just mimics the stupid hollywood vision of computers from that time because it would be fun and make me laugh.

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Not exactly the same but just saw this in another thread: https://a.hollywood.computer/

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    For me KDE6 has broken workspaces and thag is unacceptable. Gnome just works (after installing 20 extensions)

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I've only just switched to KDE in the last 6 months or so, how did workspaces used to work?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I have no idea, all i know is gnome i can scroll through by holding super and scrolling or swiping with 3 fingers i can't. Sway i can press super and a number and get to a workspace. KDE i can only get to by approaching the corner. Which would be fine if it didn't sandbox apps to the workspace. I like being able to click terminal and go to terminal workspace or firefox and go to firefox workspace but that doesn't seem to be how things work in KDE. I'm sure theres a setting but I can't be arsed to deal with it.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    I haven’t had any issues. Are you conflating the switch from X11 to Wayland with Workspaces, or do you have a problem with the multi-monitor support in 6.6?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    I have no idea. I just dipped my toes into KDE again this weekend. This isn't going to sound good for Gnome but a gdm3 update on debian sid broke it. Needed a desktop so i tried KDE again. Everything i can find seems to indicate I should be able to switch desktops by holding super and scrolling or hitting a number but i can't. I can get to workspaces if i move cursor to top left. Though those might be something called "activites" since they are sandboxes from each other.

    Other than that I have KDE on steamdeck and "steam machine" connected to tv and its fine because i rarely use it for anything other than web browsing anything else I need to do on those are more easily done via ssh. I've never attempted to use workspaces on either since they are more gaming/video devices for me.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Oh! The setting you are looking for is called “Virtual Desktops.” They aren’t created dynamically, but are meant to be created and configured for different workflows so they are always there. You just need to add some!

    Add new ones from System Settings / Virtual Desktops. Once you have some created, you will have a grid of desktops you can switch between using Super + Ctrl + Arrows or by using the Pager widget.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)
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    there's a few 3d file browsers. i remember there was one like Doom where you could walk around rooms (dirs) and shoot files to delete them

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Iirc back in the nineties there were 3d desktop environments, where the virtual ‘you’ had to walk from one place to another to switch apps. All a continuation of ‘novice-friendly’ environments emulating actual offices, like Microsoft Bob.

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  • [–] 79 points 9 months ago (31 children)

    Weirdly, I love KDE, but kinda hate the look of KDE apps. Don’t ask why.

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (10 children)

    I’m the same. I like the workflow of Plasma, I just find it more practical, but Gnome actually feels like an OS made this century. All the KDE software just feels like it was made in the early 00s and since then it’s just been getting hotfixes to keep it going. I wish they’d just abandon a bunch of their projects and stop spreading themselves so thin.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    There is something about the slightly bad kerning of QT that gives KDE a vaguely Windows 95 feel. Especially when you start installing extensions that make no attempt to resemble each other; there is nothing I can do to make my CPU temperature meter and my system clock look like they belong on the same computer.

    Gnome on the other hand feels like MacOS with meningitis. It's designed to look nice, but not necessarily do anything.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

    KDE started by emulating the looks and mechanics of Windows, but with even more busy lists and dialogs. While Gnome 2 was very obviously stealing from MacOS.

    I still can't bring myself to try KDE again, after having been traumatized by it twenty years ago.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    It cuts even deeper than that. KDE took Microsoft's philosophy to the extreme, didn't abandon projects that crashed and burned under Windows, and somehow at long last made many things work.

    Explorer was supposed to be an everything-browser. Didn't work out. Microsoft gave up and made a file explorer and separate Internet Explorer. Meanwhile, KDE made Konqueror with KHTML that browsed everything -- sftp, samba, websites, open any file within any Konqueror pane, split your view horizontally and vertically as many times as you god damn like. It was really fucking weird until you got used to it. KHTML went on to become WebKit then Blink; Internet Explorer went on to become a wrapper for Blink.

    Windows 98 wanted to put HTML on your desktop as applets or gadgets or whatever. Didn't work. Sucked. Huge resource hog too. Got abandoned for the next ambitious Microsoft project that they never follow through on. Meanwhile that's exactly how Plasma works, and it rules.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Interesting, but doesn't quite inspire confidence in Plasma's resource usage either. People here complain about Electron regularly, after all. Presumably KHTML must've grown in complexity together with other engines.

    Meanwhile I've got hit with a reminiscence of Windows 98/ME having telltale underlining on folder and file names in Explorer and opening of them with one click.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    everything you said so far was screaming that you did not try plasma 6, but not even plasma 5, but finally this made it clear. you should try it sometime, it changed a lot!

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    People are saying in this very thread that KDE's apps don't look too good, and that KDE has ridiculous settings like scrolling speed per app (instead of following the system-wide settings properly). So apparently not that much has changed.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I don't really understand why anyone uses ‘KDE software’ or ‘Gnome software’, aside from the control panel and some widgets: for all actual work, I use software that doesn't belong to any particular environment. Namely, Double Commander for file management.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (13 children)
  • [–] 47 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    this being possible is madness. And I’m not sure, but I think it would look better with a bit more padding by default. (Less than gnome though)

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    What version of KDE is this? I've never had that happen, and tried reproducing it just now and could not. If I'm near the right edge of the screen, it opens the submenu to the left, not right.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    But at the same time, they’re very utilitarian, which is what I want my OS and DE to be. I want to switch to cosmic, where I tend to like the design philosophy even less, 100% out of loving the tiling components

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    KDE has its origins in being ‘like Windows, but with way more shit to fiddle with’. And since Windows was never good about design, and other KDE predecessors like CDE looked even worse, KDE didn't have a good example from which to learn.

    In contrast, Gnome 2 was very obviously inspired by MacOS, and Apple's designers actually knew about the principles of grouping and such basic design stuff that MS never properly learned. Apple spent ages on adjusting the looks of the apps, which I guess Gnome borrowed to some extent.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    I hate that Qt6 dropped the Motif theme. You can get a Kvantum theme that's vaguely close, but it's different enough that you can tell the difference (the old one had deeper bevels) and I tend to prioritize Qt5 if I can use it.

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    I've been using Mint Cinnamon for years and after having used Plasma on a number of different setups Mint feels so antiquated. It's not even close, Plasma is far superior. It's so much more modern and snappy feeling and you can do so much more with it if you want. Cinnamon makes you have to figure to look in applet settings to then find the setting to modify the start menu. So unintuitive. Among a bunch of other examples I could give

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    This is why when people tell me that Linux Mint is user-friendly, I usually assume they don't use it themselves.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Been using cinnamon for a couple years and I'm happy with it, although I don't spend much time on my computer. Been recommending it as well since I don't know any better. What's the most user friendly distro you would recommend ?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    I am happy to be so easily disproven! Thank you!

    In the past I would have said Ubuntu, then kubuntu, but I have had problems lately with things not "just working" because they were installed as a snap. 

    If I had to recommend something, I would still recommend Ubuntu because of the community, and the ui being generally well polished.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    If you also game, Bazzite.

    You have to go out of your way to accidentally break it, and drivers just work. Flatpaks are easy for people to install.

    Otherwise, of your hardware does have issues with Fedora for any reason, Debian. It's more stable than Mint.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I use Mint, it's the only distro I've used for a significant period of time, it works just fine for me

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago

    Ok, no hate (and with all appreciation for the community due), but since Gnome 3 that's really how I see it. Perfectly ok but a teletubby.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Gnome, kde, and what’s the 3rd logo? I suddenly have fomo.

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Cinnamon, the desktop environment for Linux Mint.

    You might think now that the meme is less important but it was my exact pathway as well.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    why is its icon a mountain if it is named as a spice

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Oh god, I reinstalled debian a bunch of times friday/saturday.

    I ended up on gnome twice, once because I didn't unmark anything properly, and a second time just to see what the unspecified debian UI would look like.

    I disliked/managed to use it before. Now it's so fucking macified it makes me want to vomit.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Gnome 3 isn't ‘macified’. They've actually thrown away all the good stuff they stole from MacOS in Gnome 2, when they made Gnome 3 with its own blackjack and hookers.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I'm not exactly talking about looking like Macos, I'm talking about how it "feels" more like a rounded corner, hide things away on the edges, overly animated kinda thing. KDE has KRunner which while being like spotlight from Macos, doesn't feel like it.

    It's a feeling. It's difficult to precisely explain why it feels like a distasteful experience that I hate.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Guess we pay attention to different things. Idk what's overly animated about MacOS, at least the last version that I used. The main animation in there is when minimizing an app — which in fact shows where the app is gone, and is helpful for new users. It can be disabled.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child)

    just the general communications of it. things on the taskbar bounce sometimes for notifications, when you enter the password wrong the panel shakes, etc etc. I am forced to use one for work, so I don't spend too much time trying to customise it, I gave it a once over to get rid of most of the annoying things.

    At home I've gone from Windows (non 11) -> KDE , so things are a lot more "colour change" instead of "animations"

    EDIT : oh shit, it's you! Thanks again for all your contribs in !music@lemmy.world

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    The bounce thing is great, in my opinion. The app typically bounces three or so times to let me know something happened, then stops and only bounces periodically if there's an ongoing thing requiring my attention. Iirc this is tied to the notification settings specific to each app, so is happening only with apps that I want to notify me.

    I've actually made my own app using this bouncing mechanic: a timer that shows the remaining time in the badge on the dock icon, and bounces continually once the time is up. It's launched via the command line, or rather via the Alfred launcher by banging out a command like ‘timer 3m’. There's no other interface. Took about 200 lines in a single Swift file. I'm gonna have to make something analogous for Linux once I find a decent alternative to Alfred.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    If I want simple and super stable, Cinnamon. If I want sexy, custom, and slightly less stable, Plasma.

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  • Never going back to desktop environments again.
    Niri FTW!

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Compiz and Wayfire:

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    KDE is great! (In screenshots.)

    Real talk I've tried to use KDE several times now and I just can't vibe with it.

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