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Wine 11 runs Windows apps in Linux and macOS better than ever (www.theregister.com)
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[–] 335 points 9 months ago (37 children)

i would hope every new version of wine runs windows apps in linux and mac better than ever.

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  • [–] 312 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    Patch notes: “Made the app a little worse just to keep things interesting.”

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  • [–] 121 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    That's the Microsoft strategy, but they forgot to make it better sometimes too

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  • [–] 39 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    It's been Android too at least since they stopped naming versions after sweets

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Kit Kat was the last great android version for me

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The Microsoft strategy often seems to be "It worked well, but we completely redid it because we need to justify out existence. Now it barely works with new bugs"

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago*

    That's more Google's strategy. Microsoft is more "we updated a bunch of stuff so that we could push our products and services even harder and closed workarounds people are using to avoid them, and if you don't like it, fuck you, what're you gonna do?"

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Wine 1.1, now with AI integration

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The trick is that isn't a capital i, it is a lowercase L. Now with AL integration. Every program you run just has a picture of Weird Al and a snippet of a random song from his greatest hits album as a splash screen.

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  • [–] 81 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    At this point, and given the current state of Proton (👍) and the current state of Windows (👎), the question should be, "Does the new version of Wine run Windows apps better than Windows?"

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  • [–] 49 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    With some apps/games it definitely feels like it does. Would love to see someone dedicated do proper Wine vs windows benchmarks!

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    Proton works nicely in steam

    Non steam games is an entirely different complicated issue (for some games)

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    You can download Proton for use outside of Steam, I use it in Lutris and Bottles pretty regularly. Also, you should be able to get just about anything to run just as well in Bottles or Lutris as it will in steam, but I will admit it can take some tinkering with some games or software and there is a much easier option: Add "non-steam game" in Steam library and run whatever program you need through Steam anyway.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Not sure how serious your comment is, but I could certainly imagine Microsoft introducing new dependencies/hooks/all-executables-must-support-copilot, etc., that break compatibility faster than Wine can keep up. Glad to hear that's not the case!

    For old stuff though...yeah, I'd hope it's not moving backwards :)

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    • [–] 52 points 9 months ago

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    [–] 34 points 9 months ago

    I mean, isn't that kinda the goal...?

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    [–] 29 points 9 months ago

    Windows 11 might be usable if it gets a wine port so it can run windows apps.

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    [–] 26 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Ooh, those are some lovely features. If only Nvidia hadn't dropped support for 10xx cards as per 590.xx locking me on kernel 6.12, I might even have been able to enjoy using ntsync!

    (Fuck Nvidia)

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    580xx on arch forever I presume then. Gonna be rough in a few years

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I really gotta double check on my laptop, but I am using the nvidia-580xx-dmks aur package with the latest kernel (should be 6.18) without Problems.

    But then again a lot of the "normal" HW acceleration is handled by the igpu there.

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    • [–] 25 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    I guess this isn't really even "news" to Linux gamers now, but once in a while it's nice to make an article about what constant progress has happened in a certain sphere. Certainly many people staying on Windows out of inertia blinked and missed it.

    My fervent hope is that, someday in the future, people can build a gaming PC and just forego Windows to save $100.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    My fervent hope is that, someday in the future, people can build a gaming PC and just forego Windows to save $100.

    Who's building a gaming PC and paying retail price (or any price) for the Windows license anyway? I think anyone who knows anything about technology knows how easy Windows has always been to pirate, and that keys are readily available for cheap

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    My fervent hope is that, someday in the future, people can build a gaming PC and just forego Windows to save $100.

    Good news! Your future hope is reality's past!

    Seriously though, who buys a copy of Windows for a custom built PC that they install Linux on? I've built a bunch of computers over the past decade or so and I haven't purchased a copy of Windows since the early 2000s. And technically that was just an OEM licence that came with a laptop.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Who buys? Most of people :)

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    So you're telling me that someone who builds a custom PC with the intention of installing Linux will go out and buy a Windows license?

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I ment who build a custom PC. That’s reality bro.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    My fervent hope is that, someday in the future, people can build a gaming PC and just forego Windows to save $100.

    That's what you said. And I'm not even sure what you mean by "I ment who build a custom PC. That’s reality bro."

    The reality is that a good portion of gamers either build their own systems or buy "custom built" systems from a company that builds them. It's mainly only OEM manufacturers that include a Windows license, like HP, Lenovo, MSI, and generally laptops.

    So ultimately there's no scenario where your comment makes sense.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    Ok maybe we have some misunderstanding here. My friend had internship in one computer store, where you could order custom built computers. The most of them were sold with windows license.

    Maybe that changed, idk. But I see that many stores sell computers with Windows installed and they are custom builds.

    I keep fingers crossed, because in past 5 years I tried to use Linux many times and it always ended with issue with graphic card drvers

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    • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I am just hoping the Steam Frame provides the foundation so that in the years to come I can get off Windows for VR development. Feel trapped right now.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    All I want is to be able to run Adobe software on Linux properly. My work requires me to work with premiere and after effects all the time so the moment they run ok on linux I'll be the happiest person!

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    All I want is to be able to run Adobe software on Linux properly.

    Never going to happen. They are a horrible company that actively refuses to port anything to Linux.

    There are other far superior options that do run natively on Linux. DaVinci Resolve is one, it works as both a NLE and a compositor and is objectively better than anything Adobe has to offer.

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    • [–] 39 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I misread that as "Win 11 runs Linux and macOS apps better than ever" and was ready to sarcastically point out that Linux runs Linux apps better too.

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    • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Is it because Wine has improved, or because Windows has not?

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    • [–] 19 points 9 months ago

    Windows aged like milk while wine is wine.

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    [–] 18 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    If anyone has experience in running Fusion 360 on wine plz shout up, that's the last thing I need to work out before switching to Zorin...

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    It's better with something like Winboat (virtualized windows container) within your OS than something like Wine. This is the same case for other "We don't support Linux officially and actively block it because fuck you" productivity applications like Adobe's suite.

    Personally, I moved from Fusion360 to FreeCAD instead, but I haven't heard anything negative about the Winboat method.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Fusion works flawlessly for me in winapps (and I'm sure winboat), but it is s-l-o-w. I probably need to figure out GPU passthrough and it might be bearable... But I haven't had much time to dedicate figuring it out.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Do you have any good resources for learning FreeCAD coming from Fusion 360? I've taken a couple runs at it but it's just not clicking for me. Feels like I'm trying to operate Fusion with my feet every time I try to use it.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    The FreeCAD team have a series of video tutorials on their website alongside a wiki/documentation for individual functions if you're searching for those.

    Also, there is an interface style called "OpenInventor" in the settings that changes the layout of the toolbars into a near-mimic of AutoDesk Inventor, and if you enable the "Blender" 3d modeling style (warning, does take dedicated graphics hardware to run at good speeds), things like plane layouts and rotating the object should match Inventor as well.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There's a couple of Lutris scripts, but the one that kinda worked for me was this https://github.com/cryinkfly/Autodesk-Fusion-360-for-Linux/

    Depending on what you're doing, check out Freecad. It's still a bit buggy but ever since it hit 1.0 it's been a lot better, and it runs natively on Linux

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Is there some reason you haven’t tried it yourself?

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