cross-posted from: https://mander.xyz/post/45605798

Australians love hopping over to Europe [and Europeans over to Australia] for a holiday, but actually moving there isn’t so easy, at least for now.

That could soon change, with the European Union offering to make it easier for Australians to live and work across the bloc as part of a long-awaited trade deal with Canberra, sources familiar with the proposal say.

The plan would make it simpler for Australians to take up work in EU member states without needing to secure employment beforehand, with the same rules applying to Europeans heading to Australia.

Four-year limits have reportedly been floated, along with potential settlement pathways, one European source said.

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The Albanese Government is weighing the offer, with Australian officials noting it could help fill labour shortages in sectors with comparable training standards, such as construction.

NewsWire reports the initiative was presented as a “sweetener” to bring Canberra over the line on a free-trade agreement.

A majority of EU nations last week backed a trade deal with a five-member bloc in South America, ending 25 years of talks and fuelling optimism that an agreement with Australia could be next.

European insiders said a pact with Canberra now ranks as Brussels’ “top priority,” with one adding it was “the next cab off the rank.”

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[–] 86 points 9 months ago (6 children)

It would be absolutely hilarious if it ends up being easier to enter the EU via Australia than the UK.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    It already is—it’s been much easier for Australians to move freely round Europe for some time. We have friends with dual uk / au passports, and they always use their au docs when travelling in Europe.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    In case you really need that monarchy stuff, we have some of that left in the EU:

    There remain, as of 2025, twelve sovereign monarchies in Europe. Seven are kingdoms: Denmark, Norway, Sweden, the United Kingdom, Spain, the Netherlands, and Belgium.

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchies_in_Europe

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Please dear God, anything that gets us closer to the EU and away from America

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I'm gonna laugh so hard if Canada and Oz join and start using the Eunie

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    I would be surprised but hell I'll take it at this point

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    let me rephrase if y'all call it the euro i'm gonna make fun of y'all you can do better.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Oh like a cultural nickname or something? I mean we'd figure out a few things but I don't think we refer to money that much by name, just the flat numbers. Like we only call them dolleyrdoos because that one Simpsons episode is a cultural icon.

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    British exit

    brexit

    Australian entrance

    austrance

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I wish they'd let Canadians do the same that would solve so many problems for me

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Don't you guys have rights in other common wealth countries? I know england at least somewhat cancelled the old system, but before at least anyone in the common wealth could travel to the UK and get some kind of work permit. I presume it was similar for other common wealth countries, like you could go to Australia and get a work permit, live there no?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Canadians can use the Youth Mobility Scheme 18-35 to live and work in the UK for up to 3 years

    UK ancestry visa, anyone in the commonwealth can live for 5 years if you have a UK grandparent and it leads to permanent residency.

    CANZUK is a movement? with the goal of a free travel and work area

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    If we get enough countries over time and the EU ends up encompassing the whole world it could become the Everybody Union and that would be cool.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    That's not a European Union, this is a European Union.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago*

    First, Eurovision, then free movement/trade...soo...ya gonna join the EU club at some point, no?

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Huh, with the sheer volume of Aussie bartenders and waiters I've met here in Copenhagen I assumed there was already an open border agreement in place.

    Happy to hear they'll be free to bring more great banter from down under.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    They often have families in the UK and are able to get a passport that way. When UK was in EU they could then travel and work in other countries.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Yeah we go backpacking and do work visas a lot. It’s not just a thing done here, a few of us like to do it as well.

    I know a couple of Aussies working in Europe, ones on a travelling or working visa, the other’s mother is European entitling them to dual citizenship.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Makes me mad that our previous government ended our deals with France for subs. Would much rather have strong trade ties with the EU over anything related to the USA at all.

    Scomo is a disgrace for that.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago*

    If anyone wants to come claim the USA as part of this, the key is under the rock to get in. We will need help removing the current and unwanted occupants, but a large number of us would gladly accept open trade and work with the EU.

    • also, it seems that some idiot landing in a boat some 250 years ago and claiming the land, doesn’t really matter. So, remove the pests and claim it as new Europe.
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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Great!?! Don't the Europeans know how many ski-resort jobs will be taken away by immigrants now? (Massive /s)

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    They need to clear it with the prime minister first.

    [Opens Window]

    "Oi!! Mista Prioome Minista!!"

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    And Brits still don't enjoy freedom of movement because of the imbecilic act of self-harm that was Brexit.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I would very much want to see the same for Canada. But Canada would have to first change it's open border policy with the chuckle-fucks to the south. Don't want to give those nut-jobs an easy round-about into the EU. MAGALAND --> CANADA --> EU

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago

    That’s huge news for Aussies who’ve always dreamed of living and working in Europe the European Union is reportedly considering a two way mobility deal with Australia as part of long-awaited trade negotiations. If it goes ahead, Australians could be able to live and work across EU member states for up to several years without the usual job-offer requirements and strict visa limits, which is a big step beyond current short stay travel rules. In return, Europeans would get similar access to live and work in Australia. It’s still in the negotiation phase, but if finalized, this could change the way Australians think about careers and life overseas.

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  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    NewsWire reports the initiative was presented as a “sweetener” to bring Canberra over the line on a free-trade agreement.

    Not against the free movement part, but I am not looking forward to relearning the words for even more of the products I grew up with. EU GI regulations are utterly stupid.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

    You mean words like Prosecco? That's the thing mate we did it first in Europe. Also "sparkly wine" is denominated by region and method: Champagne, Cava, Prosecco, Riesling; and the nwar furure apperantly something like "Auzzy Sparkly". Doesn't seem so difficult to me.

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  • [+] -10 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    That’s the thing mate we did it first in Europe.

    What an absurd and snobbish perspective. As if you personally had anything to do with these products' invention.

    Regardless, I make an active judgement call to avoid products that go by the 'real' name whenever Australia is forced to these agreements. I never used to care where my Champagne came from, now if the label says 'Champagne', then I know it's a Champagne I do not want.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    What an absurd and snobbish perspective.

    Tell that to the French people literally living in the Champagne region. How absurd they must be.

    Dude, then dont redicule our ways of doing things Especially since you don't even care, and probably won't be visiting Europe soon anyway, or are you?

    Champagne I do not want.

    Then good for you.

    Australia isn't forced into anything and neither are you. It's just a Trade agreement which usually is beneficial to most. I do think it's maybe time for a walkabout.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    Australia isn’t forced into anything ... It’s just a Trade agreement

    The only way the EU agrees with trade agreements (e.g. lowering/removing tariffs) is if the other countries agree with their GI demands.

    I support the trade agreement in spite of the GI nonsense; I am still permitted to voice my displeasure about certain parts of it.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Why would that be snobbish? The place where the wine was grown/made has a massive influence on the taste, so it really does matter. It's also cultural appropriation to just take a super old tradition like that and give it a totally different name.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    cultural appropriation

    No. It's called language. All food/drinks originate from one place or another; there's no reason to call the product something different just because it is made elsewhere. The EU are the ones demanding other countries "give it a totally different name" here, otherwise misleading and anti-consumer words like 'bubbly' (champagne), 'apera' (sherry), 'dolce rosso' (lambrusco), 'tawny' (port) etc wouldn't exist.

    It doesn't matter anyway. Australia 'agreed' to change the above names years ago. Fortunately, despite the change in labelling, it hasn't caught on. Law can't dictate human language and people still call the products by their actual names.

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    [–] 36 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Squidward, staring from his window 🇬🇧

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    Sweet, welcome Oz!

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    Tried to get a student visa last year for a language course... Full physical, police check, pre-booked accommodation for the entirety of stay, in-person interview at embassy, TB screening!? The number of hoops made it impossible before the course start date...

    This would be a welcome change! Especially with more countries joining Schengen, limiting the number of places that aren't in the 90 day limit.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago*

    Lets go! Bringing the world closer, ex US, is a great thing

    I'd be in France.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Wow, that's huge!

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    lol Bronxiters

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    We're already in Eurovision, so....

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    As a kiwi, I'm jealous - however it just fantasize about moving. I'll never really get around to it

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    New Zealand already has a Free Trade Agreement with the EU, so I personally think it's not too big a step to expand it. Everything that brings us closer together is good.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    With all the calls to bring down immigration, this would be a disaster for that cause and bring more people over to their cause. That is assuming it's actually about the number of people and the economic implications of that.

    Guess we'll find out if it's that or just racism.

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  • [+] -10 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I don't know about this... These days Europe lets anybody into their countries. France and Britain are completely overrun by immigrants.

    With Australias good wages and strong labor laws won't we just have people flock to the country and continue eroding wages and the power of the working class? Why pay the people $25 an hour when you can pay some desperate worker $11 cash in hand?

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 9 months ago

    From your comment one can easily infer that you have either no clue about Europe or you are just spreading anti-Western propaganda narratives. I really don't mean to offend anyone, but this is an absurdly weird comment.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    France and Britain are completely overrun by immigrants

    Yeah that's a lie. And one that's very readily disproven. Use of emotive language, veiled threats of loss of way of life...look mate, just pick up your childish right wing panic points and keep them to yourself, thank you.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Australia already does that? We have high rates of wage theft and exploitation of migrant workers.

    The answer is unions and workers rights protections not blaming immigrants (who would be the victims in this)

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    [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Wouldn’t there be confusion as not all Europeans are called Bruce? :)

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