Lots of venture capital money behind it. I wonder how quickly the enshitification will begin.

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[–] 448 points 9 months ago (43 children)

The only Reddit alt I need is Lemmy.

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  • [–] 143 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    Anything that takes users away from Reddit, and forces Reddit to compete, is a plus for me.

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  • [–] 56 points 9 months ago

    Being owned by venture capitalists is pretty much an assurance that they'll turn it to shit as much as they can get away with. The entire reason people abandoned digg for reddit in the first place was because it was selling out to ad space and shill accounts and manipulation. The venture capitalists will want big returns on their investments.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    That’s a fair point. Reddit has been openly hostile to its own users these past several years. It might help moderate that to have another alternative on the table, even if it too is a soulless corporate enterprise.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    it got worst within the last year. they ban new users and old inactive accounts extremely fast. of course you can say its due to bots using same methods, this hasnt stopped bots in any case at all. its just targetting lowest hanging fruits.

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  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    This is quite toxic attitude. You should focus on what's good for you - not what's bad for someone else.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I don't agree. We're not talking about a person or a charity. We're talking about a VC-backed company. They can fuck off and die, and it's not toxic – it's just common sense.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child)

    But two corporate entities competing are better than one secure in it's market share. Anyone with any sense would reject both for a fediverse option if it could be made to work well enough obviously but still.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Only marginally... maybe. Duopolies are still really shitty for consumers and that's the best outcome to this. Significantly better would be if more people would realise what made internet amazing in the beginning and that logical consequences from that are that public spaces in the internet where the content comes from the people should be owned by the people.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    But competition IS good for me.

    If people start migrating to better experience and better communities, they’re going to have to step up to stop the bleeding.

    Reddit can get away with making terrible user experiences and killing 3rd party solutions because no alternative has lured enough of their base away.

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  • [–] 55 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Silly question. Is Reddit still banning comments that say Lemmy?

    I don't have an account.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Idk, but now that you mention iy, I got a 2nd violation, for threatening violence that did not do so or even come close, to the point I think it was ad hoc in bad faith, to say for other reasons. I did mention lemmy not long before.

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  • [–] 32 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    Idk, I think there are also legitimate arguments for piefed !

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    What's piefed? I looked at it and mostly saw lemmy instances.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It's like Lemmy, but it has more features because the devs aren't tankies and they actually do work instead of just denying genocides all day

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    This is just off the top of my head.

    Grouping comments of the same posts posted on different comms for one.

    Keyword filtering to fade or outright block.

    Idk if filtering is in Lemmy, but grouping comments definitely isn't.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    I love the grouped comments. I scroll through the comments on once instance, then I reach the next one and you can genuinely see the shift in priorities between communities. It's pretty cool

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Doesn't piefed have that controversial hardcoded blocklist? I've heard that meme communities and similar are filtered out using hardcoded keywords matched aganst community name.

    Why hardcode this??? Imposing your preferences on everyone seems like a bad idea.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I could go for a text only version of this

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    I'm starting to agree. Was a bit quiet and every other post oddly seemed to be about Linux when I first signed up, but now I really like it. I've decided to stay.

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    You are absolutely right about that. Passively detecting your location? Fuck that. We are getting into an era where bots are overwhelming and user verification is a valid topic to discuss. I think additional device permissions can be one element in that discussion. But this idea he popped off the dome is a miserable example of such.

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  • [–] 86 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (10 children)

    Yeah… no. None of that sounds appealing.

    ‘Curbing toxicity with AI’ means a bot is going to ban you because it doesn’t recognise sarcasm.

    And ‘new tech to verify your identity’ sounds like a privacy violation at best.

    ‘Verifying that you own a product before they let you post in its community’ is a complete lack of understanding of how people use places like this.

    Digg can fuck right off.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, the verifying that you own a product thing is so dumb.

    "Hey community. I'm thinking about purchasing , but I wanted to know if it can do X, Y, and Z."

    "your post has been deleted because you have not proven that you own ."

    Wow, it's like they made Reddit even worse.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    While AI obviously is not perfect and is flawed in many ways, having AI sift through the torrent of comments and then flag problematic submissions for human review is likely going to be extremely effective with minimal false positives. Though I do say this as a person whose Reddit account is currently banned for 3 days for "inciting violence" because of a knife-based joke.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I got banned from reddit last week for "threatening violence" basically because my comment contained the word "die." It wasn't a verb.

    Reddit is super aggressive with this shit now. If you say "Don't drink bleach, that would kill you." Their AI bullshit just sees "kill you" and bans you for threats.

    Site is fucking useless, don't even bother at this point. It's mostly robots talking to other robots at this point anyway.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    I have been permanently banned from Reddit for wishing for a natural disease process to occur in a certain individual. If only I were that powerful of a manifestor our world would be a better place.

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  • [–] 65 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    We left Digg for Reddit about 20 years ago because of enshitification, the same way we left Reddit for the Fediverse recently, there is no way I am going back to Digg!

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I specifically remember the exodus from DIGG as the start of reddit sucking.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    When was that? Based on life events I've reconstructed this timeline of my hangout sites

    • late 1990s to mid 2000s was slahdot
    • around 2006ish digg came into my life and was great for a some years. At least for memes and generic dopamining on funny pictures. I think I hung around until about 2014 or so, while spicing it up with cracked.com
    • 2014ish 9GAG started having more of my type of content. After a few years 9GAG became just automated reposts of r/funny, and talking about that got you censored. Kinda like what reddit is doing now.
    • 2017ish I switched to reddit, when 9GAG just became too embarrassingly bad.
    • july 21st 2023 I started trying to figure out lemmy. BTW u/spez is a pedophile piss baby.

    Maybe I was just trailing behind you others. Was I the one to ruin your experience? Why would you accuse me of that you insensitive clod? Anyway, in that case I'll go eat crayons in the corner and shitpost on .ml

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Interesting, I had my 9GAG phase around 2011-12. Never really used Digg, just saw the front page a couple times, then started dabbling in Reddit in 2015, then Lemmy in 2023 with the blackout protests. (I almost said those achieved nothing, but I think that's probably when most current Lemmy users joined, so 🤷)

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    What, Digg was before Reddit? Thought Reddit was the OG forum of the global internet.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Digg based the voting off of a simplified version of Slashdot's. Except they let everyone vote. Reddit then took that concept and added user generated categories and user moderating.

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  • [–] 122 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    This is a rerun, and the fediverse is better

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  • [–] 59 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    They’re betting that AI can help to address some of the messiness and toxicity of today’s social media landscape. At the same time, social platforms will need a new set of tools to ensure they’re not taken over by AI bots posing as people.

    "We're banking on AI as a competitive advantage but also, here's why it's bad" is quite a business strategy

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  • [–] 57 points 9 months ago* (11 children)

    Conceptually what does this offer that the fediverse/threadiverse/lemmy/piefed doesn't?

    What then does it say about the actual value of this company and others like it?

    If you want a hypercurated/focused reddit experience just join metafilter.

    https://www.metafilter.com/

    Somehow I don't get the feeling the owners of Digg are going to be happy with the level of income Metafilter brings in to its owners however....

    “We kind of opted for … let’s just keep building this plane as we fly it,” explained Digg CEO Justin Mezzell. “That means that it’s going to be very lightweight, and we’re just going to be aggressively shipping every week and just giving them new features as we go,” he added.

    camera slowly pans and zooms out to the Fediverse where mint condition airplanes can be seen everywhere with the word FREE on them

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  • [–] 70 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    The warm and cozy feel of a VC-funded social network.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Normies can't seem to help but flock to corporate websites only.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Maybe it's because people drive them away from other spaces by doing things like calling them weird pseudo-slurs like "Normies", instead of engaging with them as valid human beings with different lives, experiences and interests who don't always want exactly what we want.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Conceptually what does this offer that the fediverse/threadiverse/lemmy/piefed doesn't?

    To us? Nothing. To others? A single place to browse and sign up.

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    Conceptually what does this offer that the fediverse/threadiverse/lemmy/piefed doesn't?

    Brand name; the simplicity of just going to a site and register instead of choosing an instance; algorithmic creation most likely.

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  • [–] 41 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Oh look, another centralized social media site owned by tech bros!

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