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  • 32 comments in c/linux_gaming@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 41 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I've heard that one before...

    At this point I have absolutely zero expectations for GOG until they actually deliver on any of their Linux promises.

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  • [–] 32 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Isn't proton open source?

    They could make a Linux client that uses Proton just like Steam does?

    Maybe even their own forks of Proton that are more suited to the kinds of games they have on the platform (like the Glorious Eggrolls spin offs).

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago

    They could, but Heroic already does pretty much everything an official client would do, I don't think it makes sense to create a new client.

    I don't think it really makes sense to create Proton forks for specific games outside very specific cases (like hacky fixes that break other games). Might as well just upstream whatever changes you make.

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  • [–] 68 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Ehhhhh.

    I actually think the current model is what more stores should be doing. Have a solid web store/client with the ability to just download games without anything else. Provide hooks so that third parties (e.g. Heroic) can manage games for people.

    Rather than assuming every single store needs to dedicate resources towards building out library management tools. Especially since EGS has shown that people will then just want social media on top of that.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    They don't "provide hooks" though, Heroic's Galaxy integration is reverse-engineered and could break at any point that GOG update how they do things. Providing a downloadable installer is nice for some people I'm sure, but most people just want to download the game quickly and easily with features like cloud saves available.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    Yep, and even for me while I prefer to download the game directly usually, when I need to bother with manually getting it to work, I much prefer steam and its proton integration. It's nice that most games at least just work by running them in a random proton prefix with protontricks, but shipping them with an install script that just gives you a shortcut and installs any dependencies would be huge (actually a step up from steam). And then if galaxy runs on linux it could use that same process.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    It's against their interest to offer this as they have everything to gain by making you install their proprietary application and capturing you inside their ecosystem where they don't have to compete fairly. Would Steam be in the position it's in if you didn't have to install it to download your games?

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    And... I don't give a fuck about a corporation's best interests (at least, not one I don't own significant stock in).

    But also: Epic have the financial backing of god, hollywood, and fortnite behind them. Valve make more revenue off their cut of everyone else's games than many small nations have in annual GDP.

    GoG is a recently spun off loss leader for a large regional publisher. And you don't add these kinds of capabilities without a LOT of corporate investment... or management who decides "AI Can Do It"

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    The more the merrier. Heroics launcher allows GOG to function but it currently feels pretty janky compared to Steam. I might actually use GOG if they create a better UI/UX than they currently have.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    I hope they also improve offline installers. Some games have really whack setups where there are so many patches you have to apply. Order matters, some patches seem optional.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Easiest way to install gog games would be heroic games launcher imo
    edit: And so says their guide

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Heroic can be hit or miss in my experience. I found that using the offline installers in Bottles would get those broken games working, which is interesting since I think Bottles still defaults to a fork of wine 9.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    I default to Lutris for my offline installers and for games that isn't one click installs when trying them in heroic games launcher.
    For most games that one click install in heroic has been working fine fthough.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    Been hearing this for years.

    That said, with Linux market share growing, it makes more sense than ever before.

    I really hope they aren't fibbing this time.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I'm always leery of new ownership.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    I used Heroic to install FO4 and FOLON, all I care about using GOG for ATM, just to keep Steam from forcing me to update. It works just fine, thank you very much.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    I'd honestly rather them not release their own Linux launcher. Heroic is fantastic, I'd much rather them contribute to that, either via development time or by sponsoring them. Some sort of official partnership with them would be cool.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Heroic get a referral link if you buy games from GOG via their launcher, which I always make sure to do. The fact that Heroic has 'first class' integration with Glorious Eggroll, and in fact updates GE for Steam for you as well, means that it's damn good for Linux gaming. If you don't need Steam's workshop or social factors for a game, there's no reason not to buy through it.

    If GOG could collaborate with Heroic on their API integration, then that would be perfection - could retire Galaxy in that case.

    https://heroicgameslauncher.com/donate

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Legit, I think and hope that this happens. I found out recently that they helped launch fallout london which was nice to hear. although I dont know the extent of their contributions for that specific case, I think that collaboration isn't off the table.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    GOG Galaxy needs more polish, it still feels like alpha quality software

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago*

    It would be great if they contributed to open source projects like the Heroic Launcher, Lutris and even Wine and DXVK.

    IMHO yet another store-exclusive (even worse if closed-source) sales + launcher application for Linux wouldn't really be a step forward for Linux.

    I expect that anybody who doesn't have a fanboy relationship towards Steam already does or will if they just think a little bit, see that an open-source store-independent universal games launcher is way more free and open (and hence aligned with the Linux ethos and immune to enshittification) than any store-exclusive sales + launcher app.

    As it so happens, given that freedom in gaming is GOGs unique value proposition, business-wise it's IMHO more advantageous for them to (very loudly and very visibly) support open source universal launchers (and maybe even some kind of open games store front protocol and open source implementation) and windows gaming adaptor layers (like Wine) serving a community with a higher awareness of the need for Software Freedom, than pushing yet another proprietary (even if open source) launcher that only works with their store - a seamless universal launcher is far more likely to pull people away from the Steam App than a GOG App.

    Under such a strategy some soft marketing of in their store website promoting Linux Gaming Distros for Windows users and of promoting those universal launchers for Linux users, might help pull more people away from the closed-source store-specific application of their biggest competitor.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Heroic is fine enough for me except that I would want it to have background downloads on Steam Deck and better achievements integration.

    If we get this, I don’t need anything official from GOG even if more official Linux support is always welcome😇

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    They stopped giving away free games. I don't know why but they haven't been giving away games over 6 months. If I'm mistaking correct me please.

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    [–] 40 points 9 months ago

    Look harder.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    and that's something that we'll be looking at.

    Meanwhile, steam is over here cornering the market

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I think you underestimate how much money valve has, and how little GOG has.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    It's been years since they last promised a Linux client.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    You don't need a client, you just download Linux games from their site and run them.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Heroic Games Launcher is pretty good if you just need to play the games from GOG.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago* (5 children)

    GOG's installers work great with Wine as do the games themselves. If you desperately need a launcher before you can even consider them, you can use Heroic Games Launcher - in fact I'd prefer if they throw their weight behind it than on Galaxy. A match made in heaven.

    I guess the other good thing is GOG is not a US company, they're based in Poland. No tax money going to the American regime and their shenanigans I never asked for.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    One day, Heroic stopped working for me, it was flagged and blocked by my network. They injected affiliated links that redirected to weird domains, with no warning on changelogs. I was worried of a man in the middle attack and I investigated the PRs. They did not even document it properly on the commits, but it was intentional, you could see the line changing in the code made by one of the main devs.

    Nothing against them making some money, I would have opened a rule for them. But doing this kind of thing without notifying people is shady at least. Later I found a message from the devs in one social network(mastodon maybe?) about adding it, but that is hardly notifying your user base. Subsequently, more people reported the client not working and they addressed it. It was not only about network rule that blocked most users, Heroic could not reach some GOG services without https and for some reason the weird redirects were forcing the route through http.

    With some wording, they made some users believe they had "team up with GOG". But they just signed for the affiliated program that anyone can sign for, GOG had no idea who they were and were not officially endorsing them. Quite often you see on lemmy people arguing like GOG is behind Heroic, or that Heroic is an official GOG store.

    Since then (early 2024), I stopped recommending Heroic to people and moved to other options (wine, lutris, bottles). I am sure it was an honest mistake. But it will take a while to recover the trust.

    All problems aside, I still prefer an open-source solution that I can investigate this type of thing easily over a closed blob that I have to reverse engineer and sniff packages.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    This is real iffy. Do you know when that change was made?

    Fortunately the thing about GOG is I can drop those launchers anytime I want, I'm not stuck with anything unlike some others. Since Heroic relies on another open source project (I believe) called Comet it's also not hard for an alternative to pop up.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    I don't have the exact commit anymore, but it was at the beginning of 2024. I remember going to suggest them to be more straightforward with their changelog, but someone beat me to it.

    Yeah, I remember other project for epic, Legendary, that a bunch of people built on top, but it was discontinued recently.

    Edit: nevermind, I found the mastodon comment, and the people reporting the problem with gog on github. From there it was easier to find the commit.

    https://mastodon.social/@heroiclauncher/111824351634717227 (It was actually a reply to their own mastodon post where the "informed" about the change.

    https://github.com/Heroic-Games-Launcher/HeroicGamesLauncher/commit/2f88dc9af051d1b1a5d79fd1baf584f1b7875168#diff-a80892a1c67a5d05d39672dd972dbb6646c6f82b57a1b6a608db0e77e09adf89

    Scroll down to webview/index to see the change. The subsequent commits were all to fix issues caused by this.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I saw the mastodon post about ad traction. Strange that they would redirect to a middle service like that, considering GOG itself supports affiliate links. I think you can see these sorts of links on PCGW too. Still, it's good that they addressed it, but the ad tracker thing remains iffy.

    I am under the impression that even if GOG doesn't support them to some official capacity, that they are still cool with them, and for all intents and purposes we basically can treat them like that no problem. And needless to say, it's a great thing that it is open source - if it were Galaxy or Steam or Epic or whatever we'd find out about this stuff way too late, get even slower turnaround and the damage would be already done. Not to mention we can fork the project if someone's dedicated enough. Like I'd definitely appreciate a simpler option making use of Comet for one.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I think Steam, GOG and Epic have API/SDK that anyone can use. It is not like they check what every single person is doing. Steam has a problem with gambling and grey market trading that uses their services, it is not like they are actively going after them.


    Btw, Comet main dev is one of the devs behind Heroic. It seems imLinguin is also based in Poland and very active with the GOG community. GOG definitely knows about them. Maybe something changes since they are willing to invest on Linux now.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    A nothingburger

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    To all current GOG+Linux users and to all those who care about fighting a (albeit benevolent) monopoly:

    log in to GOG and make your voice heard in the forums!

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Ah yes, when they get the stupid runner on all platforms, it will be a great excuse to cut the standalone installers.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    What could they even do? The games work fine on linux

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Not having a native first party linux launcher means no cloud saves or whatever other shit the launcher does (I don't use it because they don't have one) which means no feature parity which means publishers won't put linux builds on gog even if they have one on steam. This is the problem I had with Battle Chasers: Nightwar.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    GOG, it will be easier to "look a bit closer at Linux" if you pull your heads out of your asses.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    When they released Witcher 2 on Linux (CDPR) some top hat (sorry I don't remember who) did not like the feedback from the players and used it as reasons to not support Linux on subsequent titles. One hope it is not the same guy that bought GOG.

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  • 11 comments in c/gog@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Lemme copy my own post from somewhere else

    GOG's installers work great with Wine as do the games themselves. If you desperately need a launcher before you can even consider them, you can use Heroic Games Launcher - in fact I'd prefer if they throw their weight behind it than on Galaxy. A match made in heaven.

    I guess the other good thing is GOG is not a US company, they're based in Poland. No tax money going to the American regime and their shenanigans I never asked for.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    @Solumbran @mr_MADAFAKA better late than never.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Exactly. Beating them up for being late has more risk of them dropping plans altogether. Celebrate their plans, they’ll want to execute on them.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    The fuck would they care about any opinions here. They are only looking at the money they see Valve is making and want to get in on that. Their success is dependent only on what THEY actually DO. Lets see them invest some money for the developers who actually know what they are doing as Valve has done. I don't see that happening yet.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I think what you meant to say is: "Hell yeah!", no?

    Let's stop punishing people for turning around and trying to do better, seriously. It's always damned if you don't, damned if you do....

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Considering how gog has been progressing over the past years, they'll have to do much more to prove that they are getting better than to make an announcement.

    Until then, I'll remain critical.

    I don't think clapping as soon as a company that has been doing a lot of crap over years, makes an announcement about one potential future improvement, is more logical than that.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    What crap have they been doing?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Pushing a shitty launcher, selling partial games, missing versions of games, selling games with DRM, implementing DRMs through their launcher... Basically everything that GoG is supposed to specifically avoid.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    If pointing out their non-action is being sprinkled on top of their pile of historical non-action is any kind of punishment, I have to wonder how you think they have been treating us who have given them money time and time again and had to figure out how to make their games work without their support!

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    [–] 25 points 9 months ago

    at this rate, couldn't they just sunset their client and contribute towards heroic?

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago

    It would be what helps me embrace the platform more over Steam.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago

    I won't hold my breath, but I would welcome it.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    An official API for third parties to pull games/ownership would be ideal to me. So handheld/TV environments could pull those for a launcher. Shouldn't be so reliant on Steam for a good TV/handheld environment. Should be store agnostic

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