This is why I never used Ubuntu.

I call that the IPA method

Which are you on now?

and garuda! love garuda

EOS provides some more QoL features, it’s not just the installation itself (a button to update mirrors, auto keyring update, some nice pre-installed things like yay, etc)

If you need an Arch installation ready to go out of the box, EOS is a solid choice.

Edit: not trying to convince you to jump to EOS, just providing a bit more context about the distro

My wife found it accessible enough that I switched my own setup to it for consistency and it's done well. But yeah if arch works don't consider switching

archinstall straight up could not deal with the partition setup I wanted, EOS installed without problems. Something about installing btrfs with multiple subvolumes next to Windows on the same drive.

I have used both Arch and Eos. I use a special tiling wm, and I have Nvidia. Form Arch I have to install everything I need, from Eos I just select install without a wm/dm remove some bloat and install the missing. Almost the same outcome, almost the same time to set up. So it does not matter (for me).

Out of the box Eos provieds ease, Arch provides knowledge (along the way). I have friends which are tech savy enough to daily drive Eos, but unintrested to learn how the linux ecosystem works by installing Arch (at least until a bug forces them to read the wiki)

Nod-nod!

Had the opposite experience, tried Endevour first, must have done something wrong as it started running like ass/freezing up constantly requiring a full reboot to come back.

Swapped to bazzite and didn't have that issue again, I did get to learn more about how to work with mutable distros too.

Ultimately didn't matter much as that laptop died about a year later anyway, it won't turn on at all anymore, good run of like 10 years tho.

Same experience with bazzite.I had a very strange issue with packages completly gone after using LACT to experiment and managing to freeze my os.

TBH I realised immutable systems aren't for me and I am not a linux noob, so I immediately went back to Arch and never looked back.

archinstall is amazing btw. Best installer by far IMHO. shit free, takes 30s to setup an arch system with great defaults. Nothing beats it for me.

Edit: for me someone using "I use void btw" would make more sense.

Garuda is an Arch based non immutable distro with a similar gaming and performance focus to Bazzite. It's where I went when Bazzite felt off to me.

For anyone thinking of a switch, it's worth a look.

I had cachyos for 6 months no issues than the last 6 months it's been freezing constantly, was fine on an older kernel, but fans and performance mode didnt work, stuck on high or low (could swap on latest rc kernel, but itd freeze) Tried bazzite and so far no freezes (except when using usb c to display port but I had bsod on windows doing that in vr and I think thats just a laptop hardware problem)

Arch can be configured without archinstall in 20 minutes by a YouTube video even if you're a grandma with 0 technical skills.

Let's all stop pretending that having it manually installed means anything and just use whatever does it for us. Like, well, Endeavour.

😡

Just use Arch like a normal well adjusted person

Me when you use Windows: :|
Me when you use Linux: :DD

It's sad that there is a very vocal group of Linux users that will complain about every choice other Linux users make. But it's silly to be complaining about it, especially as that complaining keeps detracting people away from Linux. And I think there's lots of value in bringing people to Linux. In a time where Microsoft is turning a fairly useful OS into a platform whose only purpose is invasive telemetry and invasive marketing, Linux is a way to take back control of our computers. Linux gives you back more choice on what to do with your computer. And just because I don't personally agree with certain choices, that doesn't mean that everyone should be prohibited from making them, or that I get to scream with whoever makes those choices. Here's a final suggestion: be kind with one another, as there is already enough hatred in this world.

Today's arch experience : upgraded after 6 months or so. Yeah, had to upgrade signatures first, had to remove manually conflicted stuff, and that's it. Works, as ever.

Now yesterday I tried installing stremio on my wife's ubuntu. Gosh wtf, how do they expect any normal consumer going through gît and stack' just to install that piece of crap.

Same!

Clonezilla

Interesting. I’ve only used zfs for my nas. Do you run it on a single drive?

You mean "can you remove systemd"? Short answer: yes.

Should you do it? Only if you're fucking insane.

Just use Artix if you care that much

EndeavourOS makes running an Arch system easier, that's all. Could swap out EndeavourOS with CachyOS and the meme would be the same.