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[–] 295 points 10 months ago (21 children)

So, ICE is scared that aggressive untrained people will use deadly force against them, and that afterwards the government will do nothing about it?

That's pretty much how everybody else has felt about ICE for a long time.

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  • [–] 134 points 10 months ago (19 children)

    (The Halfway Post is a satire website)

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  • [–] 100 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    What's the fucking point in doing satire these days?

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    We all cope in our own ways. This post is an amazing example of how we are not immune to propaganda, so... at least there's that?

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I wasn't criticising the satirist, more the world that is making satire impossible to differentiate from fact.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Nah totally, I read it as a similar sentiment to "What's the point in doing anything". If that was off the mark I apologize. I just meant that we all cope in our own ways, even if some of them are somewhat windmill-tilting-y

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    This post is an amazing example of how we are not immune to propaganda

    This post isn't propaganda, though, so it's not that amazing of an example.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago* (5 children)

    Yeah and if this openly and unabashedly satirical post was still being treated like legit reporting, imagine how people must react to actual propaganda.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    Actual propaganda isn't true, though, or at least it requires an element of misleading in it. If ICE officials aren't actually concerned about people shooting them and claiming self-defense, then I'll eat my hat, as the old saying goes.

    It's also not "openly and unabashedly satirical." You only think that because you recognize the source as satirical. To everybody else, it reads as clickbait.

    Clickbait + true statements does not equal an amazing example of how we are not immune to propaganda.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    Actual propaganda frequently is true, this is misleading in that it is not actually reporting news, just guessing something is true doesn't make it true, I didn't recognize the poster I went and looked it up trying to find a source and discovered it was posted by a very open satire site, and this seems like a really stupid thing for you to be trying to start a fight over.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    this is misleading in that it is not actually reporting news

    That's not the type of misleading that qualifies as propaganda. It has to be misleading in a way that pushes their agenda.

    this seems like a really stupid thing for you to be trying to start a fight over.

    This is a fight you started by saying that my original comment was me not being immune to propaganda. If you think it's stupid, then you should have chosen more correct words.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    First: You are not immune to propaganda.

    Second: I never said this was propaganda. I even went so far as to clarify that this wasn't propaganda. This is just blatant and unabashed satirical misinformation.

    Third: My whole point is that if otherwise reasonable people like you fall for this, which could not possibly be easier to verify is from a literal fake news outlet (I timed it, it took me 5 seconds), I seriously doubt they will be more robust in the face of actual propaganda.

    Fourth: My words are fine, why are you pivoting to insulting me to try and draw this out?

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago*

    Not in this case.

    Give it a month, max, before somebody with either the cojones or the ovaries required to do this, does it.

    ... This ... this is literally how the American Revolution started, at least from one sort of way of looking at it.

    You have oppressive government forces killing and maiming enough randos long enough, eventually the randos start shooting back.

    See also: Anywhere else the US has invaded and occupied in the last, I dunno, 75 years, more than that.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    With that said, if you were to end in the same situation, would the idea to actually run over an ICE agent so that he doesn't shoot you cross your mind?

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  • [–] 121 points 10 months ago* (13 children)

    Guys, The Halfway Post is a satire website. "America's #1 source for Dada news". Lotta people eating the onion in this comment section.

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Mate, have you read the news in the last months, with special attention to the first days of this year? I understand it's satire and it's not real, but right now, people are having a really hard time to distinguish satire from real news.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    One of the biggest reasons why everything sucks right now is the prevelance of misinformation online. This isn't even trying to be misinformation, it took me literally five seconds to confirm that this is from a satire website, and yet when I posted it every other comment was engaging with this as though it were factual reporting.

    I know everything sucks right now, but we can't start freely accepting lies as truth just because we're tired. If we do that, we lose completely.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Especially when, sadly, we all know DHS will 100% get a Federal judge or SCOTUS to make this LEO-only OK and let them shoot anyone they want driving, walking, or looking towards them.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    That's because a lot of people are fucking pissed and in absence of any action by our governments and institutions in place to protect us are on the verge of taking matters into their own hands.

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  • [–] 76 points 10 months ago

    Breaking: ICE is afraid that Americans will start exercising their second amendment rights to protect their first and fourth amendment rights from a tyrannical pedofile protecting uncontrolled secret police

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  • [–] 66 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    That's why civilization exists you dumb fucks. You start tearing it down and violence is all that's left.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Eh, can't say I agree with Thomas Hobbes on this. ICE is acting in the exact opposite of the state of nature, they're the violent arm of the sovereign

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    That's a blatant misunderstanding of what a Hobbesian sovereign is. According to Hobbes, a sovereign is a form of body politic derived from the consent of the governed. People form civilizations, understanding that by abiding by common agreements they can mutually improve the conditions and circumstances of their lives. Everyone is safer when we agree not to kill each other, and anyone who violates that norm loses the protection of the social contract. Hence, capital punishment as a penalty for murder.

    What ICE is doing is violating the social contract and acting without the consent of the governed (bypassing congressional approval/oversight, ignoring established laws and constitutional rights, etc.). In effect, they're regressing us back to the conditions of the state of nature in which "might makes right" and "survival of the fittest," conditions which the social contract originated in order to overcome.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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    Was your comment intended to suggest a better term than "civilization" was "society"? That is probably a valid correction and I need to brush up on my vocabulary before I have angry anti fascism outbursts on the interwebs.

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  • [–] 61 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    ICE was the reason why I did not visit the US. Now it is ICE and the unbelievable violation of privacy at the border.

    The collection of biometrics all over the world that went from being something you needed at least serious suspicion of to being extremely common and routine for literally everything is just shit.

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  • [–] 43 points 10 months ago

    It's almost as if they're projecting since they know that it's standard practice for them to jump in front of moving vehicles so they have an excuse to open fire and claim self defense.

    They're literally accusing people of what they have been doing for at least a decade now.

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  • [–] 35 points 10 months ago

    Well, they should be worried.

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    We should call it the Good Initiative

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Well well well, if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago

    ICE officials worried citizens may treat them the same way they treat people. Welcome to bizarro land.

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    Well yeah that's kind of how rules and laws are supposed to work.

    That's kind of the entire purpose of having a system of government. If a government doesn't exist to protect the people who pay for it, what's the point of it even existing?

    Pretty sure the people intentionally destroying the U.S. are aware of that, but it's always kind of a head scratcher to learn the people that are carrying out their orders have been so busy goose-stepping and commiting crimes on their behalf, they haven't really picked up on it.

    I'm really not sure why I have to explain to other adults that we all benefit as a society from a system that promotes equality and protects the majority from harm and exploitation.

    When you help these people in their never ending war on equality, you're helping to further cement a system of government that enables exploitation and removes any expectation of protection for the majority.

    That is what you're working towards on behalf of a billionaire class. A world where they're protected by the system, but we're all expendable, including you. That is what people mean when they call you class traitors. If that term offends you it's probably because you're not understanding or recognizing your own exploitation.

    You've handed over civil rights and civil liberties for the "freedom" to participate in a caste system which protects an overclass you will never be part of. Your sole purpose in the system is to help keep them propped up above the rest of society by enforcing their rules and acting as cannon fodder that serves to insulate them from the rest of the masses.

    Mudsill theory is the proposition that there must be, and always has been, a lower class or underclass for the upper classes and the rest of society to rest upon. The term derives from a mudsill, the lowest threshold that supports the foundation for a building. The theory was first articulated by James H. Hammond, a Democratic United States senator from South Carolina and a wealthy Southern plantation owner, in a speech on March 4, 1858. Hammond argued that every society must find a class of people to do menial labor, whether called slaves or not, and that assigning that status on a racial basis followed natural law, while the Northern United States' social class of white wage laborers presented a revolutionary threat. Mudsill theory and similar rhetoric has been dubbed "the Marxism of the Master-Class" which fought for the rights of the propertied elite against what were perceived as threats from the abolitionists, lower classes and non-whites to gain higher standards of living

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    The thing is, they view it as a fair trade to support that in exchange for the opportunity to be a part of that system. They might not be the galactic emperor, but they don't seem to mind being a stormtrooper. Everyone else is just peasants and rebel scum in their eyes.

    To them, they're high enough on the social hierarchy to have plenty of people to look down on, and that's all they need to feel better about themselves.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    True, but they shouldn't act so surprised when they find themselves thrown under the bus. They probably always will, but again, it's because they're too ignorant to recognize their own exploitation.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago

    Yes every ice/police vehicle is considered hostile.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    This may be satire but it does really capture that casual assumption they seem to share that everyone else has the same lust for violence that they do. Most people have to be pushed pretty far to even consider violence, especially lethal violence. For them it seems like every conflict is an opportunity to violently escalate and prove their strength.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Knowing nothing about this outlet this seems more like wish casting than satire tbh. It's just not absurd enough to be joking, other than the idea that top ICE officials would be worried about consequences.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago*

    I just signed up for a basic self defense class. I figure the chances of an honest to God civil war breaking out have now risen into whole numbers. Thanks, assholes.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago

    Hey, only we're allowed to use that excuse! -cops

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    That's exactly what should be happening regardless.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    GOOD!

    Every American should get a gun right now just to make them afraid.

    Don’t advertise on social media, just buy it.

    Store it disassembled, but get some ammo. This way you can put it back together but they can’t claim you were armed if they come in with a no-knock warrant. Kinda hard if your pistol is in 17 separate bits in a locked case.

    What this will do is show statistics of gun ownership go up in blue states.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    I tell people as often as I can, especially my trans and bipoc friends; now is the time. Get a couple guns (a long one and a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic first aid, you really just need to know how to stabilize someone. Start networking with like-minded people in your communities. The police will not protect us, they’ve proven they’ll happily club senior citizens to the ground and shoot any protesters in the face with rubber bullets while escorting a rightwing murderer to safety. Iran was a secular, liberal state until almost 1980 when they (mostly legitimately) elected an Islamist theocracy; it could happen here.

    Our current situation really is the culmination of almost 70 years of rightwing efforts. It’s a long listen but worth checking out How Conservatism Won by Robert Evans. He lays out in a clear concise way “how a consortium of rich failsons got together to fund a network of right wing think tanks and shift American culture in a fun new direction. (note: it was not actually fun at all).” They’ve been very successful and those think tanks are now pipelines used to funnel ideological purists into powerful positions like our current Supreme Court.

    The shadowy cabals the rightwing says are behind everything is classic projection again, they're controlled by shadowy cabals of rich people. One of the primary ghouls/traitors responsible for the attempted overthrow of our government on J6 was Roger Stone, the same traitorous ratfucker who began his career working for Nixon and has a fucking Nixon tattoo on his back. It's really impossible to overstate how bad these people are and they're winning.

    The coup was successful, they're in power and if they don't want to give it up they won't.

    Get to know people in your community. Take an interest in growing food, learn how to fix things. Establish secondary lines of communication and start preparing.

    https://www.dsausa.org/

    https://mutualaiddisasterrelief.org/

    https://socialistra.org/

    https://generalstrikeus.com/

    https://afsc.org/news/how-create-mutual-aid-network

    https://www.immigrantdefenseproject.org/raids/

    https://mutualaidhub.org/

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    Store it disassembled, but get some ammo. This way you can put it back together but they can’t claim you were armed if they come in with a no-knock warrant. Kinda hard if your pistol is in 17 separate bits in a locked case.

    Yeah don't give them the pretext for what were already doing...

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Store it disassembled, but get some ammo. This way you can put it back together but they can’t claim you were armed if they come in with a no-knock warrant. Kinda hard if your pistol is in 17 separate bits in a locked case.

    If they shoot someone raiding a house I don't know if there would be a trial at this point though. I'm not saying you should do some solo stand-your-ground thing and get yourself killed, but it doesn't seem like it would make a difference if you even owned a gun or not as far as their legal justification, even if there was a trial they could say they feared for their life. Police have shot people sleeping in bed and gotten away with it.

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago*

    Your constitution means nothing it seems people in power wipe their arses with it and citizens barely defend it handing over more and more freedoms every year. Ice clearly isn't about that they sold it to you as.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    #nottheonion ?

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    Nazi Punks Fuck Off.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    Ah yes, the totally unpredictable consequences of one's incredibly stupid actions.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    I can't see how any reasonable jury would convict.

    That's either a violent thug that believes they cannot be held accountable for anything they do. Or it's someone PRETENDING to be that ICE agent and hoping to benefit from that same lack of accountability. In either case, your life is at risk if you let them get close.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    Turns out abusing power and oppression law abiding citizens claiming they have no rights has consequences. Who would have thought.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    Good fuck em

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  • [–] 32 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    I seriously doubt you're making it to the jury stage of the trial if you open fire on police

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (3 children)
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    Renee Good didn't open fire on police and still didn't make it to a jury trial. When unarmed, peaceful people are executed as though they're violent protesters, there's no longer any real reason to be unarmed, peaceful people.

    This federal government wants people to open fire on police. This would justify a further police state, martial law, and cancelling the midterm elections that they're definitely on pace to lose disastrously. Natural causes is taking its sweet time, but even if it weren't I don't think the next guy would change a thing unless his owners told him to.

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Protesters also don’t deserve to be executed

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Agreed, but they'll try to argue that violent protesters could kill thousands of innocent people, so killing them is the morally right thing to do. Here, they're arguing that Renee Good was a domestic terrorist that was using her vehicle as a weapon to try to kill the ICE guy, even though it's blatantly obvious that that's not what was happening in the slightest.

    I'm just saying that they're escalating. They're hoping that people either stay home because they're afraid of being executed just for being outside, or retaliate and permit them to escalate further. And even an extreme retaliation will not eradicate the fascism, so I'm not sure what the right move is now that we're at this point.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    They will escalate regardless of what we do. They already have been.

    How's work?
    They got us shooting women now
    How's the pay?
    Well there's a bonus if you're wanting in
    How's the hours?
    We shoot them in the daylight
    And then we steal them away in the dark of the night

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    If you want to live, I'd recommend it. Arm yourselves before you can't.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    What do bottom ICE officials have to say?

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