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[–] 28 points 10 months ago (1 child)

My daughter dates a rich nepo baby. He loves Trump because he's made a lot of money. Fascism is great for the rich.

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I didn't realise Revd Dr. Robert Evans had moved onto the more palatable title of Ronald Reagan III.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    Yeah nobody wanted her but under her it at least world have been more.of the same boring bullshit, not this end times bullshit

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  • [–] 75 points 10 months ago (16 children)

    Biden should've dropped out sooner. The DNC should've had an election. Absolute refusal of any responsibility will only ensure nothing changes.

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  • [–] 30 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    There's a pivotal moment that could've changed history (on this front).

    In Biden's final State of the Union address, there were rumors circulating about his mental deterioration. A lot of insiders were reporting similar experiences. These were often dismissed, because they sound exactly like attacks from his opponents, particularly on the right.

    Then the address happened. Biden was entirely present. He was passionate, he was articulate. He showed no signs of what people were claiming. Clearly, he had a very good day. The criticisms and reports stopped, although he skipped a number of traditional public appearances.

    Fast forward a few months to the debate, and he had a bad night. Everything that people had been warning about, was on full display. To make it worse, Trump's dementia was having a good day.

    What would've happened if the SOTU had happened on a bad day?

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Why do people forget that Biden told everyone he would be a one term/transitional President during his campaign. If theres a moment, then its the moment Joe Biden decided to go against his own pre-Presidential calculations and try to hold onto power for a second term.

    Justifications aside, he should have allowed the democratic process to follow through naturally (as much as is possible in that byzantine system). And fully supported the Democratic party's choice as an elder Statesman and soon to be Presidential Alumni who qould be remembered for his commitment to democracy over power, rather than power over democracy.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    People forget because Biden made his one term promise in an extremely dishonest and slimy way. He never actually explicitly promised to be a one term president. Instead, his campaign organized a large series of representatives to go out and imply that he would be a one term president. He got a bunch of Democratic big wigs to go around telling people that he would only run for one term. His campaign organized all of this messaging, but he himself never made the promise with his own lips.

    It wasn't just a mistake, it was a deliberate deception. He lied to the American people. He just crafted his lie carefully to provide plausible deniability later. Sure, there were tons of people, on his orders, saying that he would be a one term president. But he never actually promised to drop out after one term!

    He's a slime ball.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Thats the uncharitable reading and the link discusses that.

    My opinion. If they thought it would sell, then they knew it was an acceptable option. Biden's decision not to understand the wisdom of a one term presidency was his failure. So it doesn't matter whether he planned to be a one termer or not, the option was in the frame. Therefore it was a real option he had, whether he took it seriously or not is all to his failing.

    The answer to why he wouldn't commit to it early is given in the linked article. If he had he would be a lame duck from the outset. Politics is about timing, a confirmation of a one term presidency at a normal time would have been the correct action. So from what I gather about the process, that would've been about a year out from the end of term.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    If he had he would be a lame duck from the outset.

    This is a bone headed take. A lame duck is not a lame duck simply because they're not running again. They're a lame duck because they're unpopular and politically irrelevant. If he had declared to be a one-term president, he could have spent his term building up a bench of potential candidates for 2024. He still would have had great power, influence, and the bully pulpit, even if he wasn't running again. He wouldn't be an individual, he would be part of a team. And that team is what would allow continuity and the prevention of a lame duck term.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Lame duck isn't a popularity contest.

    Your suggestions of what he could have done are all what a Lame Duck could get through, so i think you'rethinking a Lame Duck presidency is more useless than it is.

    Its the big policies, like that Inflation Reduction Act, or Jan 6 commission, that would have been much harder to even get started. I know, I know, so much for those.

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago

    Trump's dementia wasn't having a good day. He said his normal amount of stupid and incoherent things. We had accepted this from him as the dumb, angry, incoherent candidate. But when the smart, mostly articulate candidate had a performance that blew Trump's normal incoherence out of the water, it was too much to ignore.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Fast forward a few months to the debate, and he had a bad night. Everything that people had been warning about, was on full display. To make it worse, Trump’s dementia was having a good day.

    How insane is it for this to actually be part of the discourse? About which candidate's dementia was acting up more than the other's on a given day?

    The quoted bit above would give even a hypothetical outside party with no prior knowledge or experience of what's happened since, a pregnant pause followed by some variant of "what the fuck?"

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago

    The Democratic Party is not coming to save us.

    No one is coming to save us.

    We can be saved only by doing the work to take care of each other, to protect each other, and to relate to each other as members of community.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Real talk: let's say Democrats actually went, "Ah shucks we failed and it was our responsibility." Would that really change anything?

    I'm tired man. I don't care for apologies. I don't care for hour long speeches. Trump bullies his way through to get what he wants.

    Mamdani (NY mayor) is taking action.

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  • If it got them to stop running further to the right? Yes.

    They're all in on the strategy of being less bad than their opponents, a strategy guaranteed to either not win elections, or win only a single term while letting fascists get stronger. Mamdani won despite their efforts, and until they embrace more people like him everywhere, things will only get worse.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    But didn't you hear? He's not left enough according to the same people who told you not to vote for Harris

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    Robert is still on twitler?

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Hey let's not forget that Musk and Trump and others have all but admitted to stealing the election with voter machine fraud.

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    [–] 93 points 10 months ago (67 children)

    In before Whataboutism comments stating things Harris would have done equally or worse to excuse not preventing Trump during the election.

    But let's be clear: if you didn't prevent Trump during the election you are accountable for what is happening now.

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  • [–] 38 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    And the administration that didn’t put a single one of these people in jail? Even after the fascists released a document that was basically titled “We’re Gonna Do a Fascism in 2025”?

    Might that administration be… a little more accountable than the voters they failed to convince?

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  • [–] 55 points 10 months ago (42 children)

    Harris would have prevented Trump if she actually ran a campaign in line with her voters values.

    I choose to blame the ones that are actually in charge of the party. Blaming nameless voters is scapegoating. The party needs to change, we need to demand it instead of giving them an easy excuse.

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (10 children)

    It was literally Hitler or not Hitler. That should've been the only campaign they needed to run. We all saw what happened during his first term and we all knew what he was planning for his second.

    That should've been all the information needed and anyone who ignored that information is directly to blame for all of this.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    It should have been that, but Harris was campaigning heavily to the center and the center leaning right.

    Fuck, they basically muzzled Tim Walz during the campaign. Did you notice how he was no longer allowed to call MAGA weird? I sure did.

    Then there was the fact that Harris had to run on Biden's full platform. I know that she personally disagreed with parts, the unpopular parts. She was never really allowed to say it during the campaign.

    But really, I mostly blame that little shit Crooks, you either get it right, or you don't do it at all. Trump used that survival to galvanize his base, and that's what an election needs to be in this divided world. Don't worry about the other side. We live in different realities and, they don't often intersect. You have to focus completely on your own base as much as possible. They're the one who will actually vote, if you can get them to care enough to do so.

    Harris didn't do that. And that's why she lost.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    She lost because not enough people voted for her. How people interpreted her vibe or whatever is secondary.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Not enough people voted for her, because of how people interpreted her vibe. That's the point. You campaign to your base, or not at all.

    Never try to reach across the aisle, it doesn't work and drives away the base.

    Look at the progressive candidates that have recently won by landslides. They campaigned to the base.

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    You mean the mayors of solid-blue large cities?

    Yeah that was exciting but that’s not going to sell in Boise.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Progressives are consistently more popular in red states than centrist Democrats. I'm living in a deep red state in a rural area and have all my life. I talk to mouth-foaming reactionaries on a regular basis. The difference in our conversations about people like Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and Kamala Harris versus people like Bernie Sanders, Zohran Mamdani, and AOC is extremely stark. They never have anything good to say about the former, but always preface their disapproval of the latter with "I agree with some of the stuff they say about [insert progressive policy proposal here], but I don't think it's realistic / I don't agree on their 'woke' stuff."

    The centrist strategy of abandoning one's own values to reach across the aisle to them comes across to conservatives as dishonest and shady (and they're not wrong). They begrudgingly respect the progressive left for being uncompromising in their worldview, even if they disagree with it, and once you have someone's respect they are more likely to meaningfully engage with your arguments. That's how you change minds, and I've watched it happen on multiple occasions.

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Yup, and they literally still fucked it up lol

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    it was rigged against her, the voter machines have been found to have been manipulated through starlink, plus many red states stopped counting the moment they were in the lead. the DNC wernt willing to fight fraud at all, it makes them spinelesa nd complicit.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago* (14 children)

    It's not scapegoating to state the simple fact that when people make a choice, they are responsible for it. Like the millions who voted for Trump, Stein, or stayed the fuck home. You can blame shitty campaigns too but I'm sick and tired of hearing how the voters are fucking blameless. Fuck that. Trump wouldn't have ever even been on the ballot if our populace wasn't dumber than a fucking brick. I am going to blame these dipshits and evil fucks for their actions and I absolutely should blame them.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    It's not scapegoating to state the simple fact that when people make a choice, they are responsible for it.

    Like letting off your war criminals and putting them on pedestals? Seems like an snowball effect to allow your presidents to do anything they please?

    Seems like you're more responsible than you think for the state of things.

    Try to make your presidents liable for their actions next time so you don't have to whine about it on the internet when you don't get your way?

    We're sick and tired of it too.

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  • [+] -7 points 10 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    It's not whataboutism to detail the list of failures from democrats that built the current situation we are in. They are weak party that offers little and provides less, and they fail to win much of anything because of it.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    It is always whataboutism to try to shift the conversation to something you think you can argue for more easily.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Definitionally, talking about two causally linked things is not whataboutism. You could argue it's shifting blame, and I would still disagree, but at least it would be coherent.

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Oh well, since I have something to prove to you and the thread doesn't speak for itself I will now spend 30 minutes arguing with you about it. Oh wait it's not 2019 anymore.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    It is a bit academic at this point. I just hoped that liberals contend with the reality that you have to align with your voters, rather than always trying to set blame on the millions that stay politically disaffected.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I feel like people blaming Harris, and those blaming the voters are talking past each other, and it isn't at all productive. Just like China and the USA can both be bad, it isn't an either/or situation.

    I understand the frustration from both sides, and I'm also angry at all the dipshits who advocated for non-voting or voting third party in the face of obvious fascism, but I'm sick of seeing this same damn slap fight in every post. We should be focusing on the future, not bickering about the past. If we're going to build a coalition to defeat fascism—which is desperately needed—we can't spend our energy relitigating electoral failures, and castigating the disaffected.

    Yes, Harris was a flawed candidate, running a misguided campaign. Yes, the people who didn't vote for her are responsible for our current situation. We have to move on to what we're going to do now.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Yep which is why we need to stop hearing about Harris.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I agree, and my comment probably ought to have been directed at OP. I just see you around a lot, and while I obviously empathize with your frustration, I think this line of argument is counterproductive.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Why do you punch down instead of punching up?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    You are clueless. And you literally commented about 20 times after this so far. Latest of which is you lying your ass off and pretending Harris would be doing basically the same shit as trump with ice. Laughably false. Go away.

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  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    if she actually ran a campaign in line with her voters values.

    Yes. She was impure. Therefore we had to cast her out.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I won't pat someone on the back who willingly covered themselves in filth and drove everyone away.

    How hard is it to just tell Israel to fuck off. They couldn't even pretend for a few months. Not to mention everything else (billionaires, healthcare, etc). Their whole campaign was basically a shrug with a trite "well what else are you going to do, we are all you have suckers".

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  • [+] -8 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Sorry they didn't tune the entirety of their election platform to your personal view of the world.

    Anyway, you got what you wanted, why are you still bitching over a year later?

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    I wanted anyone but Trump, that's why I still voted for Harris. I didn't get what I wanted because supporting genocide and the 1% was more important to her and her party then what I wanted.

    It's also telling the language you use. Being against genocide is just a personal view that can be ignored? I guess with you being pro-Israel, the entire election was a win-win situation for you.

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  • [+] -6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Sure comrade, I’m all for genocide. Your dumbass mod is spot on.

    FFS.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    You are the one rabidly defending a few who pushed it knowing it was deeply unpopular, even while knowing Trump was to be the consequence.

    They fucked you too you know, they fucked all of us for a foreign genocidal state. Although I'm not sure if it's all that foreign to you.

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  • [+] -7 points 10 months ago

    I’m rabidly defending the unconscionably simple point that the country of the United States would be in a 1000% better position if the fuckwit MAGAts and the holier-than-thou left could have shut their whine holes for six weeks and made the ultimate sacrifice to vote for Harris.

    You “claim” you did, yet here you are continuing to shit on her campaign a year later for what can only be described as rabidly pro-trump reasons. You stand against “they” who “never condemned but actively encouraged” genocide (a provenly blatant lie) so much so that you lent all your public effort to the candidate guaranteed to pour huge amounts of gasoline on the fire.

    Congratulations, your genocide is worse now than ever before and the end that is in sight - is the end of Gaza. Well done, you and the Wankshevics of Local 419 have done The Cause proud by narrowly focusing on the wrong thing so intently. So much so that you’re still out here now barking about it. Brilliant.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    So you'd rather pave the way for the beacon or purity that is... Trump?

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago

    I mean, he is honest....

    He posted with a Bible, so that is rule 1 completed.

    He doesn't make idols, he is one and is made in the image of god, so good enough. (Rule 2)

    I don't think he can remember the name of the lord so that is rule 3.

    Rule 4 is every day for him I think.

    Rule 5: how better to honor a POS father than being a bigger POS?

    Rule 6: He hasn't killed anybody. (Personally)

    Rule 7 is a tough one

    Rule 8: Technically he is not stealing. If you make the rules you can just say you didn't break them.

    Rule 9: The white house is fairly sparse on neighbors so I will give this one a pass.

    Rule 10: This is also a tough one, but I will go with that his brain is so mushy at that point that it is impossible for him to covet something.

    /s of course for whoever needs it.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago

    Your attitude is exactly the one that has brought us to the rise of Mein Orangutan, of demanding no more than whatever seems slightly more favorable than the worst case possible.

    Advancing conditions for the base of the population would depend on much more than simply voting in national elections for the Democratic Party. In fact, it requires looking beyond the two-party machine, by organizing local campaigns, worker unions, and direct action.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (19 children)

    assigning blame is one thing and i dont think it matters at this point tbh but anyone who is firmly in the both parties/candidates are the same isnt fully there mentally. They can both be bad mind you but bad and fuck-off-terrible-WWIII-ARMAGEDDON are not the same MO.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (18 children)

    People who support genocide are there mentally?

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (17 children)

    Definitely not but not condemning hard enough and actively getting a boner while thinking about all the nice real estate that is gonna be freed up after killing and displacing everyone is still different. I would just like to identify the lesser evil, choose the lesser evil, get the lesser evil and then criticize it and fight it until we can get an even lesser evil. Do that a few times and u might eventually arrive at something worth being called good.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (16 children)

    If Trump was doing it for real estate, what was Biden doing it for? Money? Blackmail? Just for fun?

    not condemning hard enough

    Fyi, they weren't condemning them at all, not even a little. They actively enabled.

    Is excusing and shrugging off genocide the lesser evil for you right now? How hard is it to say that the dems were in the wrong? They literally need to hear it and loudly.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    Fyi, they weren't condemning them at all, not even a little. They actively enabled.

    This is a complete lie. If you're not aware of it, you're an idiot. But you're not an idiot, are you. You know very well you're telling a gross lie to advance your narrative.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (14 children)

    They funded it and sent weapons while it was happening. They never once condemned it.

    For anyone wondering, Optional already has had many comment removed for genocide denial. He is actively on the side of Israel.

    Edit: They did condemn it, I guess it was hard to hear over all the weapon packages they were sending at the same time, and all the "Israel has a right to defend itself". Good thing optional had a list of links ready.

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    Seems kind of hollow when one of his last actions as president was to send them 8 billion dollars worth of weapons.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/biden-administration-notifies-congress-of-planned-8-billion-weapons-sale-to-israel

    January 4th 2025, that was what he was worried about. What a joke.

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  • [+] -6 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    I accept your apology for lying that “they” never once condemned Israel’s actions and agree that politics should be super duper simple such that any random person trained as a nurse, plumber, sysadmin, or botanist could successfully lead nations with no further education. For some reason “they” won’t tell us about that doesn’t seem to be the case.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    You don't need to be a plumber to know that helping kill civilians is a bad way to win an election.

    Are you ready to dispute the fact that they sent billions of dollars worth of missiles while the genocide was going on?

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    You don't need to be a plumber to know that helping kill civilians is a bad way to win an election.

    You understand that’s what trump ran on and won with, right? So, wrong again I guess?

    Since you’re so desperate to buy you own fetid bullshit about what some dipshit rando believes; NO i didn’t approve of the sale of offensive weapons to Israel and yes it was dead stupid of Biden to live in the 1980’s and for Harris to not disavow that position loudly.

    Okay? So fuck your genocide support and tell your hero mod to bite my shiny metal ass.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    NO i didn’t approve of the sale of offensive weapons to Israel and yes it was dead stupid of Biden to live in the 1980’s and for Harris to not disavow that position loudly.

    If you know it's their fault, why pivot the blame to others. Why defend them everytime. They won't change if they don't have to, you are enabling them.

    Trump didn't deserve to win and we don't deserve to have him up there, but I'm not going to applaud the idiots who tried their hardest to lose. Being not as bad doesn't cut it anymore, they need to be good enough to win. They need to do better and I plan on holding them to it (at least in spirit) instead of pointing fingers at everyone else.

    I see blaming voters as class warfare tbh. It's like massive companies telling us the foreign workers are to blame instead of the ones making the decisions.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I just see it differently. I’ll argue the former point after the election, but in the end not doing everything possible to defeat trump is an outrageous dereliction of duty. Your one-issue campaign is not the most important one, polling-wise, though it is the most important one in these kinds of threads.

    So no I don’t blame them for running a flawed campaign - they’re all flawed. I do blame the shithouse rats that crawl out here to pretend only they know how a national campaign and administration (and foreign policy) works. Because that’s not only stupid bullshit, it actively hurts the outcome, and it’s stupid bullshit.

    And we’ll see it again in September. Watch. The so-called-left here will be out with bullshit reasons why we shouldn’t vote for Democrats in the midterms and then immediately pivot to how Democrats never get any legislation passed. It’s fucking idiocy in full force.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago

    No, but seriously though. I too was here to watch it all unfold.

    First it was “Biden too old” and they were right.

    Then it was “Kamala is just the same as Biden!” Completely ignoring the whole website she had up that went over HER platform.

    Just assholes who are helping stir the flames for some weird ass reason.

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    The so-called-left here will be out with bullshit reasons why we shouldn’t vote for Democrats in the midterms and then immediately pivot to how Democrats never get any legislation passed. It’s fucking idiocy in full force.

    So true. I thought they'd give it a rest when Kamala took over the campaign, but then it was all about how Kamala was equal to Biden all along.

    When I saw this obvious and very simply and strongly true meme, I thought "I bet the comments will be full of the most aggregious tankie crap about how the Democrats are 100% the same as the Republicans" and I was not wrong.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    All of this was empty words, Biden was clearly a firm Zionist and it made him willfully blind to the Palestinian Genocide to the point that he would only scold Netanyahu, not do anything to stop it.

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  • [+] -7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Okay? So you love trump. Good for you. Now get out there and help DOGE destroy the government you rascally leftist you. Oh, uh, and while you're meeting with your heroes trump and Steven Miller maybe get them to stop selling Israel weapons etc etc since you claim that matters to you so much.

    Unless that’s just a pose and what you really want is to help defeat Democrats for any reason you can think of. I hear they let some guy run who’s like, a Christian, or some shit. Use that one next time.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    But let’s be clear: if you didn’t prevent Trump during the election you are accountable for what is happening now.

    Voting for Kamala would just delay the fascism by another 4 years of regular neoliberal decay and less overt imperialist genocide. I mean, I'd have voted for her too if I was in the US, but blaming people who didn't vote hard enough is counterproductive.

    You can't shame people into choosing the lesser evil neoliberalism again. And even if you did (kinda like what happened in 2020), it will just enable the dems to become even worse, because it shows them that they can win by pointing at trump, while increasingly doing the same shit he's doing (because it's ultimately beneficial for their donors).

    You need to build something which is not owned by the billionaires, which actually inspires people by promising and building real solutions, showing real improvements in their quality of life, and then they will show up.

    If you aren't part of PSL or some other socialist/communist/anarchist org trying to dismantle the oligarchy, you are not part of the solution. This is not to say you are to blame, the blame lies squarely on the ruling class deciding that fascism is worth it because it will increase the rate of profit, everything else be damned.

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  • [+] -7 points 10 months ago

    But we're so pure and true and intelligent, it is absolutely our mandate to prevent progress in America by disrupting voting for Democrats or any progressive candidate!

    Just because that always and inevitably leads us to the kind of gunfire turdcircus we've got again is not our fault at all! They caused it themselves by being insufficiently pure and true!

    Bourgeoise!!! Stalin did nothing wrong!

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago*

    If Harris had won (and I'm not convinced she didn't) the RepubliKKKans would have continued to successfully bang their same old tired drum to the beats of their biggest hits - racism, xenophobia, homophobia, trans phobia, misogyny, fear in general, scary woke nonsense, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, and the carrot on a stick forever promising to make things better for the middle class while actually trying to eliminate them. It's painful af to live through but they have to self-destruct. And it's happening. Now.

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