"It's not about drugs. If it was, Trump wouldn't have pardoned one of the largest narco traffickers in the world last month. It's about oil and regime change. And they need a trial now to pretend that it isn't. Especially to distract from Epstein + skyrocketing healthcare costs," she claimed in a social media publication.

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[–] 244 points 10 months ago* (17 children)

Yes Trump literally said in his speech that's what it's about, they're not even trying to hide it anymore.

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  • [–] 86 points 10 months ago (14 children)

    Shit, pretty sure he's on tape telling Netentyahu, that starting a war to cancel elections is a great idea that he wants to do.

    He wants a regime change eventually, and so does the money behind him.

    But what trump wants more, is anything that will cancel midterms and last long enough to cancel the next presidential too.

    That's why he's doing this, holding onto political power is the golden goose. Not even trump is dumb enough to kill and eat the goose. As we get closer to elections, we'll see him pass on money if it means holding onto power longer. But if midterms happen and he loses the House, that's a lot of lost power, which means less money from bribes/grifts.

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  • [–] 60 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Shit, pretty sure he’s on tape telling Netentyahu, that starting a war to cancel elections is a great idea that he wants to do.

    But what trump wants more, is anything that will cancel midterms and last long enough to cancel the next presidential too.

    The craziest and saddiest part of this theory most people were alive when the US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. Those elections were never cancelled.

    If the US does proceed with a full on invastion of Venezuela. Trumpie tells everyone that the elections has to be cancelled. There is a going to be sizeable part of the population that is going "Yeah, cancelling the elections during a war makes sense". Even though most of them were alive during the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Eh.

    Cancelling elections would be the precipitator to get a 1/6 type of thing, except this time against trump. Not to mention the few high ranking military who didn't resign, have already shown their not cowards.

    trump assumes everyone against him left, but the only people who left were cowards who didn't deserve to put a uniform on

    Anyone that's not with trump and stayed, will likely see cancelled elections as the last opportunity to act. It won't be fun, but that's less a line in sand, and more the foundation this country was built on.

    I really don't see even his biggest supporters defending cancelled elections. Especially with how much worse things are gonna be by even midterms

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    He's not going to cancel elections. He doesn't need to do it. He can delay results claiming fraud or not even that, just ignore the Congress.

    And maybe he won't even need to do that. Just purge voters, strict voting laws enforcement, gerrymandering, just plain voter fraud.

    And maybe he won't even need to do that, because republicans may still keep both houses without any fraudulent activity. Yes. There is a good chance that happens. You maybe read of a few disappointed voters, but most people are still 100% maga.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    You maybe read of a few disappointed voters, but most people are still 100% maga.

    Weird to remind people of this, but real life still exists bro...

    And wherever you're reading about what they think, I bet a billionaire owns it.

    Why do you only find out about them thru billionaires?

    You do realize the billionaires don't give a fuck about either group, and have been putting us against each other for generations and doing everything possible to segregate us?

    Like, these all feel like very basic questions, and I'm probably coming off condescendingly, but there's some very important things we need to clear up here, and it seems like we need to start at a basic level.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Magats are composed of 2 groups of people. Morons and scumbags. That's it. Nothing else. And they're are all over social media praising their orange shitler.

    They won't catch on till they end up like the VnJ in Nazi Germany in the 30s.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    There's no provision in US law for suspension of elections. No matter what we hold elections. Now they'll certainly be ratfucked to hell and back but any suspension of elections will be totally illegal.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Problem is, it wouldn't be the first thing that it totally and obviously illegal, that still gets done with 0 conequenses for the fascist.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I don’t think even MAGA lets him get away with that. This is America and we have elections! We fuckin don’t vote in them but we have em, god dammit

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago*

    Well if you’re a fascist who doesn’t care about blending of the state with capital then it’s a pretty strong argument.

    They did sign contracts, let American companies build a bunch of infrastructure, then seized it at gunpoint.

    Iran, Iraq, etc done similar things, but Venezuela is pretty unique in that it lost the international legal cases and still refused to pay retribution.

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  • [–] 44 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    “Slams” omg this needs to stop. “AOC says the Truth Out loud.”

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago

    Even trump, for once, said the truth out loud

    We're going to have our very large United States oil companies (...) go in, spend billions of dollars, fix the badly broken infrastructure, the oil infrastructure (...) Let's start making money

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  • [–] 72 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    It's not just about oil, its about sour crude oil.

    USA is an oil exporter. Why does it need more oil? The answer is, it doesn't. But US oil companies need sour crude oil for their refineries, built during the 70's and 80's to refine exactly the kind of oil produced in Venezuela. Not designed to refine the shale oil produced in the fracking boom.

    It's all about the oil companies margins, and it will be paid for in American and Venezuelan blood. Because why pay to refit your refineries when human lives and presidencies are so cheap?

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Is sour crude oil only a little sour, or like… really sour?

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  • [–] 94 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    As always, she is absolutely right.

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  • [–] 60 points 10 months ago

    AOC is completely right.

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago

    You Should Know: The "Cartel de las Soles" isn't actually a real cartel.

    See, the Venezuelan military uses a sun insignia for generals, where the US military uses a star. A journalist invented the term in 1993 to talk about corruption in the Venezuelan military. Get it? All the members of this "cartel" wear suns. But, it's not a real cartel. Not everybody who wears a sun (i.e. is a general) is necessarily involved in crimes, and those that are aren't necessarily working together.

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  • [–] 93 points 10 months ago (19 children)

    Funniest part was Russia denouncing unprovoked US actions.

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  • [–] 49 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    A special military operation to overthrow a government that takes less than 3 days, only a few hours to be precise..... Must be hard to see others achieve that when you are not even close to that at day nr. 1,409.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    This reminds me of Bush standing on an aircraft carrier with a "Mission Accomplished" banner behind him. Trump says he's gonna run Venezuela and seize their oil. The violence is only just beginning.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    So Putin's starting to turn against the US?

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    If I was a conspiracy theorist I might think that Putin was in on this, ie: Venezuela's VP in Russia at the exact same time Trump attacks -- and her brother, the head of the national assembly, is supposedly in Caracas but hasn't been seen since the attack.

    I'd be very surprised if either one makes it out of this alive.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    I would expect the VP to be set up as a puppet leader, with her brother as a hostage to force her cooperation.

    Edit: Looks like she might not be cooperating.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Have you ever seen someone pull a trailer using bungee cords, or use a bare wire in an electrical socket, or use a power tool without any safety gear? It's frustrating if they get away with it, and as a result learn that what they did was a good idea.

    What's really awful about this Venezuela operation is that the initial phase of it actually went just fine. No American soldiers were killed, Maduro was captured alive and uninjured, and so on. It was an incredibly stupid and reckless thing to do. But, for the moment, everything went as well as the Department of War could hope. It will probably have bad long-term diplomatic consequences, but those aren't visible yet. If there's a phase 2 of this "war", it's probably going to have unseen issues. For the moment though, they got away with it.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    What about the Venezuelan casualties? I would not want to be within 500 m of those explosions. If the shrapnel does not get you, the shockwave will tear apart your diaphragm.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Those matter to normal humans, but not his MAGA base. If an American soldier had been killed in this operation, they would have been against it. But, because the only people killed were Venezuelans, they probably support what he did.

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  • [–] 38 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Do people criticizing AOC have any idea how limited a house members direct power is. The most impactful thing she can do from her seat on a regular basis is normalize the contempt. She’s not even a senator ffs. I really hope we’re able to rally against the hateful bigots. This country is a mess and full of dumbass tools blissfully ignorant to reality in every corner.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    Yeah like, I'll friggin take it, all the power to that fierce woman! Maybe she can't directly fix everything, but you're right, people discount the fact that her outspoken truth to power can embolden dissent.

    Eventually that fury has the power to change minds, and some of those minds can directly do something about this. (Especially if their constituents pressure them enough and don't give them any wiggle room.)

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    I think most of us realize that she is a token FDR New Deal Democrat, with no actual power. She's like a release valve for citizens to cheer for. SHE GETS IT, etc.

    There are always a few, they provide cover for big money leadership like Schumer (who is NOT a new deal democrat, he's like a 90s Republican)

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    It's not even regime change, the old Maduro supporting regime is still running the show. The VP was on a visit in Russia when this happened.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Russia

    I find it interesting that they are very weak in a traditional military sense, but their intelligence, posturing and political power is stupidly effective.

    It’s like they learned that information is the new warfare and trained on that while letting their traditional forces fall apart.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    After USSR they realized they have no chance militarily, so all their work is concentrated on disinformation, sabotage and subversion.

    Military was only meant to be used specifically to seal the deal once the main work was done.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    they are very weak in a traditional military sense

    They're in a multi-year proxy war with NATO and gaining ground. Can't imagine why anyone would call that "weak" compared to, say, Iraq '03 or Serbia '99, where the countries were overrun in a matter of months.

    their intelligence, posturing and political power is stupidly effective.

    A lot of it is the USSR's anti-colonialist legacy. Russia inherited enormous goodwill from it's historical geopolitical allies. And - as a trillion $/year economy with advanced technology and infrastructure - they have a lot of carrots to throw around, as well as sticks. Idk if that can last, given their increased isolation and economic contracting, but it's been enough to coast on for decades

    And with the US banging on Venezuela's door, they're a logical Realpolitik partner. Enemy of my enemy.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I say they’re weak because it is a proxy war. They’re going all out, while NATO powers are tangentially supplying Ukraine. If it was a direct NATO intervention, it would not be going nearly as well for them. They thought they would be in and out in 3 days, we’re approaching 4 years and it has greatly exposed how dilapidated their military infrastructure is.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    They’re going all out, while NATO powers are tangentially supplying Ukraine.

    The EU is plowing hundreds of billions into the fight while their domestic economies sag. Meanwhile, Russia aligned far right parties - AfD, National Rally, Reform UK - are surging across the continent.

    They thought they would be in and out in 3 days, we’re approaching 4 years

    The story of every war in history.

    But then I've heard the NAFO heads that Ukraine would have recaptured Crimea by now. And that Putin would be arrested/killed. And Navalny would be running the country as its rightfully elected president.

    All that was supposed to happen before Biden's midterms.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Stalemated boondoggles are the point, and Russia is probably the most well equipped to satiate the industry with military surplus and bodies. They don't need to be conventionally arms racing in this economy. No nuclear power really has to.

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  • [–] 43 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Anyone else getting sick of the word "slams" in headlines? She posted online on social media. Yes she's right but this "slams" thing is really getting old.

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    [–] 14 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    It's even better.

    Trump already stabbed the Venezuelan people in the back.

    They are working with the vice president, meaning this has nothing to do with liberation. Nothing. Simply control of resources, nothing else.

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    Yes, the same one who was part of all the brutal shit Maduro was part of.

    Venezuelans celebrating my ass. Any who are just don't realize they've been had yet.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    The only news sources I know of claiming the Venezuelan government was involved in "brutal shit" are the same ones telling us all sorts of other things that tended to be greatly exaggerated, misrepresented, or left out/kept silent on other pertinent details that changed the understanding of the story. The news sources owned by billionaires and corporations with agendas.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    So the EU, the UN, the ICC, Amnesty International..... they're all part of this so-called exaggeration and misrepresentation? Just trying to understand.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago

    I'm saying we need to fix our own "brutal shit” before worrying about others. Abu ghirab? Deportation centers. Rough rides. Hands up, don't shoot! I can't breathe! Extrajudicial bombings of citizens.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    Even Trump is a shitty copy of 2003's Iraq. The man has no originality. First he poorly copies Mussolini and now Dubya.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    yoo its only a few days after New Year wtf man.

    Also this gives me 2019 vibes: January 2019 right after New Year Trump ordered missile strike that hit a top Iranian general's vehicle.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Thank god they put "slams" in the headline, otherwise lemmy's anti-progressive contributors might not have an easy excuse to ignore AOC.

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Well, as long as she SLAMMED it. Guess thats it people. Good job everyone.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    You hear that everybody? She slammed it. It's been slammed. It's ok, no need to panic, everybody knows everything's fine as long as it gets slammed. No need for any further action here; it's been slammed.

    Slam.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Wonder if Venezuelans have figured out yet that their opposition leader sold their country and its oil to Trump in exchange for the Peace prize ceremony?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Why do you think the opposition keeps shitting the bed in the face of a weak President, every election cycle?

    Venezuelans may wrangle at Maduro's mediocrity, but they're utterly repulsed by the fascist freaks that occupy the right wing

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    When will the USA get billions from corporations to fix our crumbling infrastructure?

    Just wondering

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    [–] 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Yep, I been saying the same thing. I've been predicting a war with Venezuela for months. He is friends with the Saudis, and he wants what they have - billions in oil flowing in every single day.

    Venezuela has the largest oil reserves on the planet, so of course he wants it, at any cost.

    And just like he said in this morning's announcement, he thinks he has the Monroe Doctrine to lean on, even if he doesn't know what it is, or even who Monroe is. Somebody told him enough to make him think that it extends to the entire Western Hemisphere.

    The plan is is for Trump to control the Western Hemisphere, Putin to control Europe and West Asia, and China to control the rest of Asia, and everybody to exploit the shit out of Africa.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    The alternate take I've heard is to take Venezuela out of the oil market entierly thus driving up the price and propping up Russias economy for a bit longer.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    No, Trump wants that money. He'll be glad to sell it to Russia, perhaps even at a reduced rate, to help Russia's economy, but he will not simply let it shut down.

    The bigger issue is that apparently the infrastructure is old and decrepit, and needs major rehabilitation, but Trump is already inviting deals from American oil companies, so 2 or 3 of them will pay for the repairs, in exchange for exclusive rights.

    But make no mistake, the bulk of the profits will go the Trump. He's friends with the Saudis, and he wants the same lifestyle they have, and Venezuelan oil will give that to him.

    We have to make sure he doesn't get it.

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