The battery induction stoves are pretty neat. You can plug them into a normal 120v outlet instead of needing to rewire. Plus they can be battery backups in the event of power outages.
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Those batteries can be used to provide backup power when the grid goes down.
https://electrek.co/2024/02/29/induction-ovens-with-big-batteries-solve-lots-of-problems/
I did not know this exists and I love the idea. However, the author clearly never has used an induction stove: “Because of this, they are more efficient than typical electric resistance stoves and also safer because the surface of the oven doesn’t get very hot.”
I actually thought both of those points were true.
I have induction and this is certainly true. The surface only gets heated by the pot on top. So only after a long time does it get very hot and never even close to a regular electric stove.
Okay, go ahead and touch it, if it does not get “very hot”.
That's literally one of the advantages of induction over resistive. Resistive heat an element, that heats the pot. Inductive use a magnetic field to induce a current in the pot. That electric current then heats the pot directly.
The only heat in the stovetop is either bleed back from the pot, or resistive losses, which are quite low.
Wanna make a bet that I can boil some water and safely touch (for a short time) the stove top right after? I'm willing to bet a lot of money. 'cause I've done it. And because of physics.
The pot is 100 °C (because of physics), which is heating the glass. Glass is not as conductive as metal, so it's not as dangerous to touch. Touching a pot of boiling water is not pleasant, but not very dangerous if you immediately remove your hand, and touching the stove is even less dangerous than that. Completely different ball game to vitroceramic resistive heating which heats the stove itself well above boiling temperatures.
Big lol. Compares boiling water to frying. The author of the article was generally speaking. And by generally they were saying the surface does not get very hot. Yes. It does not get 800°C. But it still can and will get to 300°C. Is it less? Yes. Is it still fucking hot and causing severe burns? YES.
Stop saying it is safe, because that causes people to believe this and get harmed for no fucking reason.
Nope. Had induction. The ceramic gets just as hot, because you heat up the metal on top and the metal is touching the ceramic, thus it gets hot. Enough to cause severe burns.
Sounds like you didn't have induction but had a normal flat top stove with electric burners.
This is important for those replacing gas or propane stoves and don’t want to add the cost of running a 240V line that most resistance and induction ovens require.
OK this makes sense. It answers my WTF reaction at the thought of a battery-backed range.
For real? In Europe one can get induction for less than €200. Significantly less. And a "real", full size one, 4 spots. And adding an oven adds additional €200.
You're right, I've updated my post.
For comparison, in Australia, gas and induction are at price parity (a budget 4-hotplate setup costs about $200-300 either way). You can buy a single-plate induction cooker for $50 that plugs into the wall and has a temperature configurable from 60-200 C.
Edit: Stopped markdown converting Centigrate to Copyright symbol
PS: Also, electricity is cheaper than gas in Australia, because we have so much rooftop solar, electricity is soon going to be free during the midday peak.
I also see those batteries going bad and complications in the future with such a complicated system rather than a dedicated 240v circuit.
What makes it seem convoluted? It's slightly more complex than a standard electric stove, but we have and use countless devices on a daily basis with this technology. Very rarely do they have any issues with the charging/discharge circuit.
Yes, the batteries will eventually need to be replaced, and it could be an issue during Thanksgiving (etc) when a ton of power is needed all at once. But I really think you're overestimating the usage it will get.
In any event, this is why they're running it as a pilot. Any real-world issues will come to light before a larger rollout.
Has the text changed? I can't find any reference to 240v
I think this is the new section?
The winning submission came from Copper, a California-based company which designed a battery-equipped induction stove that plugs into a standard 120-volt outlet. That means the units can be used in existing NYCHA kitchens without the need for major electrical upgrades.
Ditto. I wonder if it could be more of a big capacitor, or if it is.
What's so hard about 240v since it takes a thinner wire compared to 110v?
Still sounds easier than fixing old gas plumbing, and again, the current is lower so the wires are not thicker they're thinner.
And I'm certainly not keen on running a big battery that will be next to heat and needs replacement approved by landlord every 3-5 years, plus having to own expensive pans.
What do I know, I never owned electric stove and I don't want one.
For new construction, nothing.
For existing construction, it requires you to run a new circuit.
I just got an induction cook top and it’s amazing. WAY more efficient than alternatives, better indoor air quality as compared to gas. One problem: can’t cook if the power is out. Good ideas all around.
Some gas stoves require electricity to continue operating due to electric safety sensors that shut the stove gas off if the flame goes out. They too would be useless in a power outage because the valves would not open. So it’s not just electric stoves that would be out of luck.
If you have room to store one, a used camp stove and gas cylinder are fine for basics. No need to buy a fancy new one. Or even a gas bbq grill.
Don't forget about the electric ventilation being out if theres a power outage. You don't want to cook with a gas stove indoors with that off.
Regulations in my country require that the ventilation doesn't rely on any device, it must be some hatch you can't close. I'm pretty sure it's the same elsewhere in the world, it's too dangerous otherwise.
I mean sure... but without the fan it's not going to work nearly as well.
It doesn't even work WITH the fan as we're now finding out it's still creating toxic air in homes.
You peoplr are nuts. You need everything, PPE's, Ventilation, a central AC unti, or you would just sit and wait to die, because nothing is "propper".
How often does your power go out that this is a major concern?
I would just use my camping stove or BBQ if I had to due to an extended power outage. Runs on anything that will burn pretty much.
Multi-day power outages are a yearly occurrence where I live (North Carolina), typically caused either by a hurricane, a tornado or an ice storm.
You'd be looking at another 2-3k but you could get battery that can support that (and other things in an outage)
That starts you down the rabbit hole of okay well what about solar panels to charge it in an extended outage...
Also not practical for so many people.
Really a microwave or single plate induction would be better for outage and cheaper battery.
There are lots of things you can't do without power, how bad is your power grid that you need to plan everyday life around powercuts?
I'm seeing a lot of derogatory comments exactly like this shitting on the power grid. Either there's a bunch of southwestern kids on here who never sat through a storm in their lives and can't imagine weather which impacts infrastructure, or the mockery bots are in play.
It’s winter in the northeast, and it’s been pretty brutal, so power has gone out repeatedly. I’m not planning around them, I just want to cook in the event there’s a multi day outage. And there’s been two this year.
This Copper model (and also the cooktop that Impulse makes) has enough battery to do some cooking even in a power outage.
As an added benefit besides the environmental ones - you can't blow out a wall and collapse a house with careless use of an induction cooker. :)
All it takes is someone not knowing how to handle a grease fire, and you can make one of those on anything called a stove.
I don't know what you're trying to convey with this.
Also, very unlikely. You need a source of ignition to start a fire. So unless someone is letting grease get so hot that it is ignitable, then lighting a cigarette within inches of the, again, very hot grease. Then the likelihood of starting a grease fire with an induction cooktop is near zero.
I'd consider the health benefits a bigger benefit than the energy savings. Less chance of getting asthma and/or cancer is a pretty big boon.
And just yesterday people were arguing with me here, on lemmy, that induction is too expensive. There are literally single plate cook tops for like $50! And how expensive do you think the cancer will be?
I picked up a used/open-box Duxtop induction burner to avoid using my gas stove, and it works amazingly well. The only downside is that most countertop induction burners have relatively small coil sizes, so with bigger pans, like my 12" cast iron frying pan, the outer part of the pan doesn't get hot enough to brown things.
As a solution, I'm planning to pair the induction cooktop with a separate standard glasstop coil burner that has a much larger burner size for my bigger pans (and for my older pots that aren't compatible with the induction).
Maybe if we go for 1,000,000 pilot programs we can piecemeal sneak ourselves into some kind of real change.
The plan is to do a limited-scale pilot, then do 10,000 apartments once a smooth process doing the upgrade is in place
Now, if the Lemmy community could pour together funds, and concentrate on renovating key areas, we can make a drastic difference
The video of the stove setup seems great till they get to the part that you have to connect your stove to WiFi and pair it with their phone app. This means I'm never buying the Charlie stove.
If it was just a standard Matter device, I’d be fine with it. But fuck one off apps for smart devices. They are always shitty, and always get neglected or abandoned.

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