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[–] 117 points 10 months ago (9 children)

...with professional-grade tactical gear.
The gear includes firearms, ballistic full-body armor, flash bangs and smoke grenades, tear gas...

Where the fuck are you sourcing explosives and tear gas as a civilian, and more importantly...
Where can I get some? Purely for home defense, of course. Definitely not wanting it for defrost purposes.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    The best part is the 50/50 on if they work or not

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Totally legal, all of that. The grenades require a $200 DD stamp each (don't think the smokes do, unsure about tear gas - I know I bought smoke grenades for airsoft all the time back when I played), but everything there is totally legal from your local gun show or Bubba.

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  • [–] 227 points 10 months ago (58 children)

    “I’d much rather make a squatter homeless than have a landlord lose property,” James added.

    Keeping it classy.

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  • [–] 67 points 10 months ago (54 children)

    wanted to say the same thing. what a dickhead, simping for landlords.

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  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago (26 children)

    Hear me out: I don’t blame landlords for wanting to protect their investments. But, I do have a problem with them (and guys like James here) who do it at the expense of the downtrodden. Being a landlord should not have to be mutually exclusive with helping people.

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  • [–] 38 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    I'm not seeing it.

    For there to be squatters, the landlords had to have this property open and unrented for a while. The only way that happens is if the rent is too high.

    What kind of landlord can afford to have a rental property vacant for a significant period of time and not accept a lower rent? Ones who own lots of property and would prefer to lose income rather than reduce the average rent price in the area.

    In the industry, withholding housing from people because you want to make more money, when you can clearly afford to get no income from it, is called "a dick move".

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    The only way that happens is if the rent is too high.

    That’s not the only way. It’s not even very likely. If they are looking for too much rent and can’t get it they will lower their ask rather than sit there month after month getting nothing. Too high rent is the most easily fixable situation conceivable.

    Other explanations include things like: it’s owned by someone who is elderly and due to their health or other problem they simply aren’t managing it actively or are even incapacitated and can’t make major decisions. Perhaps the owner died and the property is in the probate courts, which can take years.

    Also, the presence of squatters doesn’t necessarily indicate it has been vacant for a long time.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Corporate landlords lose more by drops in real estate price and lowering of rent averages than a handful of empty properties. They have scale.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    In theory. Long term vacancy is not in any corporate landlord’s plan, though. They will adjust rather than seek impossible rent forever. And aside from large apartment buildings, most residences (75% of 1-4 unit buildings) are owned by small landlords who don’t give a shit about network effects.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Squatters could move in the day after the property becomes empty. Really it depends on when it is noticed the house is unoccupied.
    Sometimes houses can't be sold for months because of legal BS (happened with my moms house).

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    For there to be squatters, the landlords had to have this property open and unrented for a while.

    Huh? A squatter is most commonly simply a former renter who stops paying without moving out. The property is not vacant at any point.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Counterpoint: some people would rent an Airbnb and stay after the two weeks they rented, effectively preventing the homeowner to return to their homes after a vacation. There's little legal recourse to speedily remove them, as two weeks of occupation requires a lengthy judicial process to evict them (IIRC in California).

    I dislike rent seekers too, but it happens to people with only one home as well. They think they could put their home to use while they're not there (effectively reducing the problem of real estate under occupation), only to be exploited.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    If that's true, we would all do it. No?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    Are you asking why isn't everybody stealing each other's property?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    If there's little repercussion and everyone is broke, yes.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    I think you either a) underestimate people's desires to not be absolute assholes; or b) underestimate how often this happens.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Very possibly. But the train of thought loses me.

    If squatters were a very big problem, and most squatters come from overstaying rentals, fewer people would be landlords because of the high risk. There would be squatter insurance for landlords.

    I don't see that. So in our current situation, either squatters are not really that big of a problem, or the insurance industry is not being greedy enough? You can see why I think it's the former.

    And it also wouldn't explain the high vacancy rate.

    But here's an idea that fits what we see more closely. You have a bunch of unrentable units because they're not up to code. The owner doesn't want to fix it. They're just sitting on the property hoping it goes up in value so they can sell it. Squatters see that and move in because they don't care if it's up to code. The owners freak out because squatters reduce the property value.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    The thing is, what you describe is incredibly rare, to the point of being a statistical anomaly.

    Also, if you take the “low income” piece out of it, abusing others and cheating the system to save money is “just good business.” Ask all the millionaires doing immoral but TECHNICALLY legal things on their taxes.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago

    You're mistaken, sadly. It doesn't happen more often because people got smart to it and no longer put their houses for rent for longer periods.

    And I don't get your whatabout millionaires comment. My comment was that not all squatting hurts landlords, some hurt regular people. I don't need to ask millionaires about it because it's not about them, it's about middle class people.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Landlords protecting their investments is always at the expense of the downtrodden. The role of landlord is one that exists solely at the expense of the downtrodden, and it is mutually exclusive with helping people.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I disagree, though I know I'll get roasted for it... Landlords do serve a purpose to a point. Not everyone wants to own property. Owning property ties you to a particular place, makes it difficult to leave. If you know you want to stay in an area for the rest of your life, or even just the next 10 years, absolutely, you should be able to buy, and not being able to is a societal failure. But if you don't know where you want to spend the rest of your life, you still need shelter now, and renting provides that, and when you decide to go somewhere else, it's relatively easy. One of my bigger regrets in life was feeling pressured to buy a house in 2005... Just in time for the subprime mortgage crisis. I had a traditional mortgage, but nonetheless, my house went from $150k to <50k in months. I was stuck. Couldn't sell without coming up with extra money to pay off the mortgage, but I wasn't in as bad shape as some people, I could afford the payments, so I couldn't justify walking away, just had to wait for it to rebound, which took another 5 years roughly. Had I been renting, I would have been able to leave much more easily.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    There are ways to meet that particular need without landlords. Tenant unions buying out their apartment building and making it cooperatively owned, for example, or municipally owned public housing. The alternative to private property is public property. That kind of thing isn't available because private property owners are the ones calling the shots, and that would undercut their parasitic lifestyle.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    OK I heard you out. But I absolutely do blame them. It is mutually exclusive, they're parasites and aren't helping anyone. The guy who helps fix up your home is the property manager, for which landlords occasionally hire themselves using your rent money.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Their investments fundamentally come at the expense of the downtrodden by relegating necessities behind a paywall that they have private ownership over.

    Being a landlord is fundamentally against helping people. It is explicitly about utilizing the private ownership over housing in order to profit off of someone else's inherent need of shelter.

    It is mutually exclusive and there is nothing that can be done to change that. The system is fundamentally oppressive.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    I'd definitely claim exception there in cases when someone travels often. Picture a guy who's going to study at the nearby university for one year, but isn't going to put down any roots in the city.

    But yes, I acknowledge that's a comparatively uncommon case to most renters.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    The kind of squatters that you have to fight in court to get rid of are downtroden in the sense that all petty criminals are downtrodden. In the sense that the guy that robs you at the bus stop is downtrodden even as he treads down on you.

    Now I don't much give a fuck about people's return on investment and shit, but property, if you actually give a shit about it, is expensive to maintain and repair. That plus an arduous legal process highly incentivizes property owners to capitulate to unjust demands from squatters, much like any other robbery uses a threat of harm to coerce compliance.

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  • [+] -14 points 10 months ago (26 children)

    Its all well and good to hate on the Bourgeois until you become one at which point the proletariat are your problem.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    Its all well and good to hate on serial killers until you become one at which point the victims are your problem.

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  • [+] -10 points 10 months ago (14 children)

    Yeah but being a serial killer doesn't add anything to society. Bourgeois ownership of property and the competition that creates (capitalism) put a man on the moon and given you a better life than the aristocrats the bourgeois overthrew. How many people have serial killers raised out of poverty?

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Sorry if I'm getting whooshed, are you being sarcastic? NASA is government-run. Feudalism was even more property-based and less democratic than capitalism is.

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  • [+] -10 points 10 months ago

    U clearly have no idea how NASA actually accomplished man in the moon. Most of the rocket and infrastructure was built and designed by private companies being paid by NASA. NASA just did the integration, design, and analysis. Its the perfect example of a socialist policy taking advantage of capitalist industry.

    Capitalism, communism, socialism, and feudalism have nothing to do with democracy. They for the most part only refer to property in how its owned, who owns it, and what is property. Marx says everything that is not a person or a person labour is property owned by the state.

    This is a direct analogue to feudalism and its structure of property ownership. Under feudalism the state owns everything including you, under communism the state owns everything except you. Marx himself comments on the similarity and how that relationship can be leveraged to bring in a communist regime.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    Ah, the Space Race. Something that was famously only participated in by capitalist countries.

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  • [+] -8 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    The USSR never put a man on the moon. And what your implying here is that the USSR was communism? If so the genocides and mass starvation it caused should be enough evidence against communism.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I’m asserting that capitalism didn’t do that on its own. The USSR is not a good example of communism, no, but it’s certainly not capitalist, and if they hadn’t provided competition at every step of the space race, beating the US out most of the time, the US wouldn’t have gotten to the moon.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Oh, here we go with the "little black book of communism" bullshit.

    Gods, you guys are so predictable.

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    60million dead people is bullshit hey? That's 10x what Hitler did in the holocaust. Being predictable doesn't change the facts that your supporting and pushing an ideology responsible for 60million dead people. That's literally 10times as bad as supporting Nazism if we are going by human lives taken.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    We currently produce enough food to feed everyone and the international system is capitalist. Does every death from starvation or malnutrition count as a tick against capitalism for you? What about deaths from diabetes in the US? If not, you should look more into how the numbers you’re citing were generated and see if you still want to spread them. If so, you might find that capitalism has killed more than “communism.”

    Also, just as a nitpick: 6 million Jews died in the holocaust. 13 million people died altogether (not including war casualties).

    I know you feel like we’re on opposite sides here, but I really do just want you to research this a little more, no need to come back afterwards if you don’t want to.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I'm counting western capitalism Europe, USA, western aligned Asia pacific nations etc as I think that's a fair comparison to make in the context of communism given I only considered the USSR and not other "communist nations".

    I'm aware of the nitpick I'm purposely presenting technically true facts in a manner most advantageous to my argument (same as any journalist does). I've done plenty of research I even went and read the communist manifesto so I could understand its true intentions (they got the societal diagnosis correct just the treatment is complete bullshit imo).

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I think we have different definitions of “technically true,” but that’s probably true for a lot of terms. Have a good new year’s, if you celebrate.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    So as long as the bourgeoise exist, there will always be a problem?

    Sounds like the only solution is to collectively agree to delete the bourgeoise.

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  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    OK Marx sure. So what do u replace it with? Someone has to "own" ie control all the things and if u just hand it all over to some entity "the state" you have just reinvented aristocracy.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Someone has to “own” ie control all the things

    That's an extremely silly statement. Do you really believe in a single global landlord that owns everything that everyone else must pay rent to? If one person owns everything like you say, you just destroyed private ownership.

    You managed to accuse me of being both Marx and a monarchist all while you call to end any private ownership in just one post.

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  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    That is possibly the worst faith interpretation of my statement. Everything is owned by someone not necessarily the same someone. For instance I own and am thus responsible for my property, someone else is responsible for their property hence everything is owned by someone.

    What's the functional difference between communism and a monarchy? In both cased all property is owned by "the state" and can exercise control over that property however they please. Democracy doesn't work cos the people have no control of any property and thus are completely beholden to the state. Good luck protesting against the government when you have no food, water, means to communicate, and travel. What are u gonna do about the inevitable authoritarian takeover? Die?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    actually, ownership is a human invention and it is not necessary at all.

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Ownership is simply the word we use to describe the person who ultimately controls and is thus responsible for any particularly thing. Please describe a system in ownership isn't a thing. The only one I can think of is anarchy until someone finds a gun and announces that everything now belongs to them and that their is nothing u can do about it

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    anarchy until someone finds a gun and announces that everything now belongs to them and that their is nothing u can do about it

    it is anarchy. your gunman is a despot, and is not part of anarchism.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    he smells like a nimby. he probably would be at the place when MILLBRAE(rich white residents) were complaining about converting a former hotel into a liviing space for the impoverished that occured like last year.

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  • [–] 49 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    “The average squatter has no melee experience,”

    But what about magic? Magic beats melee in the combat triangle.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    At a distance! This would be close quarter

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    It actually doesn't matter as far as the combat triangle is concerned because melee armor has debuffs for magic defense and magic armor has buffs for melee defense IIRC

    Also mages can freeze you and shit

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  • [–] 49 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    This fool is going to get shot.

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  • [–] 41 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I assume it's a joke, but the guy said professional tactical gear and firearms apparently, as well as teargas and such. If he's not joking I'd say their odds of going to prison are pretty good. Premeditating and provoking a situation with deadly weapons instead of contacting actual authorities and following the laws/procedure doesn't seem like it would work out well for anyone.

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Isn't that the exact gear that cops use to break up homeless encampments?

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Whether we like it or not, those cops are the proper procedure/authorities in said situation. Thus they are allowed by law. I can't just hire a neighbor to show up to a homeless camp with said gear and expect when something goes wrong for them not to get arrested for murder/battery, and probably be arrested for something else. Paying them to do so probably has a different terminology than an accessory. Might fall under the rico shit, not sure

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago*

    Eh, bounty hunting is an entire industry.

    So are all kinds of private security.

    Wouldn't be that hard to just create some new class of crime that can legally be dealt with by people or agencies with the proper licensing, then shunt off encampment clearing to basically PMCs.

    Then you just tie in existing apps that city governments or police put out, to report encampments, tie that into a conctracting system.

    Its the most neoliberal solution to homelessness that can exist, therefore, just give it a couple years.

    Works well with the prison industrial complex too!

    Trump did say, and has been, settting up massive internment camps for the homeless.

    Why not spread some of the money around to some new enterprising startups? Helps make it not look like a no bid contract situation.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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    sword-wielding man

    ASAP Squatter Removal has a 95%+ success rate

    Every now and then, you run into a spearman.

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    We must defend the empty properties!

    Also, we must solve the housing crisis by building more houses!

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    It's gonna be really funny when dude gets charged with menacing and extortion.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    This might also count under assault, depending on state laws. Someone turns up at my door with a fucking sword, a gun, and a belt full of chemical weapons, I'm definitely going to feel like he's there to harm me, whether or not he says he is.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Squatters don't usually go for genuinely abandoned properties, but rather ones that are empty in the short term for normal reasons (vacations, sales, grandma got moved to a home). If they went into abandoned properties then there might be repairs that need to be done, some of the utilities might not be able to be activated immediately because of connection issues, it might not be safe, and certainly the owner might not notice and then come to ask them to leave and then they would never be able to ask the owner for money to make them leave.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Do you have knowledge of these truly abandoned properties? I could use some adverse possession...

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    You could search Zillow for off-market properties. Look for stuff that's way below market for the area. Cross reference state property tax records. Title records. Maybe it's boarded up and in obvious disrepair. Particular look for one that's owned for a long time by an LLC. The owner there has enough business accumen to fix it up, but believes that he'll profit more by waiting around until market conditions change. Look for the LLC owner, for one who doesn't live nearby. Now you have someone whose distance and dereliction of social duty shows through in the condition of the property. He's harming the neighborhood, keeping housing empty and off-market, and not even paying attention. That's the one.

    This is not legal advice, just a mental exercise.

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  • [–] 55 points 10 months ago

    this is a puff piece about the kind of gangster who turns up murdered and unmourned

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago*

    Ads for this type of services show up in craigslist regularly where I live. Named organizations like Viking Acquisitions or FAFO LLC post weekly. I bugged the local newspaper about it, but they were disinterested.

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