I am standing on the corner of Harris Road and Young Street outside of the Crossroads Business Park in Bakersfield, California, looking up at a Flock surveillance camera bolted high above a traffic signal. On my phone, I am watching myself in real time as the camera records and livestreams me—without any password or login—to the open internet. I wander into the intersection, stare at the camera and wave. On the livestream, I can see myself clearly. Hundreds of miles away, my colleagues are remotely watching me too through the exposed feed. Flock left livestreams and administrator control panels for at least 60 of its AI-enabled Condor cameras around the country exposed to the open internet, where anyone could watch them, download 30 days worth of video archive, and change settings, see log files, and run diagnostics.

Unlike many of Flock’s cameras, which are designed to capture license plates as people drive by, Flock’s Condor cameras are pan-tilt-zoom (PTZ) cameras designed to record and track people, not vehicles. Condor cameras can be set to automatically zoom in on people’s faces as they walk through a parking lot, down a public street, or play on a playground, or they can be controlled manually, according to marketing material on Flock’s website. We watched Condor cameras zoom in on a woman walking her dog on a bike path in suburban Atlanta; a camera followed a man walking through a Macy’s parking lot in Bakersfield; surveil children swinging on a swingset at a playground; and film high-res video of people sitting at a stoplight in traffic. In one case, we were able to watch a man rollerblade down Brookhaven, Georgia’s Peachtree Creek Greenway bike path. The Flock camera zoomed in on him and tracked him as he rolled past. Minutes later, he showed up on another exposed camera livestream further down the bike path. The camera’s resolution was good enough that we were able to see that, when he stopped beneath one of the cameras, he was watching rollerblading videos on his phone.

The exposure was initially discovered by YouTuber and technologist Benn Jordan and was shared with security researcher Jon “GainSec” Gaines, who recently found numerous vulnerabilities in several other models of Flock’s automated license plate reader (ALPR) cameras. They shared the details of what they found with me, and I verified many of the details seen in the exposed portals by driving to Bakersfield to walk in front of two cameras there while I watched myself on the livestream. I also pulled Flock’s contracts with cities for Condor cameras, pulled details from company presentations about the technology, and geolocated a handful of the cameras to cities and towns across the United States. Jordan also filmed himself in front of several of the cameras on the Peachtree Creek Greenway bike path. Jordan said he and Gaines discovered many of the exposed cameras with Shodan, an internet of things search engine that researchers regularly use to identify improperly secured devices.

After finding links to the feed, “immediately, we were just without any username, without any password, we were just seeing everything from playgrounds to parking lots with people, Christmas shopping and unloading their stuff into cars,” Jordan told me in an interview. “I think it was like the first time that I actually got like immediately scared … I think the one that affected me most was as playground. You could see unattended kids, and that’s something I want people to know about so they can understand how dangerous this is.” In a YouTube video about his research, Jordan said he was able to use footage pulled from the exposed feed to identify specific people using open source investigation tools in order to show how trivially an exposure like this could be abused.

Last year, Flock introduced AI features to Condor cameras that automatically zoom in on people as they walk by. In Flock’s announcement of this feature, it explained that this technology “zooms in on a suspect exiting one car, stealing an item from another, and returning to his vehicle. Every detail is captured, providing invaluable evidence for investigators.” On several of the exposed feeds, we saw Flock cameras repeatedly zooming in on and tracking random people as they walked by. The cameras can be controlled by AI or manually.
The exposure highlights the fact that Flock is not just surveilling cars—it is surveilling people, and in some cases it is doing so in an insecure way, and highlight the types of places that its Condor cameras are being deployed. Condor cameras are part of Flock’s ever-expanding quest to “prevent crime,” and are sometimes integrated with its license plate cameras, its gunshot detection microphones, and its automated camera drones. Cooper Quintin, senior staff technologist at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, told me the behavior he saw in videos we shared with him “shows that Flock's ambitions go far beyond license-plate surveillance. They want to be a nation-wide panopticon, watching everyone all the time. Flock's goal isn't to catch stolen cars, their goal is to have total surveillance of everyone all the time."

The cameras were left not just livestreaming to the internet for anyone who could find the link, but in many cases their administrative portals were left open with no login credentials required whatsoever. On this portal, some camera settings could be changed, diagnostics could be run, and text logs of what the camera was doing were being streamed, too. Thirty days of the camera’s archive was left available for anyone to watch or download from any of the cameras that we found. We were not able to geolocate every camera that was left unprotected, but we found cameras at a New York City Department of Transportation parking lot, on a street corner in suburban New Orleans, in random cul-de-sacs, in a Lowes parking lot, in the parking lot of a skatepark, at a pool, outside a parking garage, at an apartment complex, outside a church, on a bike path, and at various street intersections around the country. 404 Media did not change any settings on any cameras and only viewed footage.

“This is not the first time we have seen ALPRs exposed on the public internet, and it won't be the last. Law enforcement agencies around the country have been all too eager to adopt mass surveillance technologies, but sometimes they have put little effort into ensuring the systems are secure and the sensitive data they collect on everyday people is protected,” Quintin said. “Law enforcement should not collect information they can’t protect. Surveillance technology without adequate security measures puts everyone’s safety at risk.” It was not always clear which business or agency owned specific cameras that were left exposed, or what type of misconfiguration led to the exposure, though I was able to find a $348,000 Flock contract for Brookhaven, Georgia, which manages the Peachtree Creek Greenway, and includes 64 Condor cameras. "This was a limited misconfiguration on a very small number of devices, and it has since been remedied," a Flock spokesperson told 404 Media. It did not answer questions about what caused the misconfiguration or how many devices ultimately were affected. 💡 Do you know anything else about surveillance? I would love to hear from you. Using a non-work device, you can message me securely on Signal at jason.404. Otherwise, send me an email at jason@404media.co. In response to Jordan and Gaines’ earlier research on vulnerabilities in other Flock cameras, Flock CEO Garrett Langley said in a LinkedIn post that “The Flock system has not been hacked. We secure customer data to the highest standard of industry requirements, including strict industry standard encryption. Flock’s cloud storage has never been compromised.” The exposure of these video feeds is not a hack of Flock’s system, but demonstrates a major misconfiguration of at least some cameras. It also highlights a major misconfiguration in its security that persisted for at least days. “When I was making my last video [about Flock ALPR vulnerabilities], it was almost like a catchphrase where I'd say like, ‘I don't see how it could get any worse.’ And then something would happen where you'd be like, wow, they pulled it off. They made it worse,” Jordan said. “And then this is like the ultimate one. Because this is completely unrelated [to my earlier research] and I don’t really know how it could be any worse to be honest.”

In a 2023 video webinar introducing the Condor platform to police, Flock executives said the cameras are meant to be paired with their ALPR cameras and are designed to feed video to FlockOS, a police panel that allows cops to hop from camera to camera in real time across a mapped-out view of their city. In Bakersfield, which has 382 Flock cameras according to a transparency report, one of the Condor cameras we saw was located next to a mall that had at least two Flock ALPR cameras stationed at the entrances to the mall parking lot. Kevin Cox, a Flock consultant who used to work for the Grand Prairie, Texas Police Department, said in the webinar that he built an “intel center” with a high “density” of Flock cameras in that city. “I am passionate about this because I’ve lived it. The background behind video [Condor] with LPR is rich with arrests,” he said. “That rich experience of seeing what happened kind of brings it alive to [judges]. So video combined with the LPR evidence of placing a vehicle at the scene or nearby is an incredibly game changing experience into the prosecutorial chain of events.” “You can look down a tremendous distance with our cameras, to the next intersection and the next intersection,” he said. “The camera will identify people, what they’re wearing, and cars up to a half a mile away. It’s that good.”

In the webinar Cox pulled up a multiview panel of a series of cameras and took control of them, dragging, panning, and zooming on cameras and hopping between multiple cameras in real time. Cox suggested that police officers could either use Flock’s cameras to pinpoint a person at a place and time and then use it to request “cell tower dumps” from wireless companies, or could use cell GPS data to then go into the Flock system to track a person as they moved throughout a city. “If you can place that person’s cell phone and then the Condor video and Falcon LPR evidence, it would be next to impossible to beat that in court,” he said, adding that some towns may just want to have always-on, always recording video of certain intersections or town squares. “There’s endless endless uses to what we can do with these things.” On the webinar, Seth Cimino, who was a police officer at the Citrus Heights, California police department at the time but now works directly for Flock, told participants that officers in his city enjoyed using the cameras to zoom in on crimes. “There is an eagerness amongst our staff that are logged in that have their own Flock accounts to be able to monitor our ALPR and pan tilt zoom Condor cameras throughout the community, to a point where sometimes our officers are beating dispatch with the information,” he said. “If there’s an incident that occurs at a specific intersection or a short distance away where our Condor cameras can zoom in on that area, it allows for real time overwatch […] as I sit here right now with you—how cool is this? We just had a Flock alert here in the city. I mean, it just popped up on my screen!”

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[–] 109 points 10 months ago

I do not consent.

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    The original is better because no higher resolution version actually looks like the original. It's so weird, it's not hars at all to make a higher res one that's almost identical to the original yet all the ones I've seen just look like shit. I'm gonna take some time tomorrow and make a high resolution version with the details correct.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    I don't think it's an upscale. I think it's an mspaint recreation. There's no reason an AI upscale would turn the cheek circles into ellipses and move them away from the edge of the cheek. All the colors are also different, and the geometry differs in places too.

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  • [–] 170 points 10 months ago (14 children)
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    Or like someone in Hacker News comm suggested, use this to track a US Senator for 24 hours, make it all public, then see if they're still OK with this...

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    That's the first I've seen a HN web client. Why does it exist, and what's the reason against linking directly to Y Combinator?

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago

    YCombinator is a VC fund trying to pretend like they're hacker(tinkering) friendly community, when their business model is boosting their own companies/startups. And companies aren't hitting those profits with people tinkering.

    https://soatok.blog/2025/12/17/the-revolution-will-not-make-the-hacker-news-front-page/

    In all, that doesn't align with the hacker ethos. They're just capitalizing on what it stands for with a lot of techbro hubris.

    The first step of limiting their influence is using a different opensource frontend.

    https://github.com/rajatkulkarni95/hckrnws

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  • [–] 49 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Benn Jordan did a recent video on his...explorations of Flock cameras. Essentially, they're easily hackable and really should be an urgent matter of national security.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago* (6 children)

    Dude, he just released another one where they accessed dozens of real, currently in use cameras. They didn't even "hack" them, they just used a search engine to find publicly exposed cameras, opened their unsecured internal web panel, and could download and view any footage over the past 31 days, including from the new face tracking cameras that zoom in and pan on people's unsuspecting faces as they walk by.

    Truly wild.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Reading flock their own response about their security and recording it via one of their active and installed cameras was fucking great. I mean, it was nightmare shit, but at a certain point, you have to appreciate the irony.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    My own mother (pensioner) sent me the video asking "is this real?" But could only follow the first minutes of it.

    I lol'd at that part and had to explain the brilliance of it. Then she lol'd, too.

    It's nice to share in the shadows humor, as a family, while we feel our liberties erode.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    This only serves to justify my secret low key paranoia that my like is like The Truman Show... I wish my parents were better about limiting some of the movies I was allowed to watch growing up... Arachnophobia was another lasting damage banger...

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  • [–] 89 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    The idea that you're somehow not entitled to privacy based on the publicity of a space has got to be one of the most successful propaganda campaigns used to strip privacy against the will of people.

    Fuck you, I want to take a walk and generally travel freely without being tracked by some fucking "Flock" or Ring camera, or uploaded unblurred to some randos Instagram where Meta and Clearview will train facial recognition and generative AI, or having my entire life story and biometric data collected at some airport.

    Take me back to the thousands of years humanity existed without obscenely invasive tech.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    It's the "common sense" part of the laws.

    A honest person has right to live without being tracked. You shouldn't care how they'll do it and you shouldn't care if they go out of business.

    And of course you shouldn't fear to be public about it and demand answers, LOL, the most notable for me personally part about today's politics is that in English-speaking countries that fear seems to have become a thing. Well, because any protest that's more than a demonstration is becoming dangerous and costly.

    While literal legalism always helps tyranny.

    It's not much different from USSR in the 70s and 80s, "yeah, you can have all your rights, a defendant and all, and correspondence and you won't be tortured for submitting a complaint, and Soviet laws will be followed to the letter, but good luck, prove you're not a camel".

    Since USSR and western nations no longer exist in the same time period, it's easy to discard even the thought that the latter are gradually becoming similar to the former in some regards, and might even overshoot it.

    Anyway, I live in Russia, here things are for the last few months at the point where I can get jailed for writing even this, just because. LOL again.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    A honest person has right to live without being tracked.

    The implied corrolary here is that a dishonest person doesn't have this right? How is one determined to be dishonest?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    It's more of an emotional antipode of how tracking everyone is justified - "you have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide" and all such.

    Whether, say, a convicted rapist (I suppose that's dishonest enough) should be tracked or not is a question in the system of values my previous comment represents.

    First, whether them being a confirmed (by a proven deed) threat justifies tracking them, second, whether tracking them violates rights of those around them - their coworkers, their family members, their friends, and so on, third, whether it's possible to make tools for tracking them without introducing a technical possibility of tracking random people.

    Second and third are not the same, second is about how tracking technically only them exposes those on their social graph, third is about initially illegal, but technically possible use, that would eventually become legal, because of slippery slopes.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago*

    It reminds me a little of Game of Thrones, where all the major players, the royals etc all have spy networks. This is a world where very poor peasants and servants are everywhere and many of them, including children, end up in the employ of this person or that person, watching who is coming and going and reporting back, such that one’s movements and meetings are trackable to a minute degree. The better your spy network, the more power you have.

    Of course Varys, spymaster to the crown, is famed for the effectiveness of his network, which spans the continent and even across the sea to other major cities.

    He himself is a master of disguise. This was left out of the show entirely but he frequently appears by surprise, whipping off the guise of an old woman and later leaving the scene dressed as a priest, etc. He grew up with actors and uses makeup and costume changes to hide his tracks. He can change his voice and gait at will and routinely shocks people by his ability to blend in and appear or disappear at will. He knows how to leave a place by a different entrance than he came in, and knows all the secrets passageways of the castle.

    Basically, in a world with no privacy, the world’s foremost surveillance master is a model for all of us in these times. If you want to move freely in public but do so without a trace, be prepared to pull your hood up and when you leave a restaurant, take off the hoodie you were wearing when you went in. Practice different postures to throw off gait tracking.

    You don’t have to like it, but this is the world we live in.

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  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago

    I'm pretty sure that the "non entitled to privacy" part was not about getting organisationally stalked, but that if someone were to randomly take a picture outside and post it somewhere, then you don't get to make them take down photos.
    Also, if you are creating a scene in public, other get to film you as they get to see you.

    This is not a problem about privacy in public. This is a problem of:

    • organisational stalking
    • misrepresentation of actions
    • shirking accountability and responsibility
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  • [–] 36 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I was living in a 10th story penthouse apartment as a new building started beside us. The contractor put a webcam high up on the structure so people could watch construction live on a website. They left the control panel fully exposed so all you had to do was find the IP address of the camera and boom, you had full control. I would point it directly at my apartment's window and wave, or my friends would do silly shit. Every morning the cam would be reset, but they never actually secured it. That's when I realized how fucked we were, 20 years ago.

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  • [–] 54 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Again? How insecure are these things? I am honestly wondering how easy it would be to get into one and shut down the entire system.

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    It's obvious that these guys are fucking amateur hour Techbros, running this shitshow as they have. I don't doubt they're underpaying and undertraining the contractors they hire to install these things.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    If anything, they might have written most of the infrastructure using LLMs. It's easier for vibecode to forget about security because LLMs often forget context or hyperfixate on the wrong features.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Install a hardware-frying virus on it

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I studied coding for a while (and it has been a while since I punched in code), but I never coded a virus. I am hesitant to ask an LLM to do it since I have no idea if it'll work, and I also need to test it to see if it works first. Not sure if I have any sacrificial electronics to do that.

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    A city in the KC Metro just signed a contract with Flock for drone cameras. Fuck that Big Brother bullshit.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    red light companies most likely use some form of AI/facial recognition.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    red light cameras - at least in australia - are stock standard canon DSLRs… they take images, but not video

    there are some newer ones that do things like photos of people using their phones stopped at lights etc, but generally speed/red light and “single purpose” cameras will just be doing stills, and wouldn’t be too useful for anything other than a single photo when the sensor triggers it

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    WA police just introduced cameras that recored the inside of a vehicle (including the backseat so yay to childrens privacy) and using AI deternine whether you are driving dangerously.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    yeah they do certainly exist, but bog standard “red light cameras”… ie single purpose cameras are not that kind of problem… imo, as long as they’re deployed to combat actual issues they’re very much a beneficial tool

    i think it’s important to differentiate these new kinds of cameras from the single purpose cameras so that arguments against them can be made independently

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    I seem to recall an early 00s screed, perhaps by Bruce Schneier or someone of that ilk, suggesting a future in which yes we have surveillance in the public square, but since it's public, everyone has full access to all the public-place cameras at any time. So you could use it to, say, see around the corner of an alley at night.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    Snip their wires, spray paint their lens, or put a hammer on the end of a tall stick. it should be easy to take these things out. Of course don't do anything or have anything on you that would identify you were in the area at the time of these actions.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    There is now enough adjacent cctv coverage to follow your approach and exit from the scene of the crime. The rush is that another Flock camera is used to identify, and then make an example out of you or me.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Air rifles are pretty cheap too if you can shoot straight.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    I am wondering if a super soaker with very salty water would work. It should heavily obscure the lens when dried and if someone doesn't clean it properly it will scratch it to hell.

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    If the lens is getting wet, it's an awfully shitty surveillance camera.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    iirc they weren't even the first ones to discover this because there was already someone on the blackmarket selling data collected from exposed cameras and endpoints which included PII of entire police departments.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    Honestly? Good. These cameras should either be public or dismantled. I'd like to see them dismantled, but worst case scenario is the current one where they're selectively used by law enforcement

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Is there a directory of these cameras? Or are they gonna make me do all the legwork?

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I feel like Flock Cameras would describe a random individuals walk home from work the same way Andy Samberg does in the music video "Like a Boss".

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Wholly fuck!

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  • [+] -14 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Was interested in reading until JOIN OUR NEWSLETTER

    Ew, I don't care anymore

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    This is ai-tracking is equivalent to having a government agent following you 24/7

    You're not doing anything wrong, so why are you worried the police is trailing your every move? amirite?

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  • [–] 40 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    It is kinda insane. I mean if someone was standing outside their window with a notepad writing down everything they see and hear people would be creeped the fuck out. But put a camera there and the same asshole is sitting on a computer desk in a different city they are ok with?

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    For your detractors, I'd like to point out that nothing stated here in untrue.

    The problem is feeding 10's of thousands of video streams, from a single entity, to the police and government. And now they're using AI to sort the data, which is a powerful use case for AI.

    Were we to magically feed all the webcams and doorbells and security cameras to a single source, it would still be a technological mess to sort out. Flock's system is purpose built to track us.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    It's not a privacy problem.
    It is a stalking problem.

    We're using the wrong words.

    If we end up getting privacy in public, the police will then use it to stop people from filming them in public. That is the long-term goal of setting this in motion.

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    [–] 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

    Flock is a disgrace for the technology and innovation sector.

    And governments just like it way too much. Do with your tax money governments are paying these companies a lot of money so they can track you again. It's insane and I don't believe this should be legal.

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    [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Those are the cameras that are just loaded with copper, right?

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I'm actually ok with cameras if literally anyone can access them. Let us post Flock shots of politicians and billionaires in real time.

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