Smart TVs with an internet connection: Lets grab screenshots and send them to cooperate analysis advertisement department.

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[–] 84 points 10 months ago (8 children)

I basically just assume that anything which is closed-source, networked and has sensors of any kind is a spying device. It's easier than evaluating each one individually.

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  • [+] 8 points 10 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Eh. Its an upfront decision that's pretty easy to figure out if a TV or something has it. A TV being an extreme case where you know for near certain it has it even. Its about as hard as looking for anything else you care about in a product in most anything else this might be a concern with - I can quickly see if a TV is a smart TV or not.

    Disclaimer: I am aware that the TV market specifically is kiiinda weird with their dedicated TV remote button deals that let them sell TV units at a loss (to then be remade by these deals). I still feel this is not much harder a way to live life... I mean, what, I'm gonna spend an extra 20 minutes looking for a TV?

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  • [–] 88 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (28 children)

    It can't send screen shots if it doesn't connect to the internet. I own an LG TV and it's never been connected to a network.

    For those of you who need it:

    1. Press the Settings button on your remote (the gear icon).

    2. When the side menu pops up, select Settings.

    3. Choose the General option.

    4. Scroll down and select System.

    5, Select Additional Settings.

    1. Toggle Live Plus off.
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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    I also have an LG TV that I do not connect to the internet. How have you solved the problem of it frequently harassing you to recalibrate the screen, and connect to the internet?

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    I haven't but that's probably because I don't use it to do anything that would require that. Like. Everything (switching inputs, volume etc) is handled by my receiver. The devices that are hooked up to the receiver all have their settings on device.

    It may also depend on what firmware your TV came with and what model you have?

    Sorry I can't be more help.

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  • [–] 31 points 10 months ago (24 children)

    Plenty of TVs are capable of radioing your neighbour's TV and piggybacking off their internet connection, so if it's not in a Faraday cage, it might be overconfident to say it's never been connected to a network.

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  • [–] 31 points 10 months ago (18 children)
  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (16 children)

    Not OP, but I have heard that some smart TVs do automatically join open networks. Whether it's true or not, I can't say.

    But if it is true, I would imagine it would vary between manufacturers and even specific device models.

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  • [+] 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] -5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (9 children)

    This sounds just like when my family member tell me that their phones are “listening to what they say” because they talk about something and then see an advertisement for it.

    No, you’re seeing the ad because you googled it and forgot that you did. Or someone else on the house did.

    Edit: Morons. If your phone listened to you for ads the battery would be dead in hours. More so than they do now.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    Automatically joining open networks is a feature built into many devices, this is simply alleging that some TVs come with it enabled by default..

    Also, that is a real feature that some advertising company's offer to their clients:

    https://www.404media.co/heres-the-pitch-deck-for-active-listening-ad-targeting/

    Sounds like you owe some of your family members an apology.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I have never had a device join an open network by itself.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago*

    And of the several hundred, or thousands, of smart TV models available, how many have you owned?

    Of the tens of thousands of IoT devices available, how many have you owned?

    Just trying to figure out the sample size that you based your statement on.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Pitch deck does not mean it’s in active use. Just like filing a patent doesn’t mean the company is going to implement the patented idea.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    ...you're so far behind the times, it's comical. Yes, there are microphones around you transmitting the shit you say (or at least sentiment markers from it). Absolutely insane that there are people who don't believe this today.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    A couple of years back, my sister and I were talking of buying some seeds for my mom, who's an avid gardener. Neither of us had looked anything up. Next things we browsed on our phones, unrelated to the subject, we were served a bunch of gardening ads.

    Pretty damning evidence, if you ask me.

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  • [–] 23 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    You're going to need to provide some evidence for such a claim. That doesn't even sound legal.

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  • [–] 38 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Not OP but I think this guy is remembering a scene from silicon valley, not from reality. That said it's probably not that far off. Amazon smart devices absolutely have this "feature" in production today-- and it's opt-out, not opt-in.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Sidewalk

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago

    Thanks for that. Just another reason to be glad I've banned any Amazon devices in my house. It's already insane enough to me that people literally have to think before they speak in their own homes to avoid accidentally triggering the always-listening robo-creepy-spy in the next room.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    Interesting. But my house basically is a faraday cage. I have no signal outside it from my wifi or any of the others because of the way they were constructed. I have to have wifi repeaters indoors and a mobile repeater setup to get cell coverage inside.

    So I guess I'm lucky in that respect.

    But all in all this is good information for people to know including me. Thanks for that.

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  • [–] 118 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    It's going to get to the point where we'll need 3rd party open source OSes for every device in our homes.

    "Your toaster is spying on you, use ToastOS instead."

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I still believe this leaves a good market for a brand to just make privacy focused TVs.

    If I’m buying a $1000 TV, I would pay $1100 if it means it’s just a screen and not smart.

    The only obstacle is enough people wanting this.

    Considers how much the average person cares

    Maybe it’s a fantasy.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    You can already do that. Just skip the WiFi step in the setup then plug your own box into the HDMI port.

    Google TV, WebOS and Tizen models let you do this, only Roku and Fire TV don't AFAIK.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    The problem is you can just buy the $1000 TV you actually want and a $50 Android TV box to get the best of both worlds.

    Now if only there was better competition on that Steaming box front.

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  • [–] 38 points 10 months ago

    It's called Live Plus.

    If you've never heard of Live Plus before, it's a feature on LG smart TVs that uses ACR (automatic content recognition) to analyze what's displayed on your screen (via The Markup). LG then uses that data to offer "personalized services," including content recommendations and advertisements.

    [...]

    On Samsung smart TVs, for example, you can disable targeted ads by going to Privacy Choices, selecting Terms and Conditions, and toggling off Viewing Information Services and Internet-Based Advertisement Services. On Roku TVs, ACR can be turned off by disabling Use info from TV inputs, which is tucked away in the settings menu under Smart TV Experience.

    Saved you a click.

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  • [–] 23 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    LG doesn't make disabling Live Plus too hard, though you do have to click through a few menus. If you want to turn it off, here's how:

    1. Press the Settings button on your remote (the gear icon).

    2. When the side menu pops up, select Settings.

    3. Chose the General option.

    4. Scroll down and select System.

    5, Select Additional Settings.

    6. Toggle Live Plus off.

    In the Settings menu on its TVs, LG says, "By turning Live Plus on, you understand that the content displayed on your TV can be recognized, and that the viewing information may be used to provide you with an enhanced viewing experience and personalized services including content recommendations and advertisements."

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    And then fingers crossed. Since you don't know if this option is doing something at all. After all their source code is not open source.

    Anyhow.. Have fun. Good luck. And it's better to fully disconnect your smart TV from the internet and wifi. And just use your own home theater computer with Linux. And don't use any of their smart features or apps.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago

    Modern electronics and computers are a nightmare.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    I have an LG "Smart" TV, but because I don't use it much (view the News in the Public TV and little more) I never connected it to the WiFi, so offline this Live Plus is irrelevant for me.

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  • [–] 23 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Not necessarily. Manufacturers have been known to use ad-hoc networks to find a path back home.

    For example your neighbour gets a smart tv and connects to the internet. Now your smart tv connected to your neighbours and phones home.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Any proof of this. First I've heard about it.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Any TV nowadays is a smart TV, dumb TV are not longer exist since several years, but I don't think that the TV can connect to the Neighbours WiFi (so smart to crack the passcode, normally long as my arm, my router even with an inbuild Firewall, well....), and even if it is the case, they log the activity of the neighbours WiFi, not mine. There isn't any network activity in my TV, apart watching 99% Public TV which don't have ads in most EU countries (because of this, movies in EU public TV are country restricted, I can watch these only in the PC, visiting their homepage using an Proxy with an server of the corresponding country).

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    It’s not connecting to your neighbours wifi. Your neighbours tv can make its own hidden wifi, that your tv can look for. Once your tv connects to the other tv, it could send whatever data it likes through neighbours tv. Since their tv is internet connected it would get back to manufactures servers.

    Now, I haven’t researched this, or have any hard proof of manufactures doing this. But the technology itself would be fairly trivial to implement, so I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s already happening.

    As others have said, the only sure-fire way to ensure no connection is to remove the wifi chip altogether.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Well, as said before, with the use I give to the TV, it's anyway irrelevant for me. Logging the news or an ocassional docu in the public TV? Which ads will they show in channels which don`t have?

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Rule #1 Do not connect tvs to wifi.

    Problems solved.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    This is true, but if you want 120Hz Steam Link on your TV, it's usually the only way to achieve that.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    Or put Moonlight on a Raspberry Pi and hook it up to your TV for 1440p/144hz or 4K/60hz with significantly less latency. Plus you won't require an app on the TV

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    What OS and remote are you going to use for that, though?

    FWIW, I get like, maybe 14ms latency with Steam Link and that's just over WiFi, it's shockingly usable.

    There's something to be said about the convenience that off-the-shelf solutions provide over custom solutions, and that's coming from someone who typically always opts for custom solutions.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I've done this in the past with Raspbian and the official Steam client, and set up Steam to launch in Big Picture mode, and used an X-Box controller to control it. Problem was my PC was old, so games would peg my CPU and give me bad latency due to poor encoding performance on the PC side.

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  • [–] -5 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    While this is the correct answer, in my case, with my LG OLED acting as a PC monitor, I have to leave networking on or else I have to manually power it on and off with the remote.

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  • [–] 23 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    I've decided my next TV will be a Digital Sinage Display.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    I'm in the same boat... Somewhere out there, there MUST be a high quality panel with good contrast, viewing angles, and motion, WITHOUT the spyware garbage in it.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    The retail industry generally uses NEC/Sharp and similar displays, but they are expensive as they are metal-cased and built to run reliably all day every day.

    E.G. https://sharp.ca/en/product/business-displays-pnm502/

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/12/the-ars-technica-guide-to-dumb-tvs/

    tl;dr- don't connect the tv to a network, get an apple tv

    Digital signage displays are purpose-built for displaying corporate messages, often for all or most hours of the day. They typically have features that people don’t need for TV watching, such as content management software. And due to their durability and warranty needs, digital signage displays are often more expensive than similarly specced computer monitors.
    Again, it’s important to ensure that the digital signage is HDCP 2.2-compliant if you plan to watch 4K or HDR.
    But if you happen to come across a digital signage display that’s the right size and the right price, is there any real reason why you shouldn’t use it as a TV? I asked Panasonic, which makes digital signage. A spokesperson from Panasonic Connect North America told me that digital signage displays are made to be on for 16 to 24 hours per day and with high brightness levels to accommodate “retail and public environments.”
    The spokesperson added:
    Their rugged construction and heat management systems make them ideal for demanding commercial use, but these same features can result in higher energy consumption, louder operation, and limited compatibility with home entertainment systems.
    Panasonic’s representative also pointed out that real TVs offer consumer-friendly features for watching TV, like “home-optimized picture tuning, simplified audio integration, and user-friendly menu interfaces.”
    If you’re fine with these caveats, though, and digital signage is your easiest option, there isn’t anything stopping you from using one to avoid smart TVs.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago*

    For what we see nowadays in TV, I often thought to substitute it with a Fishtank, smarter content, HD 3D, true color and no spyware

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Enough is enough. If I ever buy a TV, I will personally tear out anything even remotely resembling an antenna (including destroying PCB antennas).

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I’ve never found a compelling reason to buy a TV. Now if computer monitors ever go “smart” then I’m in trouble.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Unfortunately, many have already gone "smart" in some capacity - which for me means doing anything I have not expressly allowed it to do. A relatively harmless example is my monitor sometimes deciding it needs to do "OLED protect" - and I cannot stop it from doing that sometimes. At least the idea behind that behaviour is legit (preventing burn-ins) - but ignoring the user's wishes absolutely not. A clanker that is my property will never get to tell me what it wants to do.

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  • [–] -5 points 10 months ago

    Dude. You bought an LG and gave it access to the Internet. What did you expect?

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    [–] 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    The only real way to be sure your TV isn't spying on you is to never connect it to the internet.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Even then, it may search for open wifis and connect itself, if possible remove the wifi module completely

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Thankfully, LG doesn't make disabling Live Plus too hard, though you do have to click through a few menus. If you want to turn it off, here's how:

    1. Press the Settings button on your remote (the gear icon).

    2. When the side menu pops up, select Settings.

    3. Chose the General option.

    4. Scroll down and select System.

    5, Select Additional Settings.

    6. Toggle Live Plus off.

    In the Settings menu on its TVs, LG says, "By turning Live Plus on, you understand that the content displayed on your TV can be recognized, and that the viewing information may be used to provide you with an enhanced viewing experience and personalized services including content recommendations and advertisements."

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Got an LG TV years ago. The Wifi broke within like two months. Honestly, it's a blessing, because it hasn't been connected to the internet since.

    Instead I got a Chromecast and a Xumo which spy on me instead. :\

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