The Bluetooth chipset installed in popular models from major manufacturers is vulnerable. Hackers could use it to initiate calls and eavesdrop on devices.

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[–] 80 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The site wants to share info with advertisers. I found this to be refreshingly honest.

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Anyway, can we get an archive link?

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  • [–] 79 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It’s strange to think about how complicit the public has become with this. You mean to tell me that 185 separate connections to other companies are required for me to… read an article?

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago

    Wired headphones stay winning

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Hah, jokes on them, I managed to fuck my earbuds' microphones so they're useless now.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I am the sweaty balls man and this happens often

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Why are your earbuds... in your pants

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    This really makes me hate that we don’t have headphone jack anymore

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    Ive always hated phones without the 3.5mm and won't stop even if all phone manufacturers remove it

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    At least you can still get adapters for phones that don’t have it :)

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Indeed, I don't really see the problem. Instead of a single use port you have a practically universal port. That's better, surely.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    instead of

    Yeah but it was never a matter of "insTeAD Of," it's in addition to, meaning you get to use the same favourite set of headpdones you use with literally every other device while keeping the practically universal port free for other purposes at the same time!!!! 🤯🤯🤯
    Now isn't that wizard?

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You can still do that with an adapter though?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Now here's the amazing bit: imagine being able to do that without needing to carry an additional thing around.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I guess I'm used to it. Besides, imagine not using a cable at all--even better?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I can insert a cable faster into my phone than most Bluetooth headphones connect. Audio quality also tends to be better with wired headphones and uses less of the battery power. A lot of the times a dedicated single use port is much better than a jack of all trades port.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    3.5mm is by far the better option for literally every reason headphones are designed for

    the only argument is when exercising, some people prefer to use wireless for the kinda of workouts they do

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  • [+] 90 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What is that site asking me to agree to? No thanks

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  • [–] 65 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Unchecked consumer-grade RF signals that are broadcast in every direction are insecure??

    Color me shocked!

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Every spy in my vicinity is going to be dancing to The Meters - Cissy Strut.

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    [–] 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Sounds like the attack scenario is very sophisticated and targeted, and only works within the range of Bluetooth low energy (BLE) connectivity, so 10-15 meters under best circumstances. At that point they might as well eavesdrop on my calls in person.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I think BLE is only required for the initial compromise (extracting the pairing key). After that the attack can be performed over classic BT, and can impersonate either part (headphones or phone) to the other.
    It's still very targeted and sophisticated, so no reason to panic unless you have reasons to think someone with the resources could target you.
    Regarding the attacks, they go way beyond eavesdropping calls, since BT headphones usually have access to contacts and smart assistants, that you can use to extract a lot more information

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    So glad I use wired earbuds and refused to buy a phone that didn't support them.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    LOL at the big debate I read just yesterday about how better wireless headphones are, and how useless jacks on phones are nowadays...

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Same. I can't find any Bluetooth headphones whose batteries don't die in 4 or 5 months anyway. Meanwhile my Moondrop wired headphones have been going strong for almost 3 years.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    My sony earbuds lasted 5 years before I decided to replace the batteries in them, which cost me $20 and 30 min. I would hope other earbuds wouldnt die in only half a year

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Which ones? I have 1004, they got fucked in the washer

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Mine are the WF1000XM3

    I still have never heard noise cancellation as good as those ones. I have a couple other pairs of earbuds as well, one set for side sleeping, and one set for water. I like to listen to audiobooks in the shower and the IPX7 ones have held up great

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I want exactly this set up. I need different ones for bedtime, swimming and everyday wear

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well, I can recommend the soundcore anker life A1 earbuds for swimming, and the soundcore sleep A20 for low profile earbuds that dont stick out of your ear. Went through atleast 4 sets (wired and wireless) of earbuds for each until settling on these.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I had a neighbor about 6 years ago that blasted rap at full volume every evening.

    rap booming in the background

    one fine day

    "hmmm, what were these headphones on bt again? wait... soundbar. I don't have a soundbar.

    hmmm, I wonder"

    device paired

    Jellyfin>Artists>..... Meshuggah

    Obzen

    Combustion

    play

    Volume 100%

    "I think I'll go to the store for a while!"

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  • [+] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This one is great for destroying speakers: warning super loud (turn down your volume before playing) https://m.soundcloud.com/osium-1/official-paul-walker-tribute-fast-and-furious-7

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    My old FM BT transmitter that let me connect to my car had a surprising range, bout about a 100ft in every direction which as I understand it they aren't supposed to be that strong. (Scosche brand from Best Buy)

    Used to tune it to the popular country station and jam everyone around me from listening to that station, which made me happy. Couple times when there was a particularly loud or obnoxious driver...I definately didn't blast porn hub with my stereo off in my car..

    Tangent.

    One of my last concerts I went to was Meshuggah

    Had a great time.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    So how do you determine if your headphones have the vulnerable chip in them?

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The flaws, discovered by German cybersecurity firm ERNW and first reported by Heise Online, affect dozens of headphone models from brands such as Sony, JBL, Bose, and Marshall, with no comprehensive firmware fixes available yet.

    • Sony WH-1000XM4/5/6, WF-1000XM3/4/5, LinkBuds S, ULT Wear, CH-720N, C500, C510-GFP, XB910N
    • Marshall ACTON III, MAJOR V, MINOR IV, MOTIF II, STANMORE III, WOBURN III
    • JBL Live Buds 3, Endurance Race 2
    • Jabra Elite 8 Active
    • Bose QuietComfort Earbuds
    • Beyerdynamic Amiron 300
    • Jlab Epic Air Sport ANC
    • Teufel Airy TWS 2
    • MoerLabs EchoBeatz
    • Xiaomi Redmi Buds 5 Pro
    • earisMax Bluetooth Auracast Sender

    ERNW emphasizes that this is only a partial list.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sony WH-1000XM4/5/6

    I don't have one of those, but they're pretty popular as headphones with good ANC.

    Jlab Epic Air Sport ANC

    I do have those, though.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    There's lots of money to be made by inserting a hardware back door in your product then later disclosing it as an unfixable vulnerability and force your customers to buy new hardware which has the same but different backdoor. Repeat.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Even if these attacks seem frightening on paper, the ERNW researchers are reassuring: many conditions must be met to carry out an eavesdropping attack. First and foremost, the attacker(s) must be within range of the Bluetooth short-range radio; an attack via the Internet is not possible. They must also carry out several technical steps without attracting attention. And they must have a reason to eavesdrop on the Bluetooth connection, which, according to the discoverers, is only conceivable for a few target people. For example, celebrities, journalists or diplomats, but also political dissidents and employees in security-critical companies are possible targets.

    I guess they didn’t point this out because it’s kind of obvious, but it sounds like they also have to actually be on to be exploited. So it’s not going to turn on and start listening to you at least. Definitely concerning, but I’m still gonna be listening to my audio books and podcasts with my wireless headphones.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    A speaker i have from bose is always on and "sleeping" and can be connected to from the phone no matter what i do, drains the fucking battery and when i want to use it finaly its dead.. wouldnt be surprised if some headphones worked the same..

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It sounds like they have some kind of wake function that it’s always listening for? I don’t think that’s a common feature in headphones just because of the battery drain, but they’re always chucking useless features on electronics so I’m sure some are floating around out there. I doubt it’s something you wouldn’t know about unless they were secondhand, though.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    It's BLE - Bluetooth Low Energy.

    Basically devices with BLE can listen for a wake-up command and turn on, similar to the "magic packet" of wake on Ethernet.

    Super convenient for "find my device" applications, also nice to be able to connect and activate the device without having to press a power button like a peasant.

    It also means that most devices with BLE end up flat within a month. I had a speaker with BLE and had to deliberately download a much older version of the Android partner app to turn it off, as they dropped the option to do so in later versions for "convenience". With BLE on it would be flat in about 6 weeks regardless of whether I'd used it or not , which really ruined ad-hoc usage for me.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    They said I was mad when they removed the headphone jack - well who’s mad now??! AHAHahahahaaaaaaahhhhcrap it’s me.

    I’m still mad. Fuckers.

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