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[–] 178 points 11 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 95 points 11 months ago (26 children)

    What does Obamacare have to do with working 25hrs a week max?

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  • [–] 189 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    Obamacare mandates employers offer healthcare to people working 30 hrs a week. A lot of places will only allow you to be scheduled for less than 30 hours a week, even if you are able and willing to go full time. It's stupid, but some people have convinced themselves that it's Obamacare's fault that their employer is shitty and the subsequent governments have been unwilling to close that loophole. It's also worth mentioning that employers did this even before Obamacare because there are other things that full time employees are entitled to that part time employees aren't.

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  • [–] 95 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Thanks. So OOP just has a shitty boss. Got it.

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  • [–] 95 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    OP also has a shitty mind set because he sides with the oppressor (his boss is the one denying him healthcare) and not the oppressed (everyone that can't afford healthcare).

    If he understood the situation he would not call it "Obongocare"

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Obamacare didn’t start that…

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    From my comment:

    It's also worth mentioning that employers did this even before Obamacare because there are other things that full time employees are entitled to that part time employees aren't.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (4 children)

    one of them is health insurance

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Also from my comment:

    Obamacare mandates employers offer healthcare to people working 30 hrs a week.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    even before Obamacare because there are other things that full time employees are entitled to that part time employees aren't.

    before Obamacare … other things.

    one of them is health insurance

    obamacare isn’t what you think it is

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    People often refer to the ACA as Obamacare. Obamacare did change requirements for employer provided health care, not just marketplace plans. So, prior to the ACA full time employees had certain benefits that part time employees did not. Post ACA there were changes to mandatory minimum benefits that employer healthcare packages provided. If you can articulate what the issue you are raising is, that would be helpful.

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  • [–] 84 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Also called it Obongocare which made me immediately lose any empathy to them for the racism, but it is 4chan I guess.

    99% likely they vote Republican based on the attitide also, which is the root cause of a lot of their complaints (min wage, shitty employee protections, expensive Internet [almost certainly one of the monopoly ISP areas], has to rely on a car because public transit is socialism).

    Yeah, the Democratic party sucks by and large for many other reasons, but id rather live in a D city than an R one any day of the week. /end obligatory response to "but Dems"

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  • [+] -7 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    99% likely they vote Republican based on the attitide also

    Are you sure it's real? Maybe they're just doing the racism bit for the shock value. You can post anonymous shit in 4chan without actually having any opinions on anything, and half the point of 4chan (AIUI) is getting reactions from people.

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  • [–] 37 points 11 months ago

    4chan users love playing Schrodinger's Racist, so we'll never know for sure.

    I just treat racism as racism, unless it is set up with the most obvious irony or sarcasm beforehand - this ain't, seems like a genuine whine at their real situation.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    Calling it obongocare is racist. Therefore, racist.

    Fucking insane mental gymnastics really

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (6 children)

    Also curious about that. Why not work more and cry less?

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    I commented above, but in the US some employers will refuse to give you more hours to keep you as a part time employee, since full time employees are guaranteed certain benefits. Those benefits include access to healthcare. They would rather hire 2 people part time than 1 person full time. This is not Obamacare's fault, but for some reason people in the middle of nowhere who make very little money have convinced themselves that it's Obama who's to blame instead of the shitty companies and their shitty owners.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I would also like to add, that it's sometimes almost impossible to have a 2nd part time job because one or both are not regular schedules. People won't know when they are working until the week before. If both jobs do this you will end up with scheduling conflicts.

    Like it would be better if you were scheduled the same 3 or 4 days a week and had the rest of the week off.

    At least then you could either chill or find other activities. But they want you at their mercy and constantly in crisis.

    Like you said, All Obamacare did from a company standpoint was make people no longer reliant on their employer for healthcare. So it has no bearing on 25 hr work weeks. Although with subsidies going away, a lot of people are becoming uninsured again.

    FMLA was 1993, so Clinton Required lunch breaks, etc are state laws, so not Obama OT pay and some other federal protections were pre-WW2

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Oh, definitely. And having 2 part time jobs, if you can manage it, often means you end up working more hours (25+25), and are still not given the benefits of a full time employee because you aren't technically full time anywhere. It's terrible and for what it's worth I do feel bad for anon here. They are drinking the right wing kook aid, which sucks, but it's an awful position to be in. There's comments calling them a moron or that they just have to make minor changes etc, but the reality is, especially in these small towns, there's not a lot of options and acting like it's the fault of individuals is really missing the point.

    For what it's worth, Obamacare did technically add to the employer burden by making good healthcare a mandatory offering for full time employees, so I understand why some people have convinced themselves it's the ACAs fault, but employers were doing the 25 hours thing to skirt other benefits way before Obamacare.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Interesting! In summary:

    Anon brags with above-average hourly wage. In the meantime, their employer will not let them work more to dodge paying social security.

    Anon proceeds to cry that they don’t earn enough money, even though they’re payed above-average.

    Anon‘s a moron.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    We were paid 19/h doing barista work working 30-39 hours (never allowed to hit 40 because they would have to give us more rights blah blah stuff) had to live in a tiny illegal room for rent and was barely surviving. After we saved up a little bit of money we moved into a van and now we’re in EU.

    Mind you, not flashily, not rich, not even making it. Had to get so much help friends and family and especially our significant other just to get here by the skin of our teeth and now that we’re here we’re struggling to even stay due to visa issues. So fucn scared to go back we literally cry almost nightly every day our last chance to stay here slips away only because we just need 1500€ euro more… hhh when will this stress end?

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  • [–] 151 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    Anon needs to redirect his hatred.

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  • [–] 31 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    born in 1949 Don't have to fight in a war

    Hmmm

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  • [–] 31 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Putting it in context, it's probably right. There are a lot of different swathes/classes of boomer, and the ones that would be able to do the listed in lines 7-10 are probably not the ones that were targeted for conscription in vietnam.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    No doubt, but at least we're acknowledging 'Nam.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    It's Korea that typically gets ignored in the US. In fact, that war does fall under the time-frame we're looking at and wikipedia says about 1.5 million were drafted for it.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Korea wasn't legally considered a war for bullshit political reasons for far too long and as a result veterans and families of veterans were denied benefits they should have received after giving some or all for the country now fucking them over

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  • [–] 92 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    I hate to break it to you 4chan dwelling normie fucking stupid shit head, but that 25 hrs a week is not because of the Affordable Care Act. It's because of greedy capitalist fucks who are squeezing you for every cent they give you to maximize profit margins well beyond what they need to for a healthy business model.

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  • [–] 33 points 11 months ago

    It's because of greedy capitalist fucks who are squeezing you

    A healthcare system that makes everyone dependent on employers really makes it easy for them.

    Medicare For All is about a lot more than just healthcare.

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Yeah that stuck out at me too. I love how the conservative media has thoroughly convinced the average dimwitted moron from flyover states that all of their problems are because of Obamacare and not because of the greed of their employer and the laws that they have enticed Congress to enact in their favor to prevent them from having to employ people full time.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Obamacare includes a minimum hour exemption and it should have been obvious to the authors of the bill that employers would cut hours to hit that mark.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    You're expecting people who are worth a minimum of 7 figures to consider the plight of people who struggle to maintain 5 figures. Companies were already lowering time employees worked to begin with regardless.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I'm saying the ACA was a bad bill that was never intended to help anyone but insurance companies. We shouldn't be shocked that it includes workarounds for other businesses. Of course it does. Obama and the others who passed it knew that when they passed it. Thats why they wrote it that way.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    It's kinda both. The ACA was based on Heritage Foundation work that was done for the benefit of insurance companies. Not much consideration was put into the behaviors it would incentivize in employers.

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  • [–] 29 points 11 months ago (28 children)

    $115 a month phone/internet? Are US prices really that insane? My phone is £4 a month for unlimited calls/SMS and got an unlimited data SIM for a 4G router that costs £24/month.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    That's about correct, idk what everyone else is on about, but my phone costs me $70 a month, and my Internet costs $60, and those were the cheapest plans I could get. Not to mention that the reason my phone bill isn't higher is because I had to buy my phone outright at $600.

    Shits expensive here, for no reason other than corporate greed.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Phone service is only expensive because your paying for the privilege of priority. Go with MVNOs and its reasonable, just the service is slower in congested areas.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    To add onto this, there are MVNOs for basically every carrier.

    Visible uses verizon, and their cheapest plan is $25/month, taxes and fees included. There's currently a promo that brings it down to $19/month for 26 months.

    Mint and metro uses tmobile. Metro offers unlimited at $25.

    Cricket uses at&t, they also have unlimited phone plans in the $25-35 range.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Anecdotally: I've lived in the sort of place he's describing and the internet was an overpriced monopoly. Farmers and people in larger cities both paid much better prices for better service. But the ISP had some deal where they had exclusive rights to run equipment on the power poles (or other companies needed their technicians present first or some bullshit which they would delay to the point of impracticality).

    At $115 he probably didn't get the lowest speed and could have done like $60 for internet and $40 for phone but yeah, I can believe it.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    4/5G, fuck their monopoly. If people leave they will have to actually compete. It's fine for gaming too, been using 4G for years without an issue. At some point I should upgrade my router to 5G though.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    If people leave they will have to actually compete

    Assuming people even have the option for a speedy, uncapped 4G/5G, or one with a very high cap. USA is known for abusive pricing on bandwidth, like "every GB used over 50GB will be charged 10 dollars"

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    that's cheap. i oftne pay well over $150 a month for basic interent and phone plan for single person.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (4 children)

    Oh wow, what companies do you use?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    verizon for both. it's the only choice i have.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    Damn, lack of choice sucks. Have you looked into visible wireless? They're a Verizon mvno, so they'll have coverage wherever Verizon does. Plans are in the $20-$30 range.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (10 children)

    No, it's definitely on the pricier side.

    $30/line is a common price for unlimited phone service.

    You can get home Internet for $40-$50/month.

    I think I pay 25 for Internet and 30 for unlimited phone.

    EDIT: in fact if you're income limited there are cheaper government subsidized plans.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    You can get home Internet for $40-$50/month.

    That's more like $100/month once the temporary pricing ends and the bullshit fees are applied.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    So the $40/month at mint isn't a promotional rate, and the $50/month price at Xfinity says it's good for 5 years.

    I mean you can find alternatives that do exactly what you're talking about, but I feel the examples I provided are valid, sustainable prices for Internet.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Why would you pay $30 for unlimited data and then pay another $50 a month on top of that for a second unlimited data? Unless you are running a bunch of servers for people outside of your LAN, what is the point?

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Don't know about US, but where I live, the "unlimited mobile Internet" is always "fast connection up to X GBs used, then you slow down to a crawl where loading a text-only website takes three minutes, but you're still technically not limited and can access the Internet" kind of deal.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Not sure exactly what they go with but it's never been a problem even downloading several big games from steam. I suppose if you want TBs a month you may want to look into the fine print.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I'm laying out what I think are reasonable options that folks would want. Unlimited cell phone data for $30 paired with a steady, low latency cable line for $50 seems to be a combination that most folks could use.

    It's definitely not optimized for saving money. You could save a lot of money if you wanted to focus on that. Helium mobile has a free 3gb/month plan, no credit card needed. For home Internet you'd be at the mercy of your local ISPs, but I'm sure there are more affordable plans that could be picked.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Most ISPs and cellular plans charge out the ass for arbitrary data limits and faster speeds in the U.S. Some areas have decent ISPs not trying to nickel and dime you but not super common.

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  • [–] 54 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    And this is why some people are voluntarily living in their cars, you can't save for shit when rent eats 2/3 of your paycheck

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    Which seems like a decent plan, untill your house breaks down or runs out fuel in the middle of nowhere, or your apartment gets impounded while you're at work or using the gym shower, or even just while you're sleeping in it..., and then auctioned off after the mail notice they sent to your last physical address was not responded to in time.

    Its basically not legal, anywhere in the US, right now, to live in a car and park it almost anywhere.

    You have to be hypervigilant, to survive this way, and ... that just is PTSD, it'll make you worse at your job, more likely to lose it.

    So we're basically just making a permanent, sub-proletariat class, thats just gonna get funneled into jail or some kind of concentration camp, probably just turned into some kind of functional, if not formal slave class, whether by debt or criminal conviction or both... within, I dunno, 5 years or less?

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I wish we lived in a society where the common belief was that a rising tide lifts all ships, instead of this pull yourself up by your bootstraps rugged individualism nonsense.

    Funny thing about that one, the original meaning of that bootstrap idiom was to mean basically impossible, and yet it’s used about as unironically as trickle down economics was

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    OOP can live alone and pay bills on part time minimum wage is insane

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