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[–] 61 points 11 months ago (27 children)

In Japan, there is tax benefits if your car fits certain dimensions. That's why there are so many small boxy cars in Japan. I don't understand why this isn't a thing anywhere else. It has so many benefits: Fuel economy, parking space, pedestrian safety, …

But no, "I can see better if I sit higher" is still the #1 killer argument for these urban tanks.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    There really does seem to be a kind of social cohesiveness in other countries. In America it's dog eat dog and fuck everyone else as long as I get mine.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Very much true in my specific limited experience.

    I live in a nice little town here in the US, and I'm a well educated middle aged white guy. It's safe to say that I get to see a pretty nice version of America even as horrible shit is happening all over the place.

    I've gotten to spend a few weeks in Sweden of all places over the past few years. Plus I got to see the insides of some airports in other places luke Belgium and Germany.

    There's just something different in the air over there, in a good way. I thought of it as a kind of dignity that came from respect for others as well as oneself, but I like how you call it social cohesiveness.

    I think some of the details around food and drink showed it best, and they make good examples because they apply to a mix of the general public.

    The food itself is obviously much better over there. Even things like the hotel breakfast or the cafeteria at a workplace had a huge variety of fresh, real foods as opposed to ultraprocessed manufactured branded products.

    But the dishes and utensils were some of the most interesting to me as an american. In places like an office cafe at work, or a local restaurant, or I think even an airport, they would have actual GLASSES, plates, and silverware. And on top of that, you would often return your dishes to the kitchen or even put them directly on to the dish washer rack waiting for you.

    This breaks my american mind. Fragile non-disposable cups in a public place? Other than coffee mugs on people's desks or restaurant glasses being dropped off and picked up with at your table, I'm not sure I've ever seen that within these borders. If you could use glasses and silverware in public places here, I can't decide what would happen first: somebody would get cut on one of the immediately broken glasses, or so much of the stuff would get stolen that they'd close it down.

    I like to call out their bathrooms too. The way we do it over here is big men's and women's restrooms with next to no privacy (it's one big room with flimsy floating dividers forming the toilet stalls) and stupid culture wars about who should and should not get their genitals inspected or whatever. Over there it's just several individual doors, each with a small bathroom. Much better privacy, no fodder for the bigots, and much better utilization of the resources.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    I feel like if I were in USA, confronted by that wall of

    ultraprocessed manufactured branded products

    and I asked for real food; ingredients to cook a meal from,

    it'd be like asking for water in Idiocracy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YZnORoAWkA

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Yeah there is a real trend in conservative culture (at least where I grew up) that fits right in with the rest of the anti-intellectualism. And it's not taught explicitly but it permeates social interactions.

    I'm trying to decide how to describe it... Basically, you look down on people who are trying to improve themselves.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (4 children)

    It's a cost thing, you can get fresh ingredients to make anything and lots of people do. But it comes down to price in terms of dollars and more importantly time. We gotta work 40 hours a week and usually an extra 5 to 10 unpaid commuting in cars we have to pay insurance on (liability in case we have an accident and hurt someone or their property, and if your car is nice liability in case someone hits it and doesn't have insurance) and fuel.

    And when so much of your time and resources are taken this way it's really easy to take the cheap processed route. Lots of times it's hard not to

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    During the time I was most impoverished, I survived (certainly not thrived) on eating mostly moong dal (mung bean kernels and rice ~ combined, they create a complete protien ~ or could use just hempseed/kernels (which would be cheap if we all grew it prolifically like we did a century ago before Bernays, Anslinger and Hearst messed us up)). About 10x cheaper than processed food. Moong dal was not ideal for my constitution and ailments, but 100x to infinitely healthier than replacing food with junk. There be cheap ways to eat healthy food. Just takes a little more thought and strategizing than just taking the cheap plastic wrapped junk. Sympathies for suffering the system that robs us of time and that little cognitive capacity to so strategize better. Every little effort to cease succumbing to it, the better.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah lots of folks do what you did and I think there's a kind of rugged individual thinking in that. Which is really favored in America but lots of people just do what the people around then do to. So if everyone eats chicken nuggies and tater tots and cheeseburgers then that's what you eat. Have you made kitchari? It's really hearty and good rice and dal. I just made a rice and dal and mirepoix lamb stew the other day. I was winging it though and it did come out super tasty, I kinda messed up the salt ratio I think. But it was hearty af, just kinda bland

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    kitchari

    Thanks. The very word for it. I forgot that. Thanks. Yeah.

    A little ghee, and a scrimp of meat and veg in with it, and it can go far, for cheap.

    Ayurveda has a lot of savvy for how to make things (very) tasty, satiating, and healthy. A balance of all six tastes, tweaked for dosha. Good stuff.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    In Finland, car sales tax and yearly tax are based on the Co2 output, and it worked quite well to keep most cars small, light and efficient. Until hybrid and electric cars arrived on the market, that is...

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    It's at least partially the American emission standards, which loosen the emissions requirements as the size of the vehicle grows.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I’m not buying that. Sure, what you say is absolutely true but we’re talking pedestrian deaths. That’s more of the fault of the high steel wall at the front, and that is purely a style choice.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    "I can see better" says so much about a person's psychology.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    And their relationship with reality. It always reminds me of that graph that shows a modern tank is less likely to hit a child in the road than a GMC Sierra.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Yeah, for sure. There's an element of failing to grasp basic concepts of physics here, intertwined with a psychology of not wanting to feel small I suppose.

    I tried to explain to my sister that you don't actually see more of the road when you sit higher up, it's just that the road takes up a larger portion of your field of view. You actually see less of the road because the part directly around your car (the most important part) is obscured. She thought I was twisting words and got angry. If we lived in the USA her 150 cm ass would be driving an F-150.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    I don’t understand why this isn’t a thing anywhere else.

    A lot of it is because companies want to support the macho American image of guns, trucks, and bacon.

    They know these insecure losers will spend more money to look tough in front of their idiot peers.

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  • [–] 44 points 11 months ago (13 children)

    Partly the ridiculous sized vehicles. Partly the fact that nearly every single person driving is watching Netflix, while browsing TikTok, while eating a big Mac and running late cause they have no time management skills. And they are driving 20-30 mph over the speed limit, full of road rage, with no concern for anyone or anything. The only person on the road that matters is them.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    American here living in a car-only area.

    I didn't even raise an eyebrow at that previous comment. Sure most drivers are fine, but there are plenty of people who make me wonder what the hell combination of these issues (and others) is going on with them.

    The most common example I get to see is the people speeding through the elementary school parking lot in their luxury SUVs. I especially love it when they start a phone call as they start driving, after they just finished standing around, collecting their kid, and walking back to the parking lot.

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  • [+] -4 points 11 months ago* (4 children)
  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    Let me introduce you to a figure of speech called hyperbole.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    You mean, I wouldn't care about them if I saw them up close, too?

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  • [–] 36 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Gee, there was no way they would have been able to change this....

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  • [+] 29 points 11 months ago* (1 child)
  • [–] 28 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    I propose we trick our fellow Americans by making smol cars offroady enough to embarrass an F150:

    Look at them! Who would want a rolling brick over that?

    And the Ford Focus is already mostly there.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    My stock Subaru can handle more off-roading than most trucks ever do

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    My old job had me going to a lot of places in very bad conditions and off road. I always drove an audi or a subaru and watched the lifted trucks spin out / go in the ditch / flip over / get stuck / and generally have a poor showing.

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    [–] 24 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    But I need a massive truck to carry groceries and 2 kids.

    /s

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    It’s literally style. Those pickup lifts often ruin durability and off-road capability.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    It's hilariously stupid. First, they lift the trucks to pretend they off road, then they have to put wide wheels and spacers because the idiotwagon is tippy, which sprays water everywhere, then finally the suspension breaks because of geometry.

    Two days ago near me. She was 75 and could not see the sidewalk or the building in her Barbie Boomer truck.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    How the fuck does a 75 yr old woman even climb into this thing? She must need a stepstool to do it, and I've seen people do exactly that.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    you can see the stepladder under the door, comes with the lift kit.

    Pretty hilarious to see some dude fall to the pavement trying to get out, or watch someone have to make 3-4 tries to get in. Elevators are next.

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Hood heights. You have pickup trucks that have to have a front camera now.

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago*

    The real horror is the trend. Between 2009 and 2023, pedestrian deaths rose a staggering 80%, while all other traffic fatalities increased just 13%. In a decade-plus span, pedestrians have been dying at a rate nearly seven times faster than population growth. This isn’t random. It’s the intentional outcome of systems designed to prioritize vehicles over people.

    Shameful and pathetic, what a material abandonment of the social contract.

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  • [–] 45 points 11 months ago* (10 children)

    The article doesn't talk about the fact that the increase is far greater in dark conditions, which is not readily explained by the changes to car design the article discusses.

    This article talks more about that, and the linked report suggests population trends have contributed to more people walking at night along arterial roads with poor pedestrian infrastructure.

    To be clear, daytime fatalities are up by about 40% in the interval shown, which is much more than the increase in population. Increasing vehicle size and hood height are real problems too, but don't seem to be the biggest factor.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Daytime fatalities are up 26.5% on this graph. Not good, but not 40%. Population growth was 8.5% over that period

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Vehicle numbers are also an important metric to look at, as they grew about 16-17% during the same timeframe. Add the two together and you're not far from 26.5%.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago

    I don't think you can just add those together since an added person will mostly also be an added car. In fact, since cars grew faster than people, perhaps there are fewer pedestrians now. We can't really say.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    There are sidewalks on both sides of the street in my neighborhood. People are walking 2 abreast in the street at night and joggers are commonly running about 4 feet into the street from the curb.

    Regardless of the article's findings, some people are just oblivious.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago

    Morons existed long before 2009. They are not a new phenomenon that accounts for a 40% increase in casualties. So your point, astute though it may be, is tangential to the article.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    What is the condition of your sidewalks? My sidewalks are uneven and a neighborhood grandma who I walk with still prefers the street even though my street is not well lit. Uneven sidewalks are a tripping hazard that can be avoided by walking in the street. Her vision isn't great so a paved stretch of road is just easier to walk with a flashlight.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I knew someone who did that because the sidewalks were too uneven. She had bad ankles and kept rolling them trying to walk in the sidewalk

    Since pandemic I’ve fallen twice because of bad sidewalks. It’s embarrassing as shit

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I tend to favor dark colored clothes all the time, but I carry a flashlight and I use it if there's a potential for close proximity to moving cars.

    I've noticed in some parts of the USA, people often walk in the street even where a sidewalk is available. I have to wonder about their survival instincts.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    The UK has among the lowest road deaths in the world.

    I'm not quite sure why that is (although anecdotally as a pedestrian, you seem to be treated like royalty in the UK in comparison to other places I've been - so much as glance at a zebra crossing and cars come to an immediate stop).

    Given how UK drivers often use summer tyres year-round, the weather is dark and cool, and the roads are usually damp, you'd logically expect poor results, but we see the opposite.

    Perhaps it's due to the rather strict yearly MOT safety check? Who knows.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    We need to switch to EVs to protect the environment

    But also no efforts to keep vehicles from getting bigger and heavier, which not only uses more resources (in construction and during use) but also increases danger to pedestrians and cyclists.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (1 child)

    What kind of EVs?

    The Aptera?

    https://aptera.us/vehicle/ ?

    Peter Perkins' Solar Powered Van?

    Peter Perkins' Solar Powered Van

    Peter Perkins' Solar Powered Van

    If we switch to painting the entire bodywork in cheap recyclable low-light efficient photovoltaic paint made from carbon buckyballs and nanotubules, and photovoltaic dyes in the windows... and hemp sourced graphene capacitor bank batteries, EVs could help protect the environment, yup.

    ... And likely help protect pedestrians and cyclists too... certainly far more than the high-mass high-inertia high-hood high-glare low-visibility SUV tanks going around.

    Edit: Hrmm... why'd those image links no work? http://www.evuk.co.uk/imgs/solarvan_ev1.jpg http://www.evuk.co.uk/imgs/solarvan_ev2.jpg Edit: Oh, because http not https?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    We need simple laws restricting vehicle weights. The hummer EV is 10000 lbs and wastes most of it charge just carrying around a stupidly large 3000lb battery pack. In a rear end collision, the car in front, and the car in front of that are all dead.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    My wife is a medical coder for the ED, for more than a dozen hospitals and says the overwhelming area for vehicle fatalities she codes is intersections crossing in front of traffic. Particularly trying to make the yellow. The plural of anecdote isn't data mind you, but she's been at this for 15+ years and has a pretty good sense of it.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    My similar anecdote is people taking a right on red without stopping (or apparently looking), and would probably be included in those statistics. Since there may be a pedestrian or cyclist just around the corner you can’t see until you’re at the intersection, stopping and looking is critical for safety

    I used to be a proponent of right on red, because who wants to be stuck at a dead intersection? If you only consider cars, it’s a nice efficiency gain. But now non-car users like pedestrians and cyclists don’t have a safe time to cross the intersection. And it’s so much worse now that people turning right on red seem to have forgotten the parts about “after coming to a complete stop” and “yielding to other traffic”

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    For sure! When driving downtown this is what freaks me out most while driving around. Last thing I want to do is hit someone.

    When in NYC and Makati it shocked me to see how flagrant people are with just crossing the street wherever. Two places I'll never drive, I'm not a good enough driver to not hit people in places like that.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    At least in Manhattan, traffic is usually slow enough that pedestrians are at least as fast. Also they tend to go as a crowd. I’ll usually wait for the light but when hundreds of other pedestrians swarm into the street I figure we’re fairly visible and safe.

    I would never drive in Manhattan simply because it’s the slowest and most frustrating way to get around. I used to drive around queens when I had a girlfriend there but we’d always take a train around the city, and I’m sure traffic has only gotten worse. It’s just not worth it

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago

    Those are pretty staggering numbers considering the population has only grown by maybe 12% in that same timeframe.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Options for reasonable sized cars is the US have decreased. Mega trucks ans SUVs are what sells, I guess.

    Part of this increase may also be because there are a lot of people out there driving like there are no consequences to their actions. Is it just because I am older, or are there more aggressive speeder out there?

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    Mega trucks ans SUVs are what sells, I guess.

    Unfortunately, people buy what they are told to buy through advertising and marketing. The demand for sports cars didn't dry up because people lost interest, but because better margins were found in large vehicles (and since emissions requirements were easier to hit for large vehicles than small powerful ones).

    If the auto industry decided small cars were more profitable, the entire marketing machine would start touting the benefits of small cars, and in a few years, people would be claiming they always loved small cars and are so glad they are back so they can replace their monster trucks with tiny hatches.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago*

    Options for reasonable sized cars is the US have decreased

    I think that's only true if you're buying an american vehicle, which you shouldn't be doing anyways unless you like shit that breaks.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I'd love to see EU numbers side by side for a fair comparison.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    A truck drove by me the other day that was so high up and had such a big body there is no way the driver could see anything 10 feet around the truck in all directions.

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