Why are you booing them, they're right.
Liberalism is literally the ideology of capitalism.
Why are you booing them, they're right.
Liberalism is literally the ideology of capitalism.
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/40097729
No kidding. I have that instance blocked for a reason. Please stop posting that rage-bait garbage here. If any of us wanted to see .ml content, we would go there.
imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism
I second this. I enjoyed reading Lenin’s Imperialism very much, but it also felt very dated (as it should, it’s well over 100 years old now). I can’t help but think that if Lenin were alive today, he’d agree. That doesn’t mean it’s not an incredibly important work that we can’t draw from today, but we should also understand how the world has changed since.
I haven’t read John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st Century yet, but I’ve heard it’s a very good update.
While I understand that it's statistically likely, I can't believe some people are actually named "John Smith" lol.
Can people not understand definitions that are longer than 5 words?
I dont understand why people on lemmy are trying to remove the meaning of every specific word related to politics, leaving a million synonyms of the same general thing and no word for a specific ideology
you've got it backwards: politics changes with the times and too many of us are intentionally taught to use the old definitions that stopped being applicable well before our great great grandparents died.
Nazi still has meaning today, but that doesnt stop people from calling any right wing extremist a nazi
Also, whats the point of creating more synonyms?
My head-cannon of the differences
US Socialist (social democrat) - Busses should be free for everyone.
US Liberal - Free bus passes only for poor people
US Right-wing - Let the free-market decide and somehow only allow US citizens to ride busses.
The free market will decide it's actually more profitable to shut down bus service entirely and pivot to helping ICE transport bus loads of "illegal immigrants".
Every time i hear an American say anything about social democrat they are just describing a normal liberal policy.
Technically you can be an anticapitalist and still not a leftist. You could be one of those weirdo turbo conservative monarchists.
It's not just weird, it's materially impossible. History doesnt move according to big ideas exclusively, the main driver of history is materialism. Feudalism gave way to capitalism not because someone conceptualized capitalism and made it become real, but because the historical development of feudalism led to the primitive accumulation process of capital, the progressive appearance of a bourgeois class, and this was accelerated by western imperialism and the exploitation of resources in the global south by European powers.
Once the accumulation of capital had taken place and the main economic driver of the economy had become capitalism, it was impossible to return to feudalism, capitalism became a historical necessity. A return to feudalism is simply unfeasible.
It's not just weird, it's materially impossible.
I was mainly talking about the people being weirdos. Every monarchist I've ever run into have been extreme oddballs.
That doesn't mean there aren't people who do believe we should return to feudalism though.
Curse this ai slop. The fake crayon thing is really bugging me, like. Crack open a box and put a few hours in if you mean it, super accessible style
From a human perspective it's icky and you come across like 1950s propaganda to make commies look bad. When people express themselves they... you know what, I'm just gonna leave it at "ai sucks". Simulated human output, our entire selves slurped up and analyzed to be extruded by a corporation, if your self-defined "marxist perspective" has an excuse for that it can eat my ass
Your only point is:
The impactful thing here is your output, not that of the slop machine, and I don't think it's having the influence you'd hope for mr. downvote
The difference is whether we're engaging with one another collectively or being engaged by a machine in isolation. If we couldn't tell the difference we would be "cooked" and it would be "so over" as the kids say. This is why it's important to care about the human element, freebasing materialism has apparently caused you to dismiss your fellow man as confusing baggage
Further, this (thankfully) doesn't seem very well-recieved, I would say in large part because it is thoughtless, souless, trite, mechanized slop. It's making a room full of countercultural system-smashers who would otherwise agree with at least the general sentiment stop and think that you suck too
We love gross generalizations. Most people I meet just don't really think about it in those terms. I'd say it's probably more accurate to describe liberal voters as not being anti-capitalist
Now a liberal politician? Yeah 100% pro capitalism
Yes, but the above one is the most consistent and historically correct that would cut down all those discussions.
Anytime someone says liberal on Lemmy it will mostly likely refer to modern liberalism in the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_liberalism_in_the_United_States
Lowkey yikes. I don't want to associate myself with either graphic
Because the Soviets were assholes. I didn't realize that would be controversial. I wish folks wouldn't restrict the concept of anti-capitalism to the ussr. Raised fist? Red and black?
What assholes, liberating millions of feudal peasants and modernizing an entire country and eliminating hunger and poverty and spreading literacy and giving women rights and revolutionizing agriculture and medicine and defeating the nazis and inventing space travel and supporting liberation movements around the world. What absolute pricks.
Edit: just saw you lower down being relatively chill
I was going to send a DM to cowbee, but it may be worth knowng for others. I'm a bit older and may be a "normie" leftist with moderate anti-cap views and have unexamined prejudices about the USSR. I liked what I read from Lenin/Marx (one work each, i know!) but don't like the reality of what I know of Stalin so don't want that association. After reading some more, I'll reexamine the USSR prejudices. So thanks to cowbee and folks who didn't assume malice
Civil and Fair, so thanks. I'll also pay more attention to the instance in the future if only to not be so baffled. Even if folks consider the Soviets progressive for the time, my 2 cents is that tying modern anticapitalism to the realities of USSR, especially Stalinism, does a disservice to progressive movements and even Marxism. But as you say, it's a minority opinion, so I'll accept my downvotes. Thanks again
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