Wasn't Rocky Horror shot on an absolutely shoestring budget? I feel they deserve a lot of leeway for that.

That's absolutely true.

And one of the many reasons Hotel was the greatest season of American Horror Story. Everyone, but especially Evan Peters, seemed to be having the best time. It felt like good theater.

And, of course, every muppet movie.

the leads can't act

Hey! I'll have you know that Jean-Claude Camille François Van Varenberg (better known as Jean-Claude Van Damme) CAN act!

He was just too humble to show anyone until 2008!

Zak Snyder makes AMAZING visuals and set pieces.

I have never been able to set the brightness high enough to see them though.

George Lucas can do world building that's a kilometre wide and a millimetre deep.

So many things that hint at depth: space ship models that are dirty, droids that are both futuristic but also somehow junky. Quick turns of phrase that make something seem both alien and familiar, like "moisture farming". But, it seems like in all his world building he's never once asked himself "Why?"

I'm convinced he's trying to see if there's a limit to how many mental backflips an audience can take before they start to reign him in.

But before Tenet there was Primer, and it was a cult hit.

Dancer in the Dark

In the same sense the point of food is to get you full. There's more nuance to it.

Some movies are intentionally not fun, because their message isn't about fun things.

Leaving Las Vegas isn't fun.

Nah movies are ranked on a set of objective criteria such variety and use of color, the use of varied angles, runtime:budget ratio, and so on. Technically speaking the best movies are usually produced by accidentally dropping a cellphone from a hot air balloon

Children of Men, good movie, not fun

Schindler's List is not a fun movie.

I think you should read my previous comment again.

One can have fun watching a bad movie. One can have no fun watching a good movie.

Having fun is always a valid reason to watch a movie. And making a fun movie is a valid pursuit.

Buuuut at the same time movies can be more than just fun and some people really want that.

Expecting a movie to be more than just fun can lead to let downs.

Tl;Dr people take movies too seriously

Movies are art, the point of art is to elicit emotion. If a movie does that, it's probably a good movie.

Imo if it's fun then it's good, but being fun isn't the only path to "goodness". Lots of good movies out there that are the opposite of fun

No idea why you’re getting downvoted. Did all the lemmings forget how to experience joy? If you like the art, it’s good art. That’s the whole point.

And that assuming "enjoyment" is a single metric, because in the matter of fact, it's an overall score with the combination of everything the critics use. If i like it i like it, figuring it out why and justify it is part of the critics job.

If you wanna translate that into food, then the good food will taste good and bad food will taste horrible.

Valocipastor is a bona fide masterpiece. Quietly confident that the sequel will also be fun.

'So bad it's good' is one of my favorites. But you have to be prepared going into it. If you start a 'so bad it's good' film wanting something decent, you'll be disappointed. If you go in planning to enjoy the terrible, ridiculous, and ridiculous and/or banality, you'll probably enjoy it. If that's your thing.

My favorites of this genre are 'Hobo with a shotgun', 'Dead Snow' (sequel is actually good), and 'rubber'.

Madame Web was actually so fun to hate watch. Take a shot every time she opens a soda.

They implied that they had no fun though.

Yeah, there are good bad movies and bad bad movies.

Right?!? Another thing is that plot lines are reused a lot. Often movies feel so very shallow and to me.

The most recent movie I likes a lot was "Everything Everywhere All at Once". That felt like something unique to me.

Film is a medium that is truly coming to its technical maturity while also being at or near the absolute height of our artistic powers as a civilization. That's why it really sucks that at that same moment, studios are more risk-adverse and money driven than ever.

I didn't want to be a film snob, but I feel like I have to go indie these days to see anything worth my time.