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[–] 61 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

There's really 4 5 spaces in the main internet:

  • the public corporate web (YouTube, Facebook, twitter, Reddit, etc)
  • the private corporate web (requires login to view any content, Software as a Service, Cloud Apps, Gmail, etc)
  • the public web (Wikimedia, Wikia, Archive.org)
  • the indie web / small web
  • private web - inaccessible except through login or through VPN or TOR/Onion, but not corporate (media servers, email servers, darkweb, file servers)

And currently the main issue is that the corporate web is intentionally trying to strangle the other spaces on the web.

But there are some movements against it, https://indieweb.org/ and https://neocities.com/ and https://smallweb.cc/

Edit: missed one of the spaces

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    That's just private web with extra steps, really

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  • [–] 117 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    It'll be super weird to pirate free youtube videos, but I'll fuckin' do it.

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  • [–] 34 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    I guess yt-dlp everything lol

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    I'm assuming that mandatory ID checks would make yt-dlp not work

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Unless you have access to an age-verified account(that is not yours), in that case you can just pass the cookies

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    They are going to start permanently banning people from YouTube by ID if that becomes popular enough

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Grayjay and Newpipe (and its forks) can do that, as well as just watching it like regular youtube, but also the option to select from other platforms - like peertube, as one example - to watch.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    I use FreeTube, but this doesn't seem like a "youtube piracy" solution because it is streaming the content directly from youtube, which can ultimately prevent access; I already am blocked from watching certain videos that require you to be logged in to watch.

    The problem is basically, if there is a specific youtube video you want to watch, but youtube insists that you must provide ID to see it, right now I don't think there's actually a lot of recourse for that because there are too many such videos for anyone else to actually host them or offer torrents or anything.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I built a little Python app that's just a big Download button on top of yt-dlp. Copy the link, hit the button, it downloads the video to my Jellyfin folder so I can watch YouTube videos on Apple TV without having to tolerate ads every three minutes.

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  • [–] 142 points 11 months ago (29 children)

    Between the age of my account and the fact I pay for premium, if they ever ask for ID they can go fuck themselves and I'll go back to as blockers and fresh accounts

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (12 children)

    I still have the original Google Play Music All Access intro deal of $7.99/month from 2013.
    They contractually can't raise the price on me ever. 12 years so far.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    I couldn’t keep paying for it in good conscience when they killed the original Play Music app and along with it: their awesome selection of curated playlists, the best library organization I’ve seen before or since, and the critical one, the ability to upload your own music that wasn’t available already. I just can’t stand YouTube as a music organization platform.

    Edit: Oh! And not to mention the I’m Feeling Lucky button that somehow no one else has managed to replicate.

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  • [+] 6 points 11 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

    That's how much I pay for YouTube Premium.

    I also buy CDs, or Bandcamp downloads directly for those I really like, and want to donate to.
    I "curate" whole discographies of stuff that I want to "archive".
    But when someone recommends music I haven't heard of, I load up their most popular stuff on YouTube Music and listen to a bunch there, ad free. Then decide if or how I obtain more.

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  • [+] 2 points 11 months ago (5 children)
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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    I mean, people pay for Netflix or Amazon or whatever, why is YouTube different? It's my primary video platform and I watch more than 50 hours a week (I'm low balling that number to hell as well).

    While paying is more convenient for me than breaking their shit, I'll pay. Also means creators actually get paid for my views as well

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  • [–] 40 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    nothing wrong with that.

    you support the people you watch without having to see ads. also, comes with YT music.

    it's a pretty good deal

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  • [+] 17 points 11 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    yeah, that is definitely a trade-off

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Look into browser Finger printing. The logged out parts does not do much nowadays.

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  • [+] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)
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  • [+] 46 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 89 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Imagine YouTube telling you to submit ID to prove that your 20 year old account is 18+ lmao

    Also, imagine living in a country pretending that it's amazing while they treat their citizens like they do... United States of North Korea vibes

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  • [–] 37 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Gotta support alternatives such as Peertube, Nebula.. so there are nice places to find videos as YouTube becomes worse and worse.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    It's almost impossible for any of those to suceed beyond being niche because its not viable to run against the economics of scale and the practicality of the corporate solutions provided by the Big Techs companies in capitalist countries.

    Believe me, I've tried to talk to real people about the dangers of sending data to a single company like Google (Alphabet) or Facebook (Meta) and depending on that for media comsumption, how it can and how it's really used to manipulate public opinion on countries... The fact is that for non-tech and non-privacy minded people (which I'd sure Must be 99.9% of the population) they really don't seem to care, they just wanna a "free" service that they turn on the TV and there are the videos of their "influencers" or YouTube channels to watch, on YouTube I really hate how it shoves ads like there's no tomorrow nowadays every 5 minutes, but I also understand there's a cost to run their business, I, myself, if were to pay for similar service provided without ads I'd pretty sure the YouTube Premium offering would still being a bargain since Google's infractucture and running costs are really optimized.

    So yeah, I really don't believe any capitalist country can compete with the Big Techs companies, they are probably deeply rooted into common user behavior in all capitalist country, in the capitalist "democracies" it's impossible to lobby against them in privacy concerns since they can easily sway public opinion in their favor with invisible chances to their content delivery, so anyone trying would have to have a lot of resources to do so (a popular movement without money funding in a capitalist society is basically doomed, theres a very pow chance to suceed imo) and any national alternative, or any actual alternative to their services is almost impossible to suceed since they already have their economy of scale set up with minimal costs and they can also run years on and on with a loss untill any competition does due to being unable to compete with their lower artificial prices.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I don't know how or why you see ads on YouTube. I have been using firefox and before that whatever else, for a very long time. I have not seen an ad of any kind on YouTube in many MANY years. And since sponsor block came out I've only seen a few that managed to slip through. I just fast forward. But why would anyone suffer YouTube with ads? You're volunteering for it at this point because it's insanely easy to block them.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    This just proves you are not the average user of YouTube...

    The average user of YouTube user either their TV app or their official mobile app, not the website.

    Me too, I also use adblockers when accessing it via the website in my computer, however when I'm watching things on living room I have to use the official apps.

    So yeah, most users suffer with their ads because it's easier to use the official apps.

    YouTube app already comes installed in most Smart TVs, already comes installed in almost all Android phones (which is majority of the marketshare worldwide)...

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Yeah I wasn’t thinking about these things, you’re right. I mean, even with β€œSmart” TV (don’t get me started) I have a media dedicated computer with a small footprint attached and I do everything via that.

    I don’t use any tech that I’m not fully in control of, unless I have no other choice. The tv thing I completely realize is the minority case. I know only tech geeks who have the knowhow are doing anything like that.

    The whole smart tv thing is irrelevant to me because it’s such a scam. They stop updating apps after a certain amount of time, forcing the users to just chuck a perfectly good tv and buy something new because apps are no longer being maintained on that one. Such a fucking scam. But P. T. Barnum called it long ago, β€œThere’s a sucker born every minute.”

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  • [–] 28 points 11 months ago

    I will use free tube as long as it functions. Wish my creators would go somewhere else.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    My account is old enough to drink in most of the world. They better not try and age verify me lol.

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    The article says they take the age of your account into factor. You should read it.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I just don't believe them. They will find a way to screw it up with AI, the same way they've screwed up youtube moderation.

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    The article also states that this system of age verification is already in place. Have you been asked to provide ID yet? No? Then you're fine.

    Again, you should read the article.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    YouTube uses a pretty wide variety of signals from across your Google account, including the age of your account, the types of searches you’re making, the types of videos you’re watching, and which apps you’ve downloaded, to make this estimation.

    Account age is one factor that will be considered. Who's to say their AI won't screw up weights for the other factors and decide that someone is a child because they primarily let their kids use their account (bad practice, but not unheard of from stressed parents)? What happens when you aren't a youtuber with an audience that can get the attention of actual human beings?

    Google has already made AI-related errors with moderating youtube. I will trust what they say after it's been proven.

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/10/youtube-denies-ai-was-involved-with-odd-removals-of-tech-tutorials/

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Gonna be fun if they ask me to verify my age. My account is old enough to drink.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    Guess I need to get off of GMail more urgently.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    I have Tuta, it's good enough. Lots of storage for the price compared with others.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (7 children)

    Tuta

    So, can't use that with Thunderbird, I suppose?
    Well, at least the open source client would be useful.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (6 children)

    True, using Thunderbird would be a useful thing to be able to do. I'm always on the lookout for more or less useful alternatives, even to Tuta.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (5 children)

    Although the encryption is a useful feature, I don't really expect that from mail.
    And if were doing internal communications with a company with that level of security and privacy requirement, I would be using their on-premises mail server.

    I have been considering Proton, mostly. My main goal being, not randomly losing access to my mail account due to some AI bs.
    Though I am not sure if they might end up requiring stuff like "Video ID".

    And if it comes to paying for a service, I will also start comparing it to the cost of a domain name and a static IPv6 address, because I already have plans to run a server.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Fair. I'd love to hear why someone down-voted you. I don't respect these down'n'dashers. 🫀

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Maybe someone who has been de-federated from my instance, considering I don't see a downvote.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Hmm, I changed the settings in my Lemmy client to see split votes (down and up votes), and there's no down votes, but also no up votes, as if you perhaps removed your own up vote from your posts. πŸ˜…

    Someone down voted my comment though for some reason. Gosh. I don't mind the votes, I just want to have a discussion... That's why we're here, isn't it. At least why I'm here.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    That's what I said about my IP. Now I can't watch YouTube. I mostly just use PeerTube

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    What do you even do there? I can almost never find anything to watch on PeerTube.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I alredy quit youtube when commercial crap hit the fan. Never used Zuckerbergs surveillance anyway. Very happy to spend more time on my real life

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    i watch it, but it has to be adblock, otherwise it becomes intolerable.

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  • [+] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Smarttube is amazing.

    It's a little buggy sometimes, but I assume that's because Google is trying to keep other front ends from bypassing their ads. Smarttube gets regular updates, so it's never a problem for long.

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    Just curious why is this entire thing even in the Android community? This is a privacy topic or a YouTube topic etc. There's nothing about it that ties it to Android. Can we keep stuff like this out? It's just one more topic that devolves into politics, scare speculation etc. Just read the comment threads if you need to see.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Exactly. People needs to know Android is not Google

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    when over half of the bug fixes and security patches come from Google, it's a Google product.

    and I'm saying that as an android user from /e/OS

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Thats a google product but google apps and android are two diffrent product or atleast should be

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Should be but at this point basically aren't.

    You can't run AOSP on most phones and if you could you wouldn't get the user experience most people expect from a phone.

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  • [+] 8 points 11 months ago* (4 children)
  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I myself have degoogled android device without bootloader locked. I have multiple devices with stock and custom ROM. With adb or other GUI tools you can go 95% degoogled without causing any breakage

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