tech savvy ppl and non-techy ppl both dont like Edge, Bing and copilot

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[–] 38 points 11 months ago

You forgot the panel where the tech savvy people wash their hands afterwards

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  • [–] 69 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Something about Microsoft UI just feels so off for some reason. Material UI, Apple stuff all feels good to use but clicking on a button in Microsoft UI is just... bad.

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  • [–] 43 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Windows-only users would never know, but people who've either used a modern mac or linux computer will understand.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    I have Linux on my gaming PC, a Windows laptop at work and regularly work on a Mac to test stuff. I literally don't see what you people love so much about the Mac UI. "Same but different", sure, but nothing groundbreaking.

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    I think because they try so hard to be edgy (eheh) and different from the others, by constantly trashing known tested paradigms, refusing to fix known problems, all whike trying to invent the "brand new thing" that nobody wants and never reallt works out.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Tech savvy people like Duckduckgo, Duckduckgo uses Bing under the hood

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  • [+] 4 points 11 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Ah, finally someone using the European open Search index?

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  • [–] 39 points 11 months ago

    What I find interesting is when typically non tech savvy people start using things like Brave.

    Goes to show how shit the tech industry is

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago

    Did I tell anyone about that time that I use arch?

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago

    i like edging

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  • [–] 39 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    In my experience non-techy people just don't know what Edge and Bing are.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Which "non-techy people" are we talking about here?

    Nowadays some people only use smartphones or maybe tablets, and they might not know that. But most non-techy desktop users still use Windows and they certainly ought to know the default browser (and its search engine) on their OS, I would think.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I'm talking about people on Windows desktops. They don't know what Windows is, they confuse Office with Windows all the time, they go online through the "internet symbol" which is their default browser that they don't know the name of. Google is their default search engine and they've never seen any other search engine.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    If Google is their default search engine, they must at least be tech-savvy enough to have changed the search engine in Edge, or installed another browser (probably Chrome).

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    I love how you guys go "oooh, tech savvy this" and "tech savvy that", but you consider Chrome to be something fundamentally different than Edge without some extra features.

    Buddy, it's all Chromium. Sure, the telemetry data goes to MS instead of Google, but that's it, that's all the difference there is. Ignoring, of course, all the extra stuff MS has added, like vertical tabs, mouse gestures, etc.

    "Tech savvy people use the Chromium with Google telemetry instead of Chromium with extra features and MS telemetry!!1", lol!

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago*

    They might know the icon; they probably don't know its name tho.

    And in my experience, non-tech people use the default browser and its default search engine. If they hate it, they certainly don't show it.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Not OP, but I have been meaning to talk to my Ubuntu admin about Intune on his systems so we can use conditional access on them.

    With how difficult it had been to get macs setup, I have a feeling Edge will be the only way it works.

    So in enterprise situations....I'd say "Plausible".

    Personally I mostly use Firefox on Linux, but Proxmox gui doesn't handle that so well...so for that I have an App-isized Ungoogled Chromium window.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Am an admin, funny thing about conditional access, we use various conditions but one is geolocation; we bar all logins outside of three countries relevant to our workers. We employed it mostly due to a continuous low-threat brute force campaign targeting a few exposed accounts that my data analysis had identified. In testing it out from Red Team’s perspective I quickly realized that conditional access will indeed prevent a login outside of the whitelisted countries, but it will gladly let the attacker know that the reason the login failed was due to conditional access and not an incorrect username/password. So all Red Team has to do is brute force the password and then VPN over to our country of operation and they’re in.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    Non tech savvy people don't care which browser they're using. A lot of them do actually use Edge, since it comes with Windows.

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago (18 children)

    Edge is just Chromium now (so worth hating still, but for different reason), and Bing has its uses. Hell, isn’t DuckDuckGo basically Bing?

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    Like I said, it’s one of the engines that drive DuckDuckGo. These days I only turn to Google on the rare occasion that DuckDuckGo fails me, so Bing gets some appreciation from me there.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago*

    Not just DuckDuckGo - the majority of search engines and voice assistants that aren't Google use data from Bing. It's the largest search engine that has a public API. Even search engines that have their own index usually use Bing to supplement their results.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Id feel better about DuckDuckGo if it wasnt shoehorning ai

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    DDG seems fairly gentle about pushing it though.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    Unfortunately even most DDG results are just ai slop now.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Something really cool you can do though is block sites from showing up in the results.

    So if you're looking up Linux answers for instance and you keep coming across "First of all, what is a Linux, we're going to..." Ai slop sites, you can click thr 3 dots next to the result and tell it to blacklist that site.

    Not perfect, but definitely helps!

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    You're quite limited on how many sites you can block. I at least try to report them, but it's 90% of results and ai just keeps generating new domain names. Welcome to homehelpfixshowervalve.com!

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Oh my gosh the hyper-specific domain names are the WORST. ☠️

    It's like a dream come true for all those get-rich-online-Lambo-selfie-bullshit-artists!

    But having to pay for those domains, and ad eords worth much less now, how the heck is this strategy even worth it I wonder?

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    Bing used to be better than Google for a time but it has gotten worse too to the point where I use Google again. Edge is, IMO, unfairly maligned. It's a perfectly good browser, although Microsoft begging me to use it is quite annoying.

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    if im using chromium, it's gonna be vivaldi

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Can it set the bookmarks bar to only show up on the new tab page yet?

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    Google is fucking unusable as a search engine now. Bing is literally better now if you block the AI part.

    Was searching for something very simple. Google literally wouldn't find it. Changed the search terms multiple times.

    Tried bing and it literally popped up as the first result with the same first search I tried on Google.

    This isn't a one time thing either. Give me an alternate to Bing. But Google is literally hot garbage now.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Edge is actually pretty great. Bing…well, the image search is okay.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    Don't knock Bing Videos, either. It's the best porn search engine in existence.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, this is "tech" "savvy" people, not actual people who understand tech.

    The current version of Edge is literally just Chrome with extra bells and whistles.

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    [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    I love edge...

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Honestly, the preinstalled spyware aside, Edge is a pretty good browser. It's, like, Chrome but better

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Edge is a pretty good browser.

    Setting aside my requirements to minimize spying and avoiding big tech. I agree.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    in the meanwhile im using Zen Browser.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Im dumb, whats the w logo?

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Waterfox. It started out as a 64-bit build of Firefox for Windows, back when Mozilla didn't offer that yet. These days, I believe, it just offers a few different defaults...

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    Like librewolf its basically firefox without mozilla bs
    And it also has an android version

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Bing is a better search engine than Google, but both are pale imitations of their former selves. It's amazing how bad search has gotten in the last ~5 years

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I hate Bing but right now I am sour on anything Google.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Not true in my experience, I would say the majority of windows users I see these days use edge and bing. Most don't use copilot though

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I know this is the wrong place for this but I like edge.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Where is Vivaldi?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I'm using Edge and Bing right now, on Windows 11

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    I'm tech savvy, and I dislike Firefox.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    Any particular technical reason?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Past experience where they sucked it up. I used to be a Firefox apostle spreading the good word, then they start getting worse when chrome was getting hot. And it's been so easy to stay on chrome with no issues over the past 12 years that I haven't had any inkling to move back. There was a hard minute where Firefox sold out and shared data, sold it, and just wasn't great.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    Isn't Chrome the one known for sharing data?

    I've been using primarily LibreWolf for almost a year and have not had any trouble using just Firefox based browsers for over three years. (Before then I needed Chromium for M$ teams occasionally)

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    And honestly at this point every browser pretty much out there shows data one way or another. And for a good hard minute Firefox was notoriously selling data because they were bleeding dry on their foundation and they needed to earn money so they decided to sell user data. At that time Chrome was much more secure and they don't necessarily sell data as opposed to sharing data with themselves.

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