A lot less versatile and a lot more disruptive to the community.

Not entirely against them but I dont have them a the gold standard.

It’s never enough for you people.

Then you need to cable all the roads of bits networks. That seems expensive. Incidentally the tram line my city is building will be battery powered for part of its route, as they're not allowed to string pantograph wires in one area. It's mostly on wires

But.. But think about the battery megacorps!

Kinda hard to do that in the suburbs.

We have nearly all electric buses here in Oslo now, and whenever I wind up on a diesel bus I think I'm going to get hearing damage

Electric buses are far from silent, but WOW the amount of noise and stink we've just been tolerating with fossil fuels is insane. Even absent climate change, that'd be worth switching to electric vehicles.

What is the source of energy to produce the hydrogen? The carbon footprint of hydrogen is pretty bad unless you have abundent renewable energy.

I hate to say it, but trolley cables are ugly, at least where I've seen them. It makes the streets look like old times, when each building or home had a dedicated cable going to it from a pole.
I know it's better than batteries, but is there no other way?

That was true of old trolley buses.

and when the driver doesn't use the regen braking properly, resulting in a very jerky ride

Yeah..... We kinda solved this problem in the late 1800's. Overhead electric or powered third rail (depending on need) is really peak public transportation when it comes to cost and efficiency over time.

People always harp on the infrastructure cost when it comes to rail, but turn a complete blind eye on extreme cost of things like road maintenance and need for lane widening caused by everyone driving huge ass half filled busses everywhere.

Road maintenance is one of the largest expenses for most states in the US, and it's largely so much worse than other countries because our dependency on the trucking industry. We're all basically constantly subsidizing the trucking industry at great cost instead of funding adequate public rail.

I was excited when we started getting electric buses here, then I learnt we used to have trolley buses until the mid 70s. At least we got a tram line in 2021 so that's great

So you're saying the better alternative to electric busses is...electric busses

Zagreb, Croatia.

Here in north america many of our school buses are diesel and they spit so much black smoke the back of the bus is often tinted with soot. Try not to get any respiratory conditions on your way to school kids!

Diesel buses pollute badly. Both emissions and noise.

It's a somewhat low hanging fruit. And every little bit counts

We should not make perfect the enemy of good

They are just better vehicles, both in terms of local pollution, and in terms of propulsion, even if it is green washing.

As long as they can last all day then charge enough overnight I think they are a big improvement. Air and noise pollution sucks with diesel.

My fear is in extreme cold places, where EVs tend to have issues.

Like a lot of things, this case has multiple sides and is not as simple as calling it green washing.

On one side, a packed diesel buses is far more efficient and probably pollutes less per person than an electric car with a single occupant. So in a way, it's indeed putting efforts on something that's not very high on the list of things that pollute.

On another side, diesel buses are still polluting and the local transit authority here has a multi decade plan to electrify them. It has its own studies, and studies from the nearby universities, showing that electric buses can be attractive and effective for different types of routes, and less for others. They are replacing the buses according to this plan and it's nothing to be against. I don't consider this green washing, coming from a transit society, but it's an easy target.

But yeah, electric buses from your transit society is a nice plus. However diesel buses are also just fine, and even desirable, if you use them as an alternative to driving and to reduce pollution from car traffic.

This reminds me of an old meme that I kept.

I'm not sure I follow your logic. The environmental impacts of manufacturing will be averaged out faster with something that's getting a lot of use, and targeting the efficiency of something that gets continuous use has more impact.

Throwing away busses to switch would be silly, but it's a perfectly good idea to switch as you maintain your fleet. Your alternative is buying more diesel busses, which... No, building a trolley or tram system which is more expensive and less flexible, or rebuilding cities to be livable without needing vehicle transportation, which isn't happening soon and has trouble for people with mobility issues like the elderly without other some accomodation.

In some places that had trams, electric buses will connect to the tram power lines and charge up a bit (or at least use less of their stored energy) while in those areas.

They always put a promo sticker when introducing new buses into the fleet.

It says Iveco on the wheel.