Sony believed that they had so much market share that they could make a console that was leaps and bounds more complicated to code for, which would lock devs in and prevent them from going elsewhere, and they’d just have to suck it up because of said market share. Sony was wrong, and they lost out big time that generation (although they did manage to win the Blu-ray vs hd-dvd format wars).

Microsoft seems to believe they have so much market share that they can force people to upgrade to a privacy invading, ai infested piece of crap, and that everyone needs to suck it up because market share.

I’ve already started hearing wind that people, in statistically significant numbers, are finding alternatives… so is this the same situation as the ps3?

Just a passing musing without much to back up the gut feelings.

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[–] 159 points 11 months ago (30 children)

Microsoft is bleeding power users and PC enthusiasts at an unprecedented rate. This is a great thing for Linux, but they are still absolutely locked into the corporate world and that's where the money is.

The reality is that Microsoft solved management of corporate policy and identity like 25 years ago and nothing else has come close. It has its problems, but Active Directory is an incredible piece of software. The combination of LDAP, with obfuscation of Kerberos to the point where you don't even need to know it exists, combined with policy deployment to endpoints is nothing short of a miracle.

Linux has tools for all those things, but none are easy to deploy or configure. If you have to manage thousands of desktops, Windows is still the clear choice

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  • [–] 31 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    Novell solved directory services 25 years ago. It took MS 10 to catch up.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    You mean Novell royally fucked up Netware and people went to AD at first because of that. But yes, AD was quite new then, mostly an add-on for NT domains (and still sort of is :) try going full kerberos…).

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    How did Novell mess up netware? If anything Novell should have teamed up with IBM or Apple to take on end user productivity.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Also, IBM was still big on mainframes and PCs, and OS/2 of course, and hadn’t really that much interest in Netware or Windows then (outsourcing deals aside). Apple was even way farther away from that, completely on their own OS and Appletalk, directories were not really useful for their users then.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I was going to reply essentially the same thing! I'm glad someone remembers their IT history. :)

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Well remember netware had a 250 user limit per server before 4.0. Thats not alot in corp space. I remember running many servers just to handle user auth and logon back with netware 3.12

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Wasn’t 4 still a flat directory? I’m talking about 5 when it got serious.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Its been like 3 decades.... bit i thought ver 4 introduced the bindery which removed the per server user limit.... i moved into networking about that time so im not sure. WindowsNT hadnt been released yet i remember.

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  • [–] 75 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    If you are a large corporation or government, you'd have the resources to do exactly that. I keep hearing about European governments moving to Linux. And why wouldn't you? Screw perpetual licensing.

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  • [–] 76 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    What those EU governments are doing is out of interest for national security rather than hate for licensing. The US has changed drastically in the last decade and getting your sensitive data out of their infrastructure is a top priority.

    The cost of change from Windows to Linux is pretty small for an individual. Most people have one or two machines and a handful of programs, none of which are critical to your continued existence.

    In the corporate world, you need to be absolutely sure that everything will work flawlessly, which often means weeks or months of testing on top of all your regular IT duties, constant support tickets to obscure software vendors who may not have ever worked with Linux, and if some mission-critical piece of software breaks, then the company cannot operate until it is fixed...or you can continue to use Windows, even though it sucks more now.

    I want Linux to have wider adoption in the desktop space, but it's a catch 22. People aren't going to move unless the software is guaranteed to work, and Linux-based software isn't going to be made unless people are using it. This is why Proton was such a big deal. It offered a real option for gaming to move to the platform and now it's viable and devs are starting to take linux into account.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Its not a guarantee of flawless operation thats required, its a source of liability if something goes wrong. Someone has to be responsible if the latest update blows everything up.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    I present to you a wild notion:

    Adobe OS.

    They have the market value and revenue to do what steam is doing.

    They could make switching a cost save if the OS integrates vertically with the creative cloud.

    To be clear, I don't want this and would t use it. But any business with licenses would say "wait... Ditch Microsoft ios, and... Poof? Everything works and we pay way less money?"

    All that Microsoft provides any business at this point is AD/Azure.

    I feel like Microsoft is taking massive Ls between now and 2030. I don't think Adobe is gonna do this, I'm just saying if they did, it could work. Microsoft is a weak giant right now.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    Adobe has been their own worst enemy for decades and their one true skill is fucking things up. The best thing about Adobe trying to make their own OS would be that it could wipe them out.

    -signed, a long time bitter former Adobe user that still has to support their shit

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    AD and LDAP is notoriously insecure as hell by default. It took until 24H2 for MSFT to enable SMB signing, which was a solid 50% chance for an unauthenticated attacker to reach domain admin on any enterprise network.

    There are a lot of solutions that eclipse AD in both quality and scope. It's just like VMWare, a once solid product that orgs got vendor locked into, and are stuck for life.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    It’s a backwards compatibility issue. MS has been telling people for years that defaults are not secure. I have enterprise grade equipment in production that doesn’t support smb signing by default.

    Shit is crazy.

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  • [+] -29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (8 children)

    Linux is a bad choice for multiple reasons. I wish Linux had better support for games, DAWS (my job) and other software.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago

    Linux has close to the best support for games possible without support from the game developers.

    Other windows software usually isn't quite as good in my experience, but still better than non-native software on any other operating system.

    Never used a DAW, so I can't say anything about that.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    I wish Linux had better support for games, DAWS (my job) and other software.

    Do you have any examples or details so we can understand your point better?

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    It runs FL studio and Ableton like complete ass as well as any plugin I need. Has terrible Nvidia support and even worse Intel support.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    FL studio and Ableton through WINE, I presume? That's really the responsibility of the FL studio and Ableton developers, not Linux. I got Bitwig specifically because it supports Linux natively, and I hear it does it well (I haven't tried it on Linux yet). From what I understand, the situation with Nvidia is also largely on Nvidia's camp, although some distributions have gone above and beyond to get their GPUs to work well from the get go, like Pop OS, which I also just installed recently. No idea about Intel, but I thought I had heard that their support (and AMD's) for Linux was much better than Nvidia's.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not complaining about Linux. But the lack of support that companies have for it. Seems to be a lack of interpretation somewhere. I have no real problem with Linux other than it mostly require major googling of how terminal works. Windows and even Mac are just simple to use and everything works.

    I have used bitwig before too, but I've been using FL for almost 20+ years now. I'm not going to change my entire system and knowledge just because a community hates it when someone says windows is easier to use lmao.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    That's all fine and I understand your points and wishes. I think your first reply was downvoted because it was offtopic to the post your were replying to and because it did sound like you were complaining about Linux.

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  • [–] 72 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Lets not forget too that Sony ever only started making video games at all because Nintendo thought they had such strong market share that they could bully Phillips AND Sony. Phillips ended up being a little bitch, and didn't do anything noteworthy. But Sony? Sony bent Nintendo over a barrel, and took their lunch money.

    And then waited 10 years to make the same exact mistake.

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  • [–] 95 points 11 months ago (31 children)

    When recently onboarding for a new job I heard something I never thought I would hear in my life.

    Everyone was given a Mac. Eng, design, finance, HR. Everyone. In my onboarding cohort, someone in finance asked if they could have a Windows PC, which has been the backbone of finance orgs for decades. IT said no. They just didn’t want to deal with Microsoft’s enterprise ecosystem.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago

    I got the same treatment recently. All tech departments were issued M4 Mac Book Pros because that was more cost effective than than dealing with the non-compliant fuckery of W11. Unfortunately non-tech departments got the old inventory and are suffering the abhorrent instability of W11. It somehow refuses to play nice with just about everything in our corporate ecosystem.

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  • [+] 31 points 11 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    When I started at my current job, every new hire was given the choice of a MacBook or Linux laptop. I only encountered one person who chose the former and he only chose that because he thought it'd be funny to use Windows on a MacBook in his professional environment. (We were allowed to do pretty much whatever with our laptops so long as we could fulfill our work duties. My then manager replaced Ubuntu, with which we were provided, with Arch on his laptop.)

    Two or so years later, the IT department said that they didn't really know how to maintain security compliance on Linux, but they did know JAMF. Thus, they took away our customizable Linux laptops and foisted MacBooks on all of us. I'm pretty sure even the Windows guy lost that, but he was an exec so it probably took longer.

    I still remember when they announced that this would happen. They said it without a timeline in the company-wide group chat and someone I respected previously and respected more afterwards said "so when are you taking away our good laptops?"

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    My guess that they’re trying to standardize around a platform that has a) no Microsoft, b) won’t cause product / UX / marketing to totally revolt, c) is well supported as an engineering platform (in Silicon Valley)

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    But macOS is even more locked down than windows?

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    They specifically mentioned the enterprise ecosystem.

    I would not be surprised at all if Apple's MDM system is less painful to use for smaller businesses than Microsoft's AD and everything attached to it. Hell it might even be nicer for big orgs, but I've never heard of one (apart from the likes of Google) not using AD

    Also if you're already dealing with one of those systems, an IT department is probably motivated to not run both and set up interop if they can avoid it

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    Used to work for Apple in B2B sales.

    Granted, this was five years ago, but back then it was sort of the other way round. The deployment at SMB scale worked really well and was also free of charge.

    AT enterprise you would need a third-party solution typically, something like JAMF.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    IMHO, it depends on the company, their data retention and security policy, and what you mean by “locked down.”

    I’ve had IT departments that are comfortable giving everyone admin accounts and full sharing access, and IT departments that control every little thing that goes in and out of your machine.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Locked down would probably be a plus for enterprise.

    But honestly I've never got that argument. In what way is macOS more locked down than Windows? In the hardware that it will run on yes. But for the average user it seems fairly similar on the being "locked down" front.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I mean the hardware thing is huge imo

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    True, but enterprise hardware has never been something that IT departments really wanted to upgrade. Even back when everyone had upgradable towers under their desk, IT departments just wanted to kit you out with something that lasted 3 years, then was replaced.

    Hell, in the before times, when I’ve even wanted more storage, all of my IT departments were more inclined to give me an external HD than open a computer case. They’re busy and they generally want to do whatever is fast.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    This is definitely becoming more common. I've seen Macs steadily gain market share in my organization because the Windows machines are locked down in such draconian ways that they become unusable, but somehow they allow much better user experiences on Macs as an option, so most people go that direction.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    As someone who went through this, I would honestly take Window 11's bs over pos unusable mac.

    First time ever I think I felt pain in my wrist from using a trackpad. Absolute clownshow of a UX

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Interesting. I’ve got of gripes with Apple hardware (price, upgradability, silly things like notches and Touch Bars,) but trackpads has never been one of them. I’ve always thought the’ve had some of the best trackpads.

    What trackpad do you prefer and why?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Oh no the trackpad itself is actually pretty okay. Its the fact that I have to drag a ridiculous length for the subsequent input to match on screen, even with the highest sensitivity setting.

    Apple's ingenious design was to make the trackpad feel like a 1:1 representation of your display, which is why its so huge.

    And since way too much stuff in MacOS is functional around mouse clicks, I was constantly swiping all over the place for basic functions.

    I think apple users kind of got used to using only their arm, but thats hard for me to do since I'm used to regular old trackpads and mice.

    EDIT: Comparatively, I'm fine one something like a thinkpad or even a very cheap HP notebook, so long as the OS or Application UX is cool enough to keep things sensible.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Weird. I never noticed that. I bump mine up a bit from the default, but I don’t max it out. That’s way too fast for me to handle.

    I do know there are ton of apps that will override the defaults. I think the OG better touch tool will let you max that thing to warp speed.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Can you install linux on a mac?

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Older Intel Macs are some of the best Linux machines. The newer ones with Apple CPUs are a compatibility nightmare.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    If you can get an old final-intel-gen MBP in decent nick, they can make pretty decent Linux machines if you're okay with not being able to do any internal hardware upgrades.

    tiny-dfr is your friend if you happen to get one with that touchbar F-row, which is probably the only big downside compared to a conventional laptop.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Not finance but I always bring this up when ppl argue about android vs iPhone.

    Tons and tons of businesses prefer the Apple ecosystem because it just fucking works.

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  • [–] 32 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I don't think Sony intentionally screwed up PS2s to sell more PS3s though so it's not an equal comparison.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago

    they screwed up not making ps3s have ps2 backwards compatability outside the first lot of them released. its what ultimately caused me to be an xbox fan because for christmas my dad was gonna get the family a ps3 but when he found out they were no longer backward compatable with ps2 games he got us an xbox 360 instead

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    they intentionally screwed them up to sell more ps2s. i'm (for the last fifteen years, thank gods) on my third.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    lol that’s wild you still pushing a PS2. With nothing more modern or just for funsies?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    My collection is not in great condition, but i have managed to keep all my old consoles (I started on 2800) over the years. I haven't tested the snes or earlier in a while, but last I had a TV I could plug them into they worked.

    Those ps2 lasers tho. I have spent so much time taking apart and putting together.

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  • [–] 31 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    they did manage to win the Blu-ray vs hd-dvd format wars

    They didn't win them: they bought them. Blu-ray won via payola more than popularity or technical superiority. HDDVD has way better error correction and thus longevity, but you can see why corpos wouldn't want that at the peak of the planned obsolescence / e-waste years.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    The PS3 including a BD drive certainly played a part though.

    MS tried to push HD-DVD but required a separate device to use it on 360.

    It feels like that was the generation of poor console decisions.

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    [–] 61 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Every once in a while, Microsoft makes fundamental mistakes which they only survive because of their size. Think Microsoft Bob or Windows 8. Looks like Windows 11 is heading in the same direction.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Nobody sees it that way, nobody notices what we notice. They don't know any alternatives, it has new features so it's innovating, it does what they want/need. I hear no complaints, only from tech people who are invested in privacy and digital sovereignty. That's the reality.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    This is my impression also. Most people are just "Meh" about it since it's not that noticeable. A bit more ads, bit more bandwidth use, bit more ram use and a bit slower CPU when performance of websites sucks ass is not that noticeable.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Maybe in the case of windows 11 that will be true, but in the past that has not been the case. When Windows 8 came out regular users were "upgrading" new machines to windows 7.

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    It wouldn’t be the first time a Microsoft OS was a total disaster.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago

    Usually Microsoft releases new versions quickly enough to leap-frog each other, though. Windows 98 was still supported when Windows XP was released, so nobody really needed to use WinME. The same thing happened with Windows Vista and 8. People could always just skip over the especially-shitty versions and wait for the next, not-quite-as-shitty version to come out before upgrading. They can't do that with Windows 11, though.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    It does more or less follow the age-old Microsoft pattern: One disaster OS, followed by one improved OS people mostly enjoy.

    Only problem for them is that this time there's actually way more viable OS options for average people to turn to, and they've simultaneously leaned heavily into surveillance capitalism, monitoring, and AI when all of those things are broadly unwelcome. Its a recipe for a big loss in market share, and I can't say I don't love that for them.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    we'v e had improved ms oses since 7?

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    It's hard to argue that Windows 10 isn't way better than Windows 7 in terms of user interface, workflow patterns, security, and feature support. Despite the fact that Windows 10 comes with a lot of useless junk. Hell, even the junk it came with (Microsoft Edge, Cortana, OneDrive) is more useful than the junk Windows 7 also came with.

    And similarly, while people have a lot of nostalgia for Windows XP, from an absolute standpoint, Windows XP is complete ass as an operating system. It was only good in comparison to Windows 2000, ME, and 98/95.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I run a CNC machine at work that runs from a Windows XP PC. Can confirm the OS is still dogshit.

    Win 10 was fine.

    I really like Linux Mint though.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Linux Mint is great for my 80-year-old grandfather. No Microsoft account BS, and the interface is simple enough for him to learn. He only uses the computer to look at his investments online using Microsoft Edge and play Minesweeper (GNOME Mines seems to be an acceptable replacement for him), and look at old family photos. It runs great on his 6-year-old computer.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Windows 8/10 introduced touch features that lots of people really wanted, so if you care about tablets at all I think that it's reasonable to say that Microsoft Surface is probably the best tablet out there. I personally don't give a shit about tablets so I'm not too happy.

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago

    Switched my home PC to Linux (Manjaro) over a year ago and had little issue getting it to run what I want. Steam works great these days. Wine has come a long way but I don’t end up using it.. though might try to run Foobar now that I think of it.

    I hear the fleet management argument though. I got a MacBook at work because I couldn’t stand windows 11 and it’s claim on all virtualization (have to disable security features to get VMs access to hardware virtualization), and I don’t envy our IT department having to deal with Jamf.

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