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[–] 121 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Would this make Donald Trump the first LGBTQ+ president?

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  • [–] 69 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Or does Clinton get to be both the first LGBTQ+ and first black president?

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Abraham Lincoln, also Republican President, was probably the first

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    James Buchanan* was in a glass closet and won the election in 1836. Lifelong bachelor with a very close roommate.

    Andrew Jackson called it out publicly.

    James Madison was notoriously horny, who knows what he got up to?

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I called it the other day: This is the same crowd that has used "cocksucker" as an insult for at least as long as I've been alive, and now they're going to turn on a dime -- especially if this rumor ends up being true (or persistent).

    But also, there's a vast difference between mocking the head of a party that is overwhelmingly anti-LGBTQ+ in this manner to point out their hypocrisy, versus making homophobic statements about gay men in general. This is no different from making fun of trump/JD/Rudy for the photos of them dressed in drag when the whole party is and has demonized drag queens and the art of drag.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    This is the same crowd that has used β€œcocksucker” as an insult for at least as long as I’ve been alive

    I think you added a d to use by accident there.

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The hilarity of Trump sucking Clinton's dick isn't necessarily in the sexual orientation, it's in the hypocrisy of the people who are least tolerant of homosexuality being Trumps biggest supporters.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Least PUBLICLY tolerant of homosexuality I think it must be said.

    Fairly certain MAGA is queerer than a 3 dollar bill

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I like how conservatives are like "[X] country is bad because look how they treat Women and LGBT+ people"

    meanwhile back at home... in conservative areas...

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    In the bible belt*. Their bible apparently supports the idea that women are second class citizens

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "The country we been invading once a decade for oil is not as progressive and is progressing almost as slow as us."

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  • Fr. I wonder how advanced China would've been if the British didn't invade on the pretense of the opium stuff, and the Japanese Imperialists didn't invade, looted, and burned stuff, and the massacres... Perhaps it would've become an actual bastion of freedom, democracy, prosperity, instead of... you know... current timeline.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    Bro-job, bro-job, Choo Choo!

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Give him a nice shiny statue, then take it away and give it to Obama after further consideration, because Obama has admitted to fantasizing about men.

    Guarantee it would lead to him raving about how much better he is at having sex with men.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It just dawned on me, the whole "Kamala Harris blowjob queen" move. Holy shit the projection...

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't find it funny because i'm homophobic... i find it funny because they are

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Sucking your buddy’s dick does not make you gay

    And it is, you know, fun

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    What the fuck happened again? Who gave who a bj and why's it funny? I can't keep up, man.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Nothing actually happened. It's like the jd Vance couch thing.

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  • Nah that was just calling him a couch fucker because he's a weird creep.

    This is based on an actual exchange that was probably a joke. There's at least some potential of reality behind it.

    Honestly, Mark Epstein's suspicious denial that Bubba is Bill makes the whole thing seem more likely, not less. It could very well have been the joke in the first place because as Trump's pimps of choice they knew he swings both ways.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    still homophobic tho, conservatives are just the wrong people to be calling it out (and if anything conservatives are the ideal target audience for the homophobic memes, since they are the ones most likely to be bothered by their Daddy being a closeted gay)

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yeah if a women blew clinton people wouldn't mene about it at all, it would barely even be a news story.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Nobody i know are outraged that Trump is, at least, bisexual.

    We just find it really funny. Not because there is anything wrong with homosexuality, but because building your whole cult around bigotry when you are a minority, is kind of really fucking funny.

    And all the mental gymnastics that conservatives are running to defend this right now, is prime entertainment.

    Not every joke involving gays, are bashing at homosexuality.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I actually half wish I was in some of these platforms where they congregate just to watch the drama.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    For conservatives they seem quite tech savvy to be able to filter out VPN users.

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  • [+] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    btw, they don't successfully block all VPN users; using mullvad you can just reconnect until you're on a VPN server that isn't blocked (in case you still want to access Reddit with a VPN); it seems like they only block certain VPNs, and probably those servers are only getting blocked after users try to hide abuse or bot traffic behind the VPN and they get that server blocked that way

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Not every joke involving gays, are bashing at homosexuality.

    I do think jokes where the entire joke is that Donald Trump sucks dick is intended to be funny because homosexuality is taboo and sucking dick is considered bad, not just to Trump, but to people in general.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I've made plenty of those jokes by now, iΓ¦and i can tell you thats not the case for anyone i know πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

    The joke is a cult leader sucking cock while his cult hates cocksuckers πŸ˜‚

    But we don't mention the cult in the jokes, because then the joke doesnt trigger them.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    to be blunt, I don't believe you

    if you call someone a cocksucker, it's obviously intended as an insult

    telling me actually you think sucking cock is totally fine and it's actually just about the hypocrisy of the cocksucker is not believable - that's not why these memes succeed, people are just enjoying labeling Donald Trump as a cocksucker in a pejorative way

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    As a person who has sucked a cock or two, I appreciate your instinct to protect, but maybe this is an "I'm not comfortable making this joke, but they are allowed to" situation?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    hm, I hear you - but I think that would have to be embedded in the context of the meme; it's not like anyone knows you are a "cocksucker" (in a non-pejorative sense), let alone that you endorse sucking cock from the memes you share; the homophobic assumption that sucking cock is wrong and taboo is what makes the meme successful, and I don't think anything changes from the fact that you don't personally share that view and happen to be creating or sharing the meme

    basically the homophobia is in the audience that interprets and receives the meme, the meme succeeds because it plays on that homophobia, and so the meme is "homophobic" in that sense

    I have trouble imagining these memes being shared and being popular in the gay communities that I'm a part for that reason - the audience might find the implication that sucking cock is itself wrong as homophobic and uncomfortable, maybe a gay audience would recognize the hypocrisy and also understand the latent homophobia that makes the meme work, but I just don't imagine it being as popular (and to be honest I'm not seeing it shared in those communities; nor would I personally feel comfortable sharing it in those communities)

    it should be clarified that when I point out the homophobia, it's not meant as some attempt to cancel the memes (let alone to indicate we should protect Trump out of some kind of concern for him as a homosexual), instead I'm just trying to point out reactionary threads, the way misogyny and homophobia are common even in anti-Trump sentiment

    fuck Trump, obviously - but I'm not going to follow that up with "the cocksucker"

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is fucking bad? Because you just used it as an insult...

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    misinterpreting the common use of "fuck" as a way to convey disdain as actually articulating a sex-negative attitude is so non-serious it exposes your bad-faith πŸ™„

    are you just upset that you didn't have anything to offer, and this seemed clever to you?

    either way, I'm blocking you for your bad faith; I am happy to waste time engaging with serious people, but I have no time for your silliness (if I can't tell if you're a troll, I'll just assume you are one and block)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I know you have blocked me, but for the benefit/detriment of anyone else reading...

    So if it becomes common to use "blow" (or any other allusion to fellatio) as a way to convey disdain, does it cease to be homophobic? How are we not there already?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    In all honesty the absolute weirdest thing about the whole Trump and Clinton BJ thing is that it never crossed my mind that those two would ever do anything close to that...

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    To be fair Mark Epstein said in a recent interview that β€œbubba” was NOT Clinton. Will that stop me from claiming that it is with my maga family members? Not in the slightest πŸ˜‚

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    But the emails also show that they knew how to get politicians to owe them favors. Pretending like Bubba is someone else so Trump owes him one is well within the behavior we've seen discussed in the files.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Honestly to me it just sounded like a guy joke. Sorta like locker room talk. Could have been just making stuff up honestly.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It doesn't matter. It's a rumor that one US president sucked off another US president, except there's a sliver of credibility in it. It's one of the least likely things imaginable, yet here it is showing up in a context where you can't just completely dismiss it as an obvious shitty joke. This is probably going to become one of the most iconic and significant memes in American history, even if it turns out to be false. Our great grandkids will be joking about it in their locker rooms.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    And the funny thing is that he only says Bubba isn’t who we think he is β€” but he doesn’t say that β€˜blowing’ was meant in any non-literal way. He could’ve easily claimed that β€˜blowing’ was meant as some kind of political subservience and that the β€˜photo’ was just a joking reference to proof or leverage. Like using those words in a playful, provocative way.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Wonder how the OTC actually feels about this?

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Over the counter (meds)?

    That's all I got. What is OTC?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Occupational Therapy Centers. Sometimes fellaltio is theraputic. It's not appropriate to shame someone for engaging in it. Unless it's Trump. Then it's hilarious.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The guy in the meme is the Original Tribal Chief Joe "Roman Reigns" Anoa'i...The OTC.

    I really could have gone my whole life without knowing his political beliefs. I don't like politics in my wrasslin'. But since he felt like he had to share and this is a political meme, that question came naturally to me.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Also, to object to blowjob insinuations, but still say "fuck trump"... Like what the fuck do you think "fuck" means?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I do believe that would insinuate a desire to perform sodomy in a domineering fashion, over said person.

    Sodomy is of course inferred by the presumed gender of both individuals. There could of course be other penetrative sexual acts (as such is the strict connotation of the verb "fuck", in this context), not necessarily sodomy, though barring other qualifiers, it is the default.

    To perform a penetrative sexual act, it is assumed that the person making the statement has a member capable of performing said act. This may be organic or prosthetic, and some may who have an organic member may choose to use a prosthetic, or elect a champion as part of the original phrasing (I.e. "fuck (subject) with a donkey dick"). What is important, however, is that the speaker has some capability of performing the penetrative sexual activity prior to making the statement, or, at a minimum, a concept of a plan.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Right. So is fucking someone a bad thing? A good thing? Or does it depend on whether the recipient wants to be fucked? If we're using fuck as an insult, we're implying that it's bad, right? If not, then why is it different for sucking cock?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Ultimately there is no good or bad, only fuck-all.

    It's wildly open to interpretation, really. IMO, it's a bad thing if it's under duress or force, or for the purposes of leverage, embarrassment, blackmail, etc.

    Unless, of course, those are mutually enjoyable kinks, and there is prior consent and, usually, established boundaries and/or safe words, where applicable.

    It's fucking complicated.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Now with that perception, is that his face while getting a bj?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It’s still homophobic, unless it’s about a homophobic shitheel being a massive hypocrite.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    That's ridiculous, Americans aren't homophobic....unless the wnba comes up.

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