There's a difference between a 15-year-old and a 5-year-old, you know?
She should not be able to walk down the street without constant reminder of making this statement about victims of sex trafficking. Absolute monster of a person.
There's a difference between a 15-year-old and a 5-year-old, you know?
She should not be able to walk down the street without constant reminder of making this statement about victims of sex trafficking. Absolute monster of a person.
Holy shit they're actually doing the hebophile bit
Yeah, but it's impossible to explain without sounding like a pedophile....
TIL hebophile and ephebophile, two words I didn’t want to know existed.
It is a useful distinction when considering possible rehabilitation. In general conversation it's just weird.
The best explanation I have seen was that it's like death metal sure there's varying types and styles within death metal but at the end of the day the only ones who really care about those distinctions are death metal fans.
(My apology to any death metal fan offended by the comparison)
All sub categories of reprehensible creep
I don't think a 20 year old dating a 17 year old falls into that category but it would fall under the legal definition you're referring to in many states. That's the problem with drawing arbitrary lines, you usually end up labeling some things incorrectly. That doesn't mean you get rid of the line but understanding the context is still important.
That being said, there is no amount of context that will lessen the creepiness of a 50+ year old man serially preying upon 15 year old girls. That's disgusting and I find Megyn Kelly's invocation of this defense to be indefensible. She should be ashamed of herself if she were capable of feeling shame.
Yeah of course a 20 year old dating a 17 year old is fine....we all know this isn't what they are talking about....it's disgusting people trying to justify someone old enough to be their parent or grandparent..
Maryland has a system in place to protect teenagers...the age of consent is 16 (which if you're over 21, shame on you) but there's a 4 year sliding clause, so for example if your 17, a pissed parent cannot charge you for having relations with their 14 year old, if all was on the up and up.
I'm in my 40s and anyone under 30 is too young.
Being sexually attracted to 17 year old females makes someone a reprehensible creep?
Most straight men probably fit into that.
Especially when the age of consent in half the states of the US is 16.
17 year olds still tend to be physically less developed... But even if they're not, if you're more than a handful of years older than the 17 year old, having a sexual relationship with them is still exploitative since they're still mentally (both emotionally and reasoning abilities) immature.
I really wish I lived in a world where psychiatrists could spend time inventing terms for people who prefer rogue-likes versus people who prefer rogue-lites instead of this shit.
I learned about hebophilia yesterday and today I started wondering if I'm supposed to be pronouncing ephebophilia as "ep-hebophilia" or was i right saying "ef-ebophilia"
It is so predictable that conservatives would end up in "Pedophilia isn't that bad" once it became undeniable that Great Leader raped little girls.
funny that QAnon stuff circled around Dems having pedo-leanings and that was an OUTRAGE yet now it turns out to be OK, Humane even... wtf? Their morals exist only to stick it to anyone opposing them and they evaporate the second one of their own is caught doing exact thing
I read somewhere that people like conspiracy theories because it gives them a sense that they know secret information that others don't know.
There is also a kind of reverse virtue signaling to each other about how "edgy" they are when it comes to being steeped in/buying into what they think is insider knowledge...
For example, the ones that claim they are flat-earthers - I honestly think many of them might not really believe it, but use it as a way to play the kid skipping science class and smoking out behind the school, basically as a way to raise up their middle finger to annoy the people they think are just being schoolmarms: "you're not going to tell ME what to believe, I did my own research!"
The reality is, anyone they think of as a schoolmarm ("normie") just mostly would rather ignore these asshats, and just roll our eyes at their juvenile and backward ways. Sadly, what these idiots do in large groups ends up harming everyone - e.g., not vaccinating, being terrible at reasoning skills, basic numeracy and literacy, while at the same time being able to vote for the Republicans.
Yep, this pretty much nails it.
The conspiracy makes them feel a sense of importance that they can't get in any other aspects of their lives. It is sad, these people cause real harm to those around them with these fantasy worlds they buy into.
Telling them they are wrong, often just feeds the delusion; because you don't know the secrete, this makes them feel more of the same, feeding the conspiracy further.
But they're still probably gonna push to prosecute lgbtq people as pedophiles. They should at least have to pretend to be consistent.
End up? They were already there since at least almost a decade ago.
Supporters defend Roy Moore: “Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter” | Vox - https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/9/16630464/supporters-defend-roy-moore-mary-joseph
Yeah, that seems on brand
Yes, it's technically Hebephilia or Ephebophilia. That doesn't change the level of disdain.
Yes, it’s technically
Exactly the same if I started to call driving with a blood alcohol level between 0.8% and 25% "happy fun time driving" and pretended that means it's no longer the same as DUI...
People can make up all the terms they want, don't change the law tho.
At .4% I call it Death. By 25% I think that's just a type of embalming procedure.
I like to think of laws as flibberlintons because who the hell cares if you break a flibberlinton?
You're off by an order of magnitude in these percentages.
In most places, it is legal to drive with a blood alcohol content between 0.025% and 0.08%.
Over 0.08% is a DUI.
Over 0.8% is death.
25%... you'd indeed need a thanatologist to get there.
Relevant stand up https://youtu.be/nu6C2KL_S9o
technically Hebephilia or Ephebophilia
You've been made mod of r/Libertarian
That doesn't change the level of disdain.
You've been removed as mod for r/Libertarian
Im sorry, is this a conversation about the degree to which he is a pedophile?
Reminds me of all the disgusting turds in the courts who went, "Aw it was just a little rape."
No, it's that he was a hebephile instead of a pedophile.
There is a distinction between the two, they are both still fucking bad.
You're a pedophile defender.
No, I'm not — I was disgusted to hear Megan Kelly try to draw some kind of positive distinction between "barely legal types" and "children".
Personally I don't consider the distinction between terms to be meaningful beyond human need to categorize. A 12 to 16 year old is still a fucking child, a 17 year old is still a child. There are plenty of arguments to make about whether 18 year olds are adults.
That being said, nothing about my comment suggests that I support the message they're trying to portray. Maybe read the entire comment before calling me a conservative next time, ok?
the more they try to come up with new terminology to excuse it away, the more I just put them in the bucket labelled 'kid fuckers'.
I think that putting enough thought to categorize between hebephile and pedophile is already and upsetting amount of my brain power spent on people who hurt kids.
I have a better thing to call them — castrated. Or dead, I don't care — whatever prevents this from happening to other children.
whether 18 year olds are adults
Some would say that holds true until well into people's 20s
It's the same old defense heard from conservatives everywhere. He's not a pedophile, he's a hebephile. Whatever
No they are ust saying there is a difference. That's why there are two different words.
What are they even defending here. Even if they were 18 year old trafficked women it would be heinous.
It’s not like he was dating young girls or some shit, this is about sex crimes of which their age is only one of the awful awful factors.
When you start making defenses that involve distinguishing between pedophilia and hebephilia you lost a long time ago.
It's like distinguishing between burglary and robbery. Maybe it makes a difference in the exact length of their sentence but they're still both serious crimes
Technically, pedophilia is considered a mental disorder. it's listed in the DSM-V. Pedophiles could be considered mentally ill.
Hebophilia and ephebophilia aren't illnesses. They are crimes.
He's not a Pedophile unless he comes from the Pedo region of Epstein Island, otherwise he's just sparkling child molester.
Law enforcement baits out pedos to arrest using fake 16 year olds all day long. They can't spin this.
well a pedophile goes for prepubescent children….
Ephebophilia is the primary sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19
so like, still a sex predator for underage girls….
In most US states that would not be illegal.
This is one of the wildest most disgusting goal post moves I've ever heard
From the people who brought you pizzagate.
You gotta remember, ALL of the chips are on this guy, the base hates most of the policy and could barely name any of the cabinet, they're just there for the figurehead.
goddamn this fucking talking point is spreading. Just yesterday I was watching a video where some maga piece of shit was questioning a streamer about why he thinks its wrong that adults rape 13 year olds. Pretty soon we're going to have absolutely no choice except physical violence.
for ref: https://www.reddit.com/r/CringeTikToks/comments/1ovted6/we_breathe_the_same_air_as_these_people/
This talking point is very popular among the right wing libertarian guys who are so offputting they cannot date their peers.
It’s also popular among Christian fascist theocrats who want to be able to date and marry children.
It is spreading for a reason though. There certainly is a difference between raping an 8 year old and a 16 year old. And medically it is defined as "sexual interest in prepubescent children." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19327034/ People have started slinging the term even at guys dating 20 something year old women just because they are 50 or 60. In short, the term has been made into a dog whistle and used were it doesn't apply because it carries more negative connotations than terms like statutory rape, sexual assualt of a minor, sex trafficking.
Frankly, I think the term has been cheapened by this misuse. Now when people here someone is a pedo, instead of immediate revulsion, they have to ask, "what kind of pedo". It shouldn't be that way. All of the phrases should be bad enough that we don't need to exaggerate. So it is more the acceptance that statutory rape is ok that is the source of the problem.
That said, the motives for this talking head to say what she said are purely political. Her words aren't worth spit.
The biggest tragedy about everyone on the left using pedophile as a dog whistle is that it actually directly harms children in my opinion. Pedophelia is a mental disorder, and just because someone is a pedophile doesn't mean they have ever or will ever harm a child or anyone else for that matter.
The problem with everybody using the word pedo and creating such a hateful and negative reaction to that word instead of the more proper term of child sex offender or child rapist, is it directly results in pedophiles who want to get mental health help to ensure they never hurt a child, never will and they will just keep it quiet because their entire life will be destroyed if they try to get professional help.
Of course, everybody is always responsible for their actions, but all of you using the word pedo in such a negative and catch-all way directly results in children being harmed.
You all need to use better terminology, like rapist or child sex abuser, not using a real DSM-5 mental disorder to vilify.
I won't compare it directly to any other mental disorders because I will get a significant amount of hate, but imagine picking any other DSM-5 disorder and using it as a catch-all to vilify, it would be unpopular.
She has a 14 year old daughter
If you tell someone not to fuck kids and their response is "actually 15 year olds aren't kids" then that person is a pedo.
"This is this person's view, who was there for a lot of this, but that he was into the barely legal type. Like, he liked 15-year-old girls," she continued. "I'm just giving you facts that he wasn't into, like, 8-year-olds. But he liked the very young teen types that could pass for even younger than they were, but would look legal to a passerby."
"And that is what I believed and that is what I reliably was told for many years."
Kelly admitted that she began to change her opinion after Attorney General Pam Bondi claimed that Epstein had thousands of videos with child sexual abuse material.
"For the first time, I thought, oh, no, he was an actual pedophile," the conservative host recalled.
Megan "I was fine with him fucking teenagers" Kelly, everyone.
But he liked the very young teen types that could pass for even younger than they were, but would look legal to a passerby."
How does this make any sense at all? How does one "pass as even younger" but still somehow "look legal to passersby"? Those are directly conflicting concepts.
Sometimes you got to wonder if hate Muhammed just because want to be like Muhammed so bad
hand gestures, trump voice It's called ephuba... epheeba... ephebiolphilia, folks, look it up. These girls. Women. Beautiful women, because you know, I'm only attracted to beautiful. I ran the miss USA pagent for years, you know that? I'm very proud of it. They call me up sometimes and say, "Mr. Trump, the evil, socialist communist left says beauty pagents are wrong and we have to give awards to ugly ladies with nose rings. Please come back". I have to tell them I'm just too busy saving America. But these women aren't kids. They're smart, intelligent ladies. The left hates beautiful women. They say "Donald is robbing the cradle he's a pedophile". That's fake news. Fake. News. Children don't have... well you know just look at these girls. They're very well-endowed, these ladies and I won't bow down to the evil communists. They're the pedophiles folks. Why doesn't anyone look into sleepy Joe sniffing all those girls' hair - it's creepy. But I'm attracted to beautiful. All the most beautiful things... you've seen my new bathroom, right? It's the greatest bathroom in the history of indoor plumbing... Kim told me that on the phone yesterday. He said he could see it through the window in pictures.
I feel like this is how Trump thinks he sounds. Semi-cogent, explaining full thoughts for rhe most part. The reality is so much more stilted and involves vertical leaps between topic layers with little warning and almost no rhetorical device.
This was great but at "beautiful women" he would have had a brain fart and started talking about Sydney Sweeney and how the left hates her for being beautiful. "The left hates lots of beautiful women because beautiful women all love me. They all love my big beautiful bills..." et al.
I wonder if I'm even capable of being so dedicated to someone that I'd become such a gross fucking weirdo to defend them.
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