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[–] 65 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Don't forget modern girls only know "McDonalds, charge they phone, twerk, be bisexual, eat hot chip & lie.”

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/eat-hot-chip-and-lie

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I should listen to more of them. I only really knew "ready for the floor"

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I don't get it, both are cool?

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I would say that the point is this kind of sentiment from the manosphere, for example just these quotes by Andrew Tate:

    Look familiar? Good for you if you get to live your middle upper class cottagecore dream with a hipster lumberjack that brings home everything you'll ever need. That definitely sounds pretty awesome.

    But mostly this is about control and power of men over women, especially for women that aren't in the economic class to get to have shelves of unread books and the luxury of spending all of their time doing arts and crafts and making tiktok videos.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    We shouldn't publicize Andrew Tate, he's like a malware virus

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago*

    I understand the sentiment but also, I should think a community called "Witches vs Patriarchy" would actually involve the "vs Patriarchy" part and not just be another !witchymemes@lemmy.world. And Andrew Tate is like everything wrong with the patriarchy rolled into one and one of the poster boys for it these days. So it comes with the discussion.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's over, I've already depicted you as dancing the Charleston

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Honsetly the flapper is the kind of gal I'd be looking for anyway but there is nothing wrong with the gal on the left either. It's almost as if individuals should be left to make their own choices.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    LOL, since fucking when did a woman who could tend farm ever wear dresses like the one on the left (more than, like, once in her life on her wedding day or something)?

    Help manage her husband's antebellum plantation, maybe, but fieldwork? Hell, no.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    The cartoonist probably looked at some old family photos, saw his grandmother dressed up for a formal portrait, and thought it was everyday clothing. Early photographers used to keep nice clothes on hand for customers to pose in, so the clothes may not even have been hers.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Ya know, I'm not so sure that the old comic is necessarily just criticizing flapper girls. The way I understand the bottom text is "These are the qualities that women of these generations need to have to make men want to marry them", so I think it's also saying that the young men nowadays have wacky tastes as well.

    If you want to be even more charitable, which is probably undeserved I know, there's nothing explicitly written in the comic to indicate that the artist thinks one side is necessarily better than the other, just that things are different now than they used to be. It's possible that it was created by a young guy who thinks the stuff on the left is lame and old fashioned and the stuff listed on the right kicks ass.

    Fuck the manosphere though.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I see no criticism in the comic at all. Young men of the previous generation wanted the girl on the left, now they want the flapper. It's just a comment on how far and how quickly society was changing 100-years ago.

    Also, if the artist were making fun of the flapper they wouldn't have drawn her as so attractive. Maybe it's just me, but she's leaving me hot and bothered. :)

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I think thats a part of the cultural shift. Back then, the way the "flapper"(ive never heard that term, what does it mean?) was dressing was provacative, and by drawing her that way they are attempting to shame her i believe. They are listing what these women are able to do, and from the authors perspective, women NEED to be able to do things on the left. Whereas its a mans job to do the things on the right. Theyre also trying to say that the new generation can't effectively manage a household, which I personally find hilarious, because the author clearly missed the entire point. Women were fed up with being forced into traditional wife roles. They werent interested in "running the household" any more, which the author seems to not understand.

    In a way its a good thing that our society has changed so much its difficult to even tell that the authors goal was sexism. That brand of sexism is so alien now that most people dont even realize its supposed to be sexist, and instead just comes off as cool.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "Flapper" was a 1920s subculture of women that was, well, exactly what's pictured. The original etymology is unclear, as far as I know.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Really telling how much you're reading into this. I wonder what your opinion would have been if you had not seen the editorial bit at the top, only the cartoon. I feel both you and OP are looking for offense when I feel there is none to be had.

    Again, if the artist wanted to portray flappers as unattractive, a poor option for a marriageable young man, he could have easily depicted her as sickly and gross. If anything, it's almost like he's making fun of the demure, old fashioned girl. But that's my modern sensibilities and attractions speaking. :)

    BTW, flappers were a sort of 1920s women's subculture. Google it and hit "pictures" and you'll instantly get the look. They were young rebels, breaking out of the female mold they had been forced into. For example, women simply did not smoke before the 20s, strictly a male thing. Not sure if this was an American culture or if the Europeans shared, or likely, started it. From what I gather, flappers were pretty common, nothing weird at the time. 🤷

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah, i shouldve better clarified that I was speaking from my personal suspicions, not from a place of fact. As for the inclusion of the top context, i dont think it wouldve changed anything for me. My assumption that the comic is intended to cause harm is based on my assumption of the comics age, and my knowledge of how women were genrally seen as property back then. If it were a modern comic, I would be campaigning for the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. But given the history and the likelihood that the author will not be offended since theyre dead, im not particularly incentivised to find nuance from an era of blatant disgusting behavior.

    I appreciate the info on flappers. I don't know anything about them but a couple people were telling me more. With that context, that flappers wasnt a slur or demeaning, i could much more easily see the comic going either way.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes, women were treated a second-class citizens! American women couldn't even vote until 1920. And I think that's exactly where the artist is coming from, highlighting these changes without judgement. One more time, he could have made the flapper unattractive. (I'll allow maybe my personal preferences are at play here. :) Long, thin, knee-high hose, cute headband, small breasts, independent, parties, sexy jewelry, yes please!) I feel you're mixing Victorian, Gilded Age and Mauve Decade (much the same) women's rights into the thing. The 1920s were a breakout point for women. The next advance would be women in the WWII workforce and the next being birth control in the 1960s.

    Very radical times not only for women's rights, but for all of us. Often commented that the first two decades of the 20th century was the Cambrian Explosion of mechanical items. Look at all the idiotic inventions of the time. Nuts. And we went from Kitty Hawk to dogfights in a mere 10-years!

    We'd just come off our first taste of mechanized warfare, worst war in history yet lost more lives to the Spanish Flu and had just gone into Prohibition. Party hearty, but keep it on the down low.

    I feel privileged as GenX. Much like 100-years ago, my generation straddled a radical divide in tech and social norms. Guess that's the new normal though. 🤷🏻

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Wow, did not know a lot of that, thanks. Yeah, i was intentionally avoiding discussing their attractiveness because thats purely objective. Not saying they did, but I could easily see the author drawing them this way because theyre saying the woman is promiscuous, which from my understanding was seen as about the worst thing a woman could be. For the record though, dayum, I want a lady who smokes a pipe. She looks crazy classy.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    No “eat hot chip and lie?”??

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Ayyyy lemme see that wise crack bby

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    They should kiss.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    "Earn my own living" sounds great in this economy!

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  • it's been a hundred years and still no Yuri of them??!!!??

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    I tell you society went downhill when ladies stopped playing the zither!

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Why do you think the right has been trying to make the tradwife movement a thing? They yearn for a time when we were considered property.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago

    Definitely. It's the gateway. And a complete fantasy apart from maybe a few well off influencers living the dream without abuse and other.

    But I mean, you just need to delve into mainstream social media occasionally to see what the men on the manosphere side of this reactionary conservative movement really think and openly say when they're attacking feminist pages daily.

    Any gen Z women that get lured across the line from cottagecore to tradwife are in for a hell of a fucking time with these broccoli top little nazi gen Z boys.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Alright, who's gonna draw them kissing

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I don't think you are doing half of that list while dressed like that

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I dunno, this doesn't feel the same as more contemporary commentary.

    There's no overt judgement call on display in this cartoon. Like pointing out that the older generation looked for women who could sew/cook, but the younger generation looks for women who can dance and mix drinks, isn't inherently saying that one is better or worse than the other. It feels more neutrally observational.

    Comparisons that we see these days, have pretty overt messaging as to the negatives the author sees in some social trends. Like comparing a virginal trad wife to a slutty gender fluid rainbow, and saying the rainbow will be bored with you in bed cause she's had so many miles of dick that she barely notices yours.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Admit it, you had to search "zither".

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Seems pretty evenhanded to me.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago*

    *Edited the absolute garbage title that I had for this post at first.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    anyone else irked that the flapper column doesn't say "crack wise"?

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It'd be amazing to have either one of those options.

    Today it'd be:

    • doesn’t drive
    • can dress in clothing
    • able to criticize everything
    • wastes hours a day doom scrolling
    • likes video games (okay im down with this one)
    • able to earn her own money but doesnt even try.
    • curses like a sailor
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  • [+] -19 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Frankly from the behavior I've seen from human men... well, Earth would probably be better if they were all eradicated. And I say that as a human male.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    And without men, women would die out in a matter of days. And thus ends the human race.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    We're talking half the worlds population just up and dying. Including most of people that see to the basics society needs to even function. Just look at how fast it went south when the Garbage Collectors in England went on strike. That was just One job out of a handful of very necessary jobs. Now imagine no power, no water, food spoiling without fresh food coming in. No one to take the trash away, No one to bury the dead... The list goes on.

    Just losing half the population would be devastating. But even worse if it's all the people that make the cogs of society turn. And that just happens to be predominantly male jobs.

    It's nothing against women. It's just that men are very much needed to make any of this work.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Society collapsing due to half the population disappearing, yes.

    All women dying out in "days" without men, no. 😂

    Even if in work like water treatment and electricity generation/distribution that are mostly men, there are still plenty of women. And huge swathes of the world live without these things anyway. It seems like you're only thinking of cities becoming unlivable, or only thinking of a very narrow microcosm of women.

    As someone who has known extremely competent and intelligent women all through my life, and also lived in really remote and rural places, I can say with absolute certainty that if men just blipped out of existence one day women would be just fine.

    Yes, life wouldn't continue as it had. There would be changes. Just like there would be changes for men if women all disappeared. But to suggest that women would just let rubbish and bodies pile up, and that they wouldn't give any thought to or take action about food supply is delusional.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    I don't think it would. Again, It's nothing against women. I have met incredibly competent and strong women as well. But they are a minority in many of these fields. We're talking single digit percents. Those few would likely live a bit longer than your standard 20 year old cashier, but it'll all be going one way.

    Anywho, humanity would be doomed if either men or women just disappeared. It's just a hypothetical of which sex would survive longer. Not too serious. I just dislike when people say shit like: "The world would be better if all the [insert people] just died."

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