People that are dumbfounded just haven’t been paying attention.
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Honestly though, anyone surprised by this is a fucking idiot. This was in the plan that they wrote and made publicly available years ago. You are not allowed to be surprised by this.
This was in the plan
It's also generally where our government operates. Under Clinton we watched the social safety net get cut. Under Dubya it was cut further. When the poors tried to revolt Obama stood by and let the NYPD brutalize them and let the banks con and rob them. Biden and Trump I also got in on the fun of making life harder for the poors, by standing by and doing nothing as the cost of living has doubled and tripled while wages stayed stagnant. (And for added fun, Biden and Trump have done nothing while homelessness is increasingly criminalized.)
It's who we are at a cultural level. We ARE a cruel people.
The cruelty is not a bug, its a feature.
There does seem to be a sentiment of wanting food stamps gone, because that's a program abused by non whites and immigrants, but SNAP must remain because they depend on it. Then being shocked it's the same thing and it's all gone now. Same with Obamacare and ACA.
My ex-wife turned our baby sitter onto the ACA and she was ecstatic! "At least it isn't that damned Obamacare!" Wife: "It's the same thing." Wish I had been there to see her face.
I think she meant Romney Care.
This was in Florida, unless I missed the joke?
These respondents were self-selected Guardian readers. Doubt many voted for Trump.
Yeah that's what kept coming to mind: All these people are The Guardian readers so they probably already dislike Trump and likely blame him for this loss of benefits.
I would have liked to see The Guardian interview actual Trump voters to see what they feel about things.
Anyone shocked by this: dm me to buy a bridge.
Only MAGAt morons are dumbfounded over this. I mean, they were already dumb... hence why they voted for someone who SAID he didn't care about them and only cared about their vote... but now, they are dumbfounded over learning he doesn't fucking care for anyone but himself.
It really sucks that normal people have to suffer as well, but I will be watching with great joy at my neighbors and family complaining about this when we all know who they voted for. I'm lucky I'm insulated from this, but I can't say the same for my cousin who just had a second kid, is reliant on this program, and is passively a maga idiot. I'll cook for and feed her kids, but her and her Hispanic maga baby daddy can suck eggs.
I heard a take today that it's a purposeful provocation, in an attempt to elicit the ability to use martial law, I assume to keep himself in power. He needs the people to revolt, with violence. I dunno what I think about it.
I think escalation and violence from one side or another is happening regardless.
On one hand, if this is the game he will play he can make things worse and worse and just say "but if you react, I get what I want". Then he ruins programs and gets what he wants. On the other hand he has made things worse and more violent by lying and claiming that there is already a violent response... and he gets what he wants.
Win win for fascism either way.
They've been poking the bear for a while now and the bear continues to sleep. It's either because a good chunk of Americans are wise to their scheme OR a good chunk of Americans are too lazy or afraid to do anything about it. ICE, deploying the National Guard to various places, political assassinations and attempts, potential hunger riots, etc, etc, etc and non of it has worked.
It'll be interesting to see exactly WHAT results in Americans saying "enough is enough" but at this point...I don't think there's anything that will do that.
I'll believe Americans are dumbfounded until I see a change, otherwise it's just opinion.
We know totalitarian aren't above starving their own people. History has many examples.
"Dumbfounded by the cruelty" the cruelty is the point. It is infuriating to watch these people run over their own toes over and over, then ask without any sense of curiosity or desire to understand "why can't I walk anymore?" I don't think they want to know. I think it's easier to pretend that this is all too difficult and complex for them to understand than it is to come to grips with the reality that, to borrow industry lingo, "shit's fucked".
If they're truly dumbfounded by all this, then they're so braindead that they very likely voted for it. No sympathy at all.
"Americans can't see nose in front of own faces"
It's weird they keep generalizing... 63 percent of Americans right now disapprove of Trump.
Tell it like it is: Conservative idiots are dumb and can't understand whats going on.
It's easy to forget that Trump won the popular vote, and that this is his second term.
America has a cruel president because Americans are cruel. That's what they want.
He didn't win the popular vote the first time. He lost by 3 million votes, but a Democrat has to win by a lot more than that because of the handicap set up by Republicans to favour Republicans. He lost by 8 million to Biden and that was enough for a Democrat to be appointed by the "Electoral College".
George W. Bush also lost the popular vote in 2000, but was appointed.
I don't know if Trump actually won the popular vote in 2024. At this point it doesn't really matter. The rich and powerful are just going to appoint who they want, they don't give a fuck what the people vote for. The popular vote is an opinion at best, and it's not considered. Americans don't elect presidents, the ruling elite does.
I don’t know if Trump actually won the popular vote in 2024.
Trump - 77,302,580
Harris - 75,017,613
Yes, he did. "He didn't win the popular vote" was a cold comfort I told myself often the first time, but this time there was no such thing. I had to accept that America is just made up of a larger than average percentage of horrible people.
No we are not. I mean some of us are probably. They get dumbfounded by their car slowing down going up a hill.
Americans who voted for people to be killed dumbfounded as regime moves to kill more people.
Founded on dumb, Americans get snap benefits cut. Still vote against interests.
We're not dumbfounded by this.
Over the last 40 years our Federal Government has always been very intentionally and deliberately cruel to the poor. Democrats have done it. Republicans have done it. In our culture poverty is viewed as a personal moral failing, so it's a-okay if you're thrust out into the street to starve.
(Not saying I agree with it. It's just silly to pretend that Americans really give a shit about poverty.)
Totally agree with what you are saying. I would like to add that I was part of our cities homeless task force. The progressive people wanted to help them and the conservatives wanted to drive them away. Don't generalize too much about Americans because there are a lot of us that want to help.
there are a lot of us that want to help.
I get that. I mean on a macro level.
Gavin Newsom, presumably one of the front runners for the Democratic Party presidential nomination, is enthusiastically criminalizing homelessness in California right now. People are lionizing him and ignoring it for his dank memes.
I don't think a lot of people think that homeless people should be jailed or imprisoned, but when you're content to vote for politicians helping to make that happen as a collective, what you believe as an individual doesn't matter much.
Gavin is a Neolib doing the work of Neocons. The face of corporatism wrapped up in populism.
Not sure why politics get so fucked once they hit the federal level as I have also lobbied reps in DC. I really think it is just the money talking and the only solution is to take it away and design a government that resists corruption instead of embracing it.
I myself am dumbfounded, because the ballot box has failed and although I know how to use the ammo, I don’t want to die alone in a shootout with gravy seals
It's too easy to blame those who voted for Trump. Instead blame the millions who didn't vote against him. Those who sat by and did nothing hoping the collective good would win. And then when it didn't, they wash their hands and say "you can't blame me, I didn't vote for that monster." Thing is, they were hedging their bet. They didn't care who won. They figured, no matter who won, any time anything bad happened, they could say "well I didn't vote for the president, don't blame me."
Blame those who didn't vote. Blame those who were fooled into voting for a third party, dividing the progressive and human rights voters. There are two kinds of people: those who voted against Trump (cast a vote for Harris) and those who voted for Trump (everyone else). They all own an equal share of the blame. And if their benefits are cut, or those of people they care about, I can't muster a lick of sympathy for them. This is what they voted for.
And sure, the president isn't voted by the people but rather appointed by the powerful, but I'm pretty sure if the people voted 2:1 or some other overwhelming amount, they would have appointed the winner of that vote. Only when it's close do they pick the one they actually want, even if he loses the popular vote (George W. Bush, Trump the first time).
Isn't a vote for Trump still worse effect-wise than a third-party vote or not voting?
In theory, maybe.
In practice, it has the same result. If everyone who did not vote for Trump, voted for Harris, we would not be where we are.
Most people who voted for Trump stand by their vote, for one reason or another. You can ask them to apologise but they won't. It's the ones who didn't vote for Harris and hedged their bet and are now saying "not my fault! I didn't vote for him!" who are the real problem. Because they didn't want Trump but they also laid down and let Trump have the victory, for some reason or another.
Look, for fucking decades my mother would not vote. She saw Kennedy killed (and/or heard about it) when she was 9 and she swears he was the last good president. (I didn't like Kennedy all that much. My "last good American president" was Franklin Delano Roosevelt.) Anyway, after Trump's first term, she voted in both the last elections. For Biden in 2020 and Harris in 2024. She wanted Clinton to win in 2016 but did not go vote, she figured enough people would vote for her over Trump. When Trump won, she stopped sitting on the fence and started getting out and voting. And she's like 70-something. Granted she's retired. But if you have the legal right to vote, you should. I strongly believe that. And if you don't vote, I absolutely believe you don't get to sit there and say "well I didn't vote for the guy who won."
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