When people keep telling me to basically deny my reality, it makes me feel more shit than anything else. I'd much rather someone empathize and tell me that, yes, things actually do suck. And guess what, that does make me feel better and more sane

If you don't acknowledge reality and stay realistic that things actually are not always that great, then the next time you get knocked down by something, or your challenges make something you aspired to do rail, then you're just gonna fall apart like a house of cards. Especially if you start internalizing that you should be able to do this and that it's your fault you didn't succeed etc

Treating mental health in an individualist way sucks, and sometimes is worse than nothing

negative thinking and giving up hope literally never helped once

The gambler's fallacy, also known as the Monte Carlo fallacy or the fallacy of the maturity of chances, is the belief that, if an event (whose occurrences are independent and identically distributed) has occurred less frequently than expected, it is more likely to happen again in the future (or vice versa).

Obviously going around in a state of denial doesn’t help

It's not obvious. That's the hitch. Figuring out when to persist and when to accept defeat is at the heart of the emotional struggle.

I completely agree, angry people have never complished anything ever. Not once have people channeled negative emotions into action or art. It's impossible. Just be positive and use that, as it is the only known way of success. Never be negative. Always positive. Positivity only from now on!

That said… I think one of the underlying problems we currently experience here on this site is simple: we have mixed channels that include users who have radically opposing needs.

ETA: spoiler sections re: users with opposing needs

Sorry that's not how ND works.

Telling us we need to cope in NT style only makes it worse. Not to say there are no ways, but we need to find our own.

not true.

I lived most my early life in the darkness. it almost consumed me when I attempted to take my life. know what saved me?

spite.

when people put me down, I proved them wrong out of spite. I stomped them into the ground as violently as I could (metaphorically).

when I put myself down I punished myself, out of spite. tell myself I can't run this mile? run until I want to die. think I can't complete this task before the deadline? don't stop until it's done. that means no food, water, sleep, or relief until it's done.

I am a hate-filled spite powered machine that will only stop if I'm dead or unconscious. never had hope for the future, never had a positive thought towards the future. I just want to "swing my sword" and test my mettle.

They must think anyone with a home and wants to give good advice on how to cope with a shitty life is middle class. Even though that poor soul is in so much debt they likely will never pay it off in their lifetime. That middle class probably.

Yeah its word the kiddies learn but don't have any idea what it means.

Hi.

Not with that attitude

I do. And I'm tired of pretending I don't.

Do "Neurotypical" people exist? Seems to me like the classic example of how the average woman has 2.5 children, but you can't find anyone who actually gives birth to 2.5 children.

You're confusing avreages with normative pressures. Neurodivergence wouldn't exist if there wasn't some broadly applicable set of behaviors, pathologies, and cultural standards to compare "abnormal" behaviors against. While true that there is no truly normal person, there is a normative standard applied to social groups that is used appropriately and inappropriately. An appropriate use of this norm allows us to identify groups with similar diversions from the "norm" and find ways to either develop treatment for harmful aspects of these diversions or (ideally) adjust aspects of the normative social standard that are needlessly damaging to the out groups. An inappropriate utilization of social norms excludes outgroups and furthers the already existing harm done to those groups (a part of this is the stereotypes that you mention).

Or you could just deny the existence of this cultural technology, call it an abstraction with no use or foundation in reality, and use that denial to invalidate the struggles of marginalized groups because you're so high off your own farts that you'd rather use semantics and "nuance" to be an overly technical weiner and hide your bigotry with a paper thin veneer of "scrutinizing stereotypes".

To throw a personal anecdote in, men generally, and white men in particular, have usually been the ones to inflict their unsolicited "advice" on all sorts of things in my life. Especially things they haven't personally struggled with and don't really understand. Plenty of white men have "the hustle" and "grindset" mentality too. And they're usually the ones to be the most adamant about it.

I feel the commentary on relative privilege here is meaningful. I think bringing up race in the meme can be off putting to some but the overall message of how relative privilege allows one to approach problems with a more hopeful worldview is accurate.

The relative privileges being invoked here being race, gender and financial security, though the messaging would still convey relatable meaning even if they had only chosen one.

Underrated comment. I went to school with a bunch of kids who fully did not expect to live past 25 years old. It was a different mindset and they needed and received different advice than I did.

I'll circle back to this

SYNERGY

And then sell you the cure.

Seems like the dude is trying to help with what he knows. Just because it doesn't work doesn't make him an asshole.