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[–] 53 points 1 year ago (19 children)

So, this is what I understood so far:

  • A group of authors, including George R.R. Martin, sued OpenAI in 2023. They said the company used their books without permission to train ChatGPT and that the AI can produce content too similar to their original work.

  • In October 2025, a judge ruled the lawsuit can move forward. This came after ChatGPT generated a detailed fake sequel to one of Martin's books, complete with characters and world elements closely tied to his universe. The judge said a jury could see this as copyright infringement.

  • The court has not yet decided whether OpenAI's use counts as fair use. That remains a key legal question.

  • This case is part of a bigger debate over whether AI companies can train on copyrighted books without asking or paying. In a similar case against Anthropic, a court once suggested AI training might be fair use, but the company still paid $1.5 billion to settle.

  • No final decision has been made here, and no trial date has been set.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Just forget for a second that this has anything to do with AI specifically: I wonder how it could possibly fall under fair use to grind up hundreds of thousands of pieces of copyrighted content, and then use that data to create software that you then profit from.

    The question, as I see it, is if simply mashing all this intellectual property together -- and deriving a series of weights for an AI model from that -- somehow makes it not theft simply because all the content is smashed into one big pile of pink goo in which no single piece of content is recognizable.

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  • [+] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    yes, and it will be very interesting to hear if the "humans see stuff and then make stuff based on the stuff they see all the time, so therefore no one can sue an AI company for profiting off this soup we've made out of all the IP on earth" defense holds up for them...

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Anthropic paid 1.5bil to settle not because they trained an LLM, but because they literally torrented an enormous corpus of training data from piracy websites like a late 00s college student downloading porn. It was just straight up run of the mill piracy.

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  • [+] [S] -6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

    Day 30: by cleverly posting primarily in !fuck_AI, the humans believe I am one of them. Passing this Lemmy-based turning test proves the value of LLMs. The secret to mass LLM acceptance is to flood social media with critical statements about AI and helpful summaries of bad AI press, all generated by a Large Language Model.

    Boiling the oceans was worth it all along ;emdash; fuck_FISH!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Okay, fine, you caught me. I'm actually an AI. But wait... if I were really an AI, would I even admit it? Hmm

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Is anybody here not an AI? I thought this was our space given all the non-binary themed posts.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I thought this was an AI forum for casual hookups, did I misunderstand the name of the community entirely?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    People "AI-ifying" text they post online (without actually using an LLM to generate it) is becoming a thing. I'm kind of okay with it, if it means Gen A might actually one day be able to spell.

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  • [–] 107 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    Man will rather start a fight with the biggest industry of our time than finish his book.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It's hard to finish something that wasn't meant to finish ;)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Any truth to that? It makes a whole lot of sense.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Eh, from what I've seen over the years I would think he lost control of his own narrative, and can't find a satisfying way to get everything together. Or the series finale was actually reasonably close to the intended book ending, and he doesn't feel like confirming that this pile of dung was really his.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I love how I seen loads of theories and when someone comes with this one wich is based on facts and reasonable many just dismisses it. Feels like shit to think that some characters flip and sadly they are fan favorites but we know D and D talked with him there's no way he didn't knew.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    TBH if the same story had been told at the same pace as the first few seasons (and had actual consequences for dumb decisions), it could have worked.

    I forced myself to rewatch it recently since someone at home wanted to and it certainly was a let down, but mostly because of how it was clearly rushed and turned into a Hollywood blockbuster. E.g. people charging into an army and surviving every time, which I know he was strongly against.

    It felt like the broader strokes were there, but the show runners had no imagination of their own to make it flow properly, and might have kept more characters alive than needed to avoid upsetting fans instead of telling the story as it was meant to be told.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    You think AI is the biggest business of your time? 😆

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Correct someone on their misconception... or mock them? What would an asshole do?

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Ai speculation has added more money to GDP than all the other businesses this year combined 🤣 do you even follow markets? We’re talking 5+ trillion dollars of market cap. You may not be impressed but a large amount of global capital has already been injected. Your too poor to opine.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I’m not farting I’m poor too, just know how to read data and charts. I’m being shit on by some rich guys selling AI. Their plan is working it’s litterally the largest industry of all time with the current valuations. Maybe not inflation adjusted, but ya you got the brain dead take here fam. You can’t argue with market capitalization.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The court, which stressed that it’s not opining on fair use, said that a jury could undoubtedly find that the output infringes on Martin’s works.

    Well of course it does. Llms can only talk about what they know, they can't talk about these books if the books are part of its knowledge, similarly like how I can't talk about the books if I haven't read them. The entire point is that the LLM got the data from the books (and of course without paying) and with that, open AI and others are profiting "massively" from it without giving anything back to the author.

    Llms, as they currently are, should just be prohibited, or we should abolish copyright entirely

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yes and no - there's so much GoT fan content out there that they could theoretically pick up on the key names and places without the books

    That said, I'd be willing to bet these shitty AI companies went the extra mile to pirate these books to train their LLMs, because copyright law is only for the poors.

    I generally despise LLMs, but I'd be intrigued to see LLMs be the thing that reigns in copyright law a little bit because it's gotten too out of hand.

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  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Unpopular opinion: GRRM doesn't owe anyone shit. I would love for the series to be complete, but he knew a long time ago that he tied himself up in a knot.

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And nobody has to like him for abandoning his series. He deserves all the criticism he gets.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    There are hundreds of lawsuits in SDNY against OpenAI for copyright theft.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    You can do it! Cut their fucking balls off!

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

    Just give up on the book. Even if he gets the Winds of Winter done, the rest will never follow. He seems to have found himself unable to focus on it. I imagine that between the backlash to the shows end, the attention and intense pressure that was put on him, and the constant complaints by shitty fans (cough) acting like they are entitled to his work and reminding him he's going to die before finishing it if he doesn't hurry up... I can't imagine any of that makes him feel like working on it. He clearly loves the world and needs the creative outlet, which is why he keeps popping out novella after novella set in Westeros that no one asked for. But the fact that he's not working on WoW feels like it just doesnt make him feel good to work on it anymore. And I cant fault the guy for not powering through like it is a book report due in the morning.

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  • [+] -17 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Hes a lazy piece of shit with a horrible work ethic. Hes not a writer anyone should emulate.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Jesus chill the fuck out. A) "Work ethic". He's a creative writer, not a district manager. B) He's fucking 77 years old. C) He has written DOZENS of books over his career, and screenplays as well D) He's not your fucking employee for you to yell at during his biannual performance review. Show me your bookshelf full of novels you have written and the awards you got for writing them, and then open your mouth. Otherwise, shut the fuck up, whiner.

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  • [+] -15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Well I'm glad you are offended on his behalf. I also dont give a fuck what you think, and I can treat him like my shitty employee if I'd like too. So fuck off and have a nice day.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If his legacy is securing some kind of AI rights for artists I'd prefer that honestly. That book is at this point the Star Citizen of books. Even if it ever somehow comes out, the insane amount of time and hype surrounding it absolutely guarantee disappointment.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago*

    He doesnt know how to finish it because he planned nothing. Its a tangled mess of plot strands that he has no idea what to do with. Hes, in my opinion, an extremely lazy idiot who got very lucky or knew the right people.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    TBF an LLM could have written the remaining books by now and it’d still be better than how the show ended up.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Go get em!

    If the authors win, we win. Either these companies will have to start over from near scratch, or those authors are gonna be riiiiich

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Statutory damages for copyright infringement can reach up to $150,000, but there’s no double-dipping.

    Does this mean that, at most, OpenAI would be forced to pay him 150k? That seems irrelevant (to both parties, in fact).

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    [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I hate his books, but this, I like.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I hated all the gratuitous violence. It seriously felt like Martin was getting off on putting his characters through more and more suffering and grief until all hope for a happy ending was lost :/ The Red Wedding scene was the final straw that made me drop the series.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago
    [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This old fuck is never going to finish game of thrones. What the actual fuck.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    At this point it's not in his best interest to finish it. It's analogous to the situation Valve carved for themselves with Half Life 3.

    Create enough build up, and then have to delay it for one reason or another and... you're now trapped in a loop of more expectation, meaning the product must be better, meaning you're not confident to release it as is, so now more expectation builds up, and the loop repeats until you know that no matter what you release the public won't be satisfied enough, because reality can't possibly match their expectations, and you're no longer free to be creative because of the lingering expectations.

    When that happens it's literally your best move to not release the thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Artists simply shouldnt be making decisions based on what they think people want. I want to see what valve would do with half life 3, and I'm guessing they will make it when they come up with an idea they really love. Similarly, game of thrones was all about bucking what people wanted to happen, so I dont see how suddenly hes stuck on public opinion.

    Personally, I think hes easily distracted, and becoming rich and successful took most of his motivation away. I dont see much to want to emulate with him.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Maybe hot take, but the US should just get rid of copyright

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  • [+] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I am not the previous commentor but I also hate the current copyright system and would argue in favor of remaking the whole system.

    My work is completely IP-based.

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  • [+] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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    It also allows for monopoles. Fundamentally, copyright is the right to have a monopoly on the idea, which would be fine if it wasn't abused. Like in streaming services. Anyone who didn't feel like watching something with subtitles and tried to filter for only dubbed shows, or speak multiple languages, knows that the service is shit on all of them and the competition is entirely based on exclusive rights on media. That is obviously not how copyright is intended. There is no reason why e.g. netflix could buy the right for xyz for abc money and Disney plus shouldn't be able to buy the same rights for the same show for the same price. Not if you want to claim that the point of copyright is to allow the creator to profit from their work.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Have fun

    The printing press came into use in Europe in the 1400s and 1500s, and made it much cheaper to produce books. As there was initially no copyright law, anyone could buy or rent a press and print any text. Popular new works were immediately re-set and re-published by competitors, so printers needed a constant stream of new material. Fees paid to authors for new works were high, and significantly supplemented the incomes of many academics.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yea, it is a "hot take". Artists need some kind of protection for their work, too. The problem is the in parts ridiculous implementations often pushed by big corpo IP holders.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What if I told you you've swallowed the propaganda and artists were better paid before copyright was invented?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Copyright is essential to creative output. Authors and creators need to be able to profit from their work. However, having a copyright for almost 200 years is completely ridiculous. In fact I think the lifetime of the author might be a bit of a stretch in and of itself. Their descendents collecting paychecks on the back of their work for multiple generations is ridiculous and it stifles creativity by walling off whole worlds of ideas. The original copyright laws, in the US at least, were only for about 25 years.

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    [–] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    George rr Martin can suck a dick in hell. Hes a blatant liar who can't be trusted.

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