What is this, some kind of poll to get the average age of Lemmy?
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My grandfather had a rule for his kids, and my mom passed it down to me.
You can't have a license until you can:
- Check and fill all the vehicle fluids
- Perform an oil change
- Change a tire
- Drive a manual transmission
- Change belts and hoses
I learned on a stick. I even did some learning on my uncle's beetle with a broken clutch (they were reasonably optional on the OG Bug). And I have not been behind of the wheel of one since. Still glad I learned all that stuff.
Oh, these "let's get people to reveal their password reset question" Facebook campaigns again...
My first car was a 1972 Toyota Corolla! I fondly remember driving my first pet, Max, on good ol' Pine Lane, where I grew up, to go see my mother Joan Hart, who retook her maiden name after divorcing my father!
Every car has a clutch. Not all of them are manual.
Most automatics use a torque converter instead of a clutch.
Most people not in the US. We just call it 'driving'
It's slowly starting to become a lost art though, there's definitely more and more automatics around, starting with all electric cars.
Automatics have clutches too, they are operated, as expected, automatic. A car without a clutch has just one gear.
The overwhelming majority of automatic transmissions made in the last 85 years have had torque converters, not automatically operated clutches (referring to the primary connection between motor and driveline, not torque converter lockup clutches or transmission clutch packs). Cars that use the automatic equivalent of a manual clutch pedal have really only been practically produced in the last 15 years in the form of dual wet clutch automatics.
It’s unnecessary to be pedantic. We seem to have a pretty common understanding that the clutch in this context commonly implies manual transmission, and the vast majority of people have no idea how an automatic/CVT of any kind works or what the internal parts are.
the vast majority of people have no idea how an automatic/CVT of any kind works or what the internal parts are.
So I explained automatic transmission has an automated clutch, but sorry for explaining that.
Ok dude. This doesn’t change what I said. Your explanation is irrelevant to people’s understanding prior to that and your pedantry looking to make yourself right. When people talk about a car with a clutch, we overall assume manual transmission. You want pedantry? Next time say “clutch pack” or “clutches”, seeing as traditional automatics don’t have a singular clutch. So you can at least be right in your explanation.
A car without a clutch could also just be a funny car. They don't really have a clutch, it's more a bullseye looking thing that drops in stages. Basically if you try to dump 3000+ horses into first gear metal tends to explode, so you dump multiple stages that just roast until you get speed. You still have gears, but it's less of a clutch and more of a time delay friction welding system attached to the crankshaft.
It’s not just automatics anymore, but also
- CVTs, especially forneconoboxes that used to be manual
- electronic shifters, sort of automatic
- automatic, with more and more gears
- EVs don’t need a transmission
The thing is there’s no longer much of a price difference and manual is no longer the efficient choice
The change is coming for you guys as well. I've travelled to Colombia on a regular basis over the past 20 years or so, and transmisión mecánica has gone from nearly ubiquitous to almost exclusively an econobox option. Maybe performance cars as well I guess? Wouldn't know about those
Here in Spain it's estimated that automatic transmission is between 30 and 50% of cars. No official numbers have been released.
So most people have learnt with a clutch. Definitely everyone who has had their license for more than 10 years.
Right. Most of you are from the US. Argentinian here, everybody drives manual. I even wanted to buy an automatic last time but my mechanic was like " Don't even look at it. There is none in this city who can fix those. It might be a great value, but if it breaks, its done for"
Still do.
Me too, I like having full control of the car. Plus it's fun to go down slopes in neutral. Wheeeeeee
Yeah, don't do that.
What? Why not?
Because you're not in full control of the car, which makes the comment I replied to rather ironic.
You get a bit of engine braking when you keep it in gear, which reduces wear on the brakes. Modern engines use basically zero fuel when they're under compression, whereas an idling engine uses some fuel. On loose or wet surfaces especially, you're also less likely to lock up the brakes and get into a skid. To name a few reasons.
Thanks for the info, I really didn't know that, I used to do it because I intuited I'd save more gas by doing so, especially because I see the RPM hand go down when I'm not in gear. But I now I know that's completely unrelated because as you say, the engine still spins, but it's not using fuel. I just watched a couple of videos explaining in more detail. Thanks!
Learned it from the beginning. It was my first car. Wanna say it was a late 80s or very early 90s really basic Ford Mustang that my aunt sold to my parents for me to use for like $200 bucks. I loved it, but not even a year later on my way to high school a van flying down the road rear ended me while I was trying to make a left turn waiting for traffic to clear... I haven't had stick shift since.
Here's a pic of around what it looked like so you can see it was a very basic car back then or this model was super basic haha.

As someone who learned driving using a manual transmission car, automatic transmission is much better for city driving, I hated having to be careful with the clutch in stop and go city traffic, my left leg would get so sore after a while, plus I've stalled the engine more than once by letting the clutch go too fast.
Yeah I finally went over to the dark side because of bostons horrendous stop and go traffic
Of course I’d use transit whenever I could. However I lived to the east and had to drive through Boston to get home from anywhere else. There were times when it took hours to drive just a couple miles: I couldn’t deal with manual transmission for that
Sounds like your car was possessed
1982 SAAB 900. No turbo, no sunroof. No frills. Still a fun car to drive. Drove it till the motor gave out just shy of 1,500,000 miles on the ODO
1.5 million?????
I had a total of 6 SAABs. I was a delivery driver that did long distance deliveries, mostly donated organs. None of them died before 1.2 million miles. The closest I ever got to the 2 million mile club was my 1986 SAAB 900 SPG that I got to a whopping 1,854,35*,*** miles. I don't remember the small digits. There are still SAABs out there that are joining that club, and they haven't made one since 2011
That's awesome. I can't think of any car built in the last 20 years that you could expect anywhere near that kind of longevity. Even 'premium' German brands. I had a BMW that started falling to bits after 100k and my SO had an Audi from brand new that was riddled with problems for the 3 years she had to endure it.
Holy crap! My wife's Solara has 368,000 miles on it and I thought that was a lot.
I had a total of 6 SAABs. I was a delivery driver that did long distance deliveries, mostly donated organs. None of them died before 1.2 million miles. The closest I ever got to the 2 million mile club was my 1986 SAAB 900 SPG that I got to a whopping 1,854,35*,*** miles. I don't remember the small digits. There are still SAABs out there that are joining that club, and they haven't made one since 2011
Learned to drive on this bad boy:

Then my first car was this beauty:

It has hydrologic suspensions, it's cool AF. Got it 10yo and 230000km and drove it until it died into a cloud of smoke 😢 RIP
1979 Datsun 210. Eventually sold the thing for five cartons of cigarettes.
When I was 15 in the 90s, every adult in the family, and adult friends of the family, said "You're 15? Let's go drive for an hour or two!" I'm pretty sure that, legally, a parent was supposed to be with me, but I guess any random adult was close enough.
I just added up 14 different vehicles I "learned on," including an old pickup with "three on the tree", a Corvette, a 280z turbo, a 68 Chevelle, an International Scout. The rest were boring vehicles. If I remember correctly, 9 were manuals.
Everyone? How else are you going to change gear?
I think a more interesting question would be:
How many people learned to drive in a car with a manual Choke?
That is still the standard way here. Automatic is something we still leave to those for who a gear is too complicated.
I learned to drive in a big ass truck, but I did recently get my first manual transmission car. It's not that hard to learn I don't think.
I have my commercial driver's license. Driving an 18 wheeler is an order of magnitude harder, but even that is not too hard once you know the constraining rules. I think it is harder to stay in a minimum width lane than it is to shift an 8 speed with 3 splitters and no synchromesh. The rev band is only around 2k RPM, and you only have around a 200 RPM window, with a 50 RPM sweet spot, where the gears will engage without grinding or shutting out the gate entirely. Cars are quite easy by comparison. Driving a tractor trailer, then getting into a regular manual car makes the car seem laughable. It really isn't hard at all.
Dad had to replace the clutch before I had mastered the subtle art of doing two things at the same time in a car.
Also I'm dyslexic and get my right and left mixed up easily . So you can imagine trying to navigate two feet on 3 pedals didn't go well.
I did eventually learn a manual.
OG Mini. So, yes, had a manual clutch. Now, 40-something years later I'm driving an automatic for the first time because they don't make the car I wanted at the spec. I wanted in a manual.
Learned on a 2000s era VW Beetle, and then a Mazda B2500 FW/2WD. Last manual I owned was a 2015 Honda Fit. Now both our vehicles are Automatic AWD.
I did get to drive a little 4cyl manual SEAT on holiday in Madeira which was an adventure. 36% grade roads, hairpin turns -- like 150cc mario kart around there
I believe the better question here is "clutch pedal" as automatic cars still have a clutch, you just aren't manually booting it.
But yes I did learn to drive stick in a 2002 Mazda Protege.
My first two cars were manuals, and I enjoy manuals (drive an EV now so no choice there) but this post reeks of acting like doing so makes us special. It doesn't. We just learned a different skill, and almost anyone can learn it if they chose to and especially if they enjoy it.
I learned on an automatic and didn't know stick. Did that stop me from buying an old manual Mustang? Nope. I figured I had some practice with manual shifting in racing games (console), surely it couldn't be that hard. I stalled plenty of times leaving the lot but once I got it going it was fine. It only really took a couple days of dropping clutch and stalling on hills before I had it down.
Edit- Dang pedants
Exact same story for me. Learned on an automatic, but had ridden a dirt bike a few times and understood the concept. First time driving a stick was when I bought my first car and then had to learn fast as I drove it home. Worked out ok.
I told the car salesdude that I'd buy this car if he spent 15 minutes teaching me. Worked out pretty well!
Learned to drive manual on a 1981 BMW 320i. All of my cars are still manual to this day. 1999 Toyota Solara, 1988 Toyota Corolla GTS, 2003 Toyota MR2 Spyder and 2020 Hyundai Veloster N. But mostly I ride my bike, which is also a manual.
Amazing shitpost.
People really went directly to the manual vs automatic debate without realizing it has nothing to do with that.
Flying over my head. what does it have to do with?
Evey car has a clutch, including automatic. It is so the engine can keep turning without the wheels spinning.
Basically, if your car has a neutral, you have a clutch.
I guess it's a CV clutch?
Cvts usually use a torque converter (which is a type of clutch but distinct from what you think of as a clutch when talking about a manual transmission).
Fluid dynamics in a turbine or torque multiplier with the stater. Turbines uses the fluid to spin up and they usually have a lockup clutch for cruising. Torque converters are usually smoother but don't deliver the full power right away, which is why some prefer a manual. Double clutch trannies are another beast which I love on my vw. I would assume the cvt takes the place of the clutch in the torque converter?
Lot of people searching "clutch" right now
I don't know if electric vehicles have one but other than them all cars have clutches, whether manual or automatic.
An old Chevy pickup, with my dad mocking and bitching at me the entire time which really helped my anxiety about being on the road. Wonderful learning experience. First and last time I ever went out with him to learn to driving.
started off in a Vauxhall Corsa with no power steering or windows, yes a full manual car. Except choke
I did drive some of my mums auto cars, remembering that they dont have a clutch is the problem.
Learnt in a ford mondeo, some early 2000s model.
Still got a manual as my daily driver.
Since the question is 'vehicle': Massey-Ferguson 165. Or if you insist a car: Opel Kadett C.
I did. 1993 Saturn SL2. I bought that car for $1500 in 2001 when I was 16 and quite literally drove it until the wheels fell off (which then ended in me flipping over the car on the highway, but that's a story for another day. That also ended with being the reason I can't listen to "The Red" by Chevelle without a mild panic attack, also a story for another day.)
The idea of buying an 8 year old car (with only 93k miles, at that) for $1500 just seems so foreign now.
All it needed was a muffler, too. I drove it for about a year and a half before I killed the clutch, and that was the most expensive repair it had.
I forget what the cat is even called, but it was an old Subaru hatchback. I wanna say GT? Maybe there's a number... I dunno but it was a tiny lil thing.
Haven't given one since then, though. And I didn't do too well with it either, but I am not a car guy, and I don't drive in crazy road situations that would make it useful.
I'm still glad I learned that way though, as my cars since then made more sense to me. At least until now, since I have a hybrid with a CVT.
I learned to drive on two cars because my parents were divorced: my Dad's Ford Ranger (manual) and my Mom's silly "talking" Chrysler Laser (it literally talked to you, felt weirdly futuristic see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voice_alert ). I never really had a problem with using a clutch, it was the lack of power steering on that truck that sucked. I made sure that I never bought a car without power steering after learning on that truck.
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