There are perfectly valid reasons not to switch to Linux. Many people could switch, which is why encouraging switching is fine, but when the entire work environment is in Windows, or they need specific software that does not work properly (or at all) on Linux, fully switching is not an option. I love me a "Windows Bad, Linux Good" meme, don't get me wrong, but that is a meme at the end of the day. Reality is often much more nuanced, and this is no exception.
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They use the web versions of Microsoft Office?
The important part in business is to not alienate that one power user who does insane Excel magic and singlehandedly keeps the entire company afloat. There's always one or two of them in any company over a given size
The web version of MS Office is similar enough that for 95% of users it's no different, but for the other 5% they rely on functionality that hasn't been ported yet
That said I do think more corporations should be considering Linux as an option for some of their systems. Too many admins insist on installing Windows on everything, refuse to learn Linux and then in the next breath bitch and moan about Microsoft making their lives miserable
Often laptops are so underpowered, and office is so bloated now, its better.
Fun for you, but certainly not possible for your average company.
HR, finance, sales, management only webinterface they use is Sharepoint. All the rest is done on proprietary software and Excel.
Software development have been creating Access programs because they need to work with some old IBM server. We'd not only have to replace that hardware, we would also have to replace the experts and hire ones with knowledge about the new languages to be used, and convert everything on the servers of course..
Marketing is maybe the easiest, but they will need to get used to new software.
And all of the users will need to follow training to use Linux.
Users complain when a button moves a centimeter, they will definitely complain when their entire OS changes.
So no, it is easier to rebuild an entire company than it is to switch the environment.
Something tells me that if a city can do it in 2004, so could a company with all the improvements in 2025. And as with the city, the biggest issue will be the management being idiots (corruption) and/or underfunding the IT.
If a company has to treat their employees like delicate flowers who can't deal with a slightly different interface it's not the issue with software, but the companies' training program / policies and unwillingness to invest in them. And it's not like investments in FOSS IT and your employees wouldn't pay off, all those proprietary licenses are expensive as hell. See link, the city saved money despite even having to develop whole new tools, acquire licenses and whatnot. Lots of small stuff not necessary today anymore.
Not saying it wouldn't be a complicated endeavour, but certainly not impossible and definitely one that pays off.
From my MSP and corporate experience it definitely depends on the organization for how viable migrating some users to Linux might be.
I've seen some organizations that could be migrated tomorrow if the political will was there, and I've seen some organizations where all but 5 of the computer users are running CAD software and interfacing with architectural plotters.
Realistically it all relies on the political will to try something new. With the digital sovereignty push in Europe there's suddenly a ton of political will to try something new and not just buy whatever Microsoft is selling like many orgs have done for the last nearly 3 decades. It's also convenient that Microsoft is trying to say tons of perfectly capable machines are ewaste so there's significant cost savings available to these orgs by switching if they have enough older machines in use still
The Linux community is just a bunch of nerds with superiority complex.
I use Arch btw.
Yeah it’s super weird, if you go to a specific forum for help, like cachyos or bazzite, the community is bearable, and sometimes very helpful without being rude. But if you go to a general forum and state you’re having any issues with Linux you’ll be downvoted to hell and told Linux is still better than windows.
This has been my experience so far as well. But I'm also a cowboys fan who realizes we suck. So I'm used to being embarrassed by a small handful of my own community.
Interestingly it was more or less the same on Reddit as well.
People who bitch and moan about Windows yet dismiss any alternative out of hand aren't "having any issues with Linux." Their issues are (a) with Windows and (b) not wanting to hear the truth of that being pointed out to them.
I'm not sure why you're trying to pretend this post is saying something it's not.
Obviously, being mean to someone making a good-faith effort to improve themselves and solve their problems is not okay, but that's not what we're talking about here.
It’s pretty hard to fit all of what you just said into a meme. For example your meme does not say that windows users are “dismissing any alternative out of hand”. It says windows users that refuse to switch. Maybe they hate windows but they literally must use Fusion 360 or AutoDesk or Meshmixer or RealityCapture or one of the numerous other software options that just do not work on windows.
Anyway, if what your meme is actually about is people that only use the browser and then refuse to switch but still constantly complain then yeah you’re dead on.
It’s pretty hard to fit all of what you just said into a meme.
I see that now!
Anyway, if what your meme is actually about is people that only use the browser and then refuse to switch but still constantly complain then yeah you’re dead on.
My meme is indeed sort of about that, but it's even more about pushing back on the other thread and similar sentiments, where their flying monkeys defend their useless complaining and then try to make us out as the bad guys for responding in any way short of wallowing in their misery with them.
You mean the communities where the rules forbid asking newbie questions because people visit them to learn about new developments and inevitable FOSS dramas?
No I’m talking about complaining about the problems you’re having with Linux not asking for help with anything. It’s literally happened in this exact community here, where people ask what issues people encounter with Linux, and if I (or others) say I have any issues I get downvoted to hell.
What? This is made up. Go to the Ask Linux community and explain where this is happening.
It's like Reddit, or (self aware) cowboys fans.
The rest of the community embarrasses the large majority of us.
It's closer to present-day Lemmy. Certainly in terms of the concentration of crazy. A bunch of opinionated jackasses with delusions that their particular niche views are morally correct and should be the norm, and any deviation from that self-declared correct opinion gets shouted down. The wrong distribution, the wrong display server, the wrong init system, your app is not suckless enough, you're the wrong kind of Libre, you're wrong about something that a new user doesn't even know exists... and that extends to maintainers and all the way up to the LKML too. If I saw the state of the discourse back in 2022, I would've thought twice about even trying to approach Linux.
It's kind of crazy that I keep seeing this, as my experience with Linux users on Lemmy has been nothing but positive and helpful. People here are more than happy to help anyone who comes with questions.
Maybe it depends on the instance?
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The Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon (or frequency illusion If somebody has a chip on their shoulder about rude Linux users, the rude Linux users they see will be highly memorable.
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People tend to get back the same energy that they project to other people.
My instance has a very laissez-faire policy, so it's federated with almost everybody. My experience is the same; I've only ever seen self-aware mocking of the Linux-user attitude.
It definitely depends on your home instance. You're on LBZ, and Ada is a helicopter parent who blocks, bans, and purges anything and anyone that may be upsetting to her children. So yes, you're probably not exposed to the full picture on Lemmy.
Visit the comment threads on Phoronix and you'll see WOKE and FASCIST and COMMUNIST and TANKIE and any number of insults thrown around like manure in a monkey cage. Or try to argue in favour of systemd in a high visibility thread and inevitably someone will say that it's bloat, that it's corporate trash, and recite "enshittiication" like it's some Pavlovian reflex.
the largest barrier to linux is its user base
Dont interact with it then. There are manuals.
The shift to Linux is a tough one, and it just cannot happen all at once. The longer you spend in a workflow, the longer it takes to change it. If we offer our support and kindness to people when they struggle with Windows, it lends more credibility when we recommend Linux. Plus, I'm not really going to complain about another opportunity to call out when Microsoft does more dumb shit.
Yeah it's a tough switch. It's a lot like getting out of a relationship that you know isn't gonna work, but every time you go to end it you think "hey it isn't that bad right NOW is it?" and put it off.
A clean break would be faster and easier for everybody involved.
Now you DO stand to accrue some extra skills by spending some time with a foot in both workflows. It makes you have to learn some weird shit. But in the long run idk if that actually helps more than it hurts.
I took a long time to make the switch lol.
Yeah it’s a tough switch. It’s a lot like getting out of a relationship that you know isn’t gonna work, but every time you go to end it you think “hey it isn’t that bad right NOW is it?” and put it off.
A clean break would be faster and easier for everybody involved.
Exactly! And having enablers of that toxic relationship, like the person quoted in that other post, scolding people for making that exact point only makes the situation even worse.
I think with Linux and the Fediverse there is the same problem. "Just use Linux" okay then, which one? "Use Lemmy" "Use Mastodon" okay then, what instance?
Locking. The comment section is a perfect summary of why so many people don't want to be associated with Linux users. I should've removed the post outright because it is inflammatory, reactionary, and invites toxicity -- evidenced by the fact that the downvotes on dissenting comments are largely made by the same users. I wonder if a pattern might emerge.
There is a discussion to be had about the topic... but it went to exchanging insults and downvoting out of disagreement.
And that's why they don't switch to Linux.
I don't switch to linux because I need to use "breakout rooms" in Teams on a daily basis and they disabled that for linux.
that's weird. does that not work in the browser either?
Yeah, this kind of stuff makes me not want to admit to using Linux in public. Let’s not mistake hating Windows for a personality.
I'm talking about after they refuse to help themselves. They want their learned helplessness and Microsoft stockholm syndrome validated, and fuck that!
Ok, but my point is that, if you want them to switch to Linux and because you like it and seem to hate Windows, I think that's a reasonable assumption, treating them poorly will not make that better for anyone. They won't want to put forth the effort and as a primarily Windows user and having tried Linux on many occasions, I can say it can be a daunting task especially when you need to use the command line. In the past I can honestly say that I have had a lot of help from very knowledgeable and friendly Linux users. But please don't deny that Linux users aren't just a little bit elitist.
In fact I can already picture the current Linux community complaining about the state of Linux if it were to skyrocket in popularity. Suddenly it would be like, all these stupid Windows users coming to Linux, ruining the experience. Companies trying to profit off of it. I liked it better when it was a small community.
Did you actually see the thing this was posted in response to? It was about scolding Linux users for even politely suggesting switching, which is the bare minimum to even begin to try to help solve the complainers' real problem (corporate enshittification) instead of just the symptom du jour they were complaining about at any given moment.
Don't scold us for trying to help you and then have the utter fucking gall to try to police our tone instead of your own!
Insufferable
I know, right? People who wallow in their problems instead of working to solve them are insufferable, and people who scold us for trying to help are even worse!
I want Omnissa (VMWare) Horizon Client to support Wayland. Until then, while I have to boot into Windows for one thing, I might as well boot into Windows for everything.
Maybe next year will be the year of the Linux Desktop.
No one deserves to be treated like that. The fact that there are people that righteously believe people deserve to be treated like that is part of our problems as a society.
Agreed, and I think Gordon Ramsay is an excellent choice for this meme, because he engages in the exact kind of behavior that people are celebrating with this meme: flinging verbal abuse at people who are ‘doing it wrong’ and overall out-group bullying.
Wanting to scream at people for using or complaining about Windows is peak “touch grass.”
how hard is it to like linuz and not be an asshole?😮😮
Unfortunately asking people to learn anything makes you look like an asshole. If you make someone think when they don't want to? Asshole.
Unsolicited advice is asshole-behavior, like it or not.
It's not unsolicited though, the thread OP is referring to was complaining about people suggesting Linux in response to complaints about Windows.
If someone hasn’t asked “what can I use instead of Windows?” then “use Linux” is unsolicited advice. If you absolutely can’t stop yourself from suggesting Linux every time someone wants to complain about using Windows—something they might not even have a choice in, if their job requires it—at least suggest something useful for their Windows problem. Some jackass rolling by when you have a flat tire and saying “you should have taken the bus” isn’t offering helpful information, they’re being an asshole.
This meme isn't asking people to learn anything, it's just shitting on windows users.
I think it's shitting on windows users who complain constantly about windows but are unwilling to learn anything else.
It's not like Linux is 1:1 compatible with everything on windows. Maybe you play a game with kernel anticheat, you don't have a choice in the matter. There's no reason to just be a dick about it.
Maybe you play a game with kernel anticheat, you don't have a choice in the matter.
Who's holding a gun to your head and forcing you to play games with anticheat?!
There's no reason to just be a dick about it.
There's every reason to "be a dick" (your words, not mine) to lying assholes who claim in bad faith that they have no choice when they obviously do.
Who’s holding a gun to your head and forcing you to play games with anticheat?!
Now you're expecting both an operating system and lifestyle change of people. Are you hearing yourself?
"Why should people want to play the games they want to play" is the weirdest argument to take.
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