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[–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

Voice notes on WhatsApp/iMessage is essentially the exact same thing as voicemail but for some reason zoomers are happier with those.

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    When I had a work mobile phone in Australia I had my voicemail saying I was on leave and to call the office.

    The boss wasn't happy, but the customers actually called the service desk because of it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Is that not normal? Most people business wise I’ve contacted or even for medical stuff in Canada they do. Auto email response, change voicemail to contact X or the receptionist.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Your boss would be breaking the law in Australia, now explicitly under the new right to disconnect legislation, if they said anything about it.

    (Though, could have probably been argued in the past also as unpaid overtime in the past)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    This was a decade ago. He was actually annoyed that I didn't change it after I got back from holidays.

    So I was working, the customer would call and get the voicemail on my mobile, then call the main support line and got me.

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  • [–] 96 points 1 year ago* (14 children)

    See, for me, if you call me and don't leave a voicemail, I'm going to assume it was unimportant (or spam) and I won't call back. Businesses, which are most likely going to an unknown number, should leave a voicemail if they want any action on my part. I mostly don't want businesses texting me because they tend to spam the fuck out of you. And I'm sure as fuck never going to pick up the phone for an unknown number.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Recently, I've been getting calls I'm pretty sure are spam. They are all from different numbers, but all of the area codes are from where I got my phone number, which is quite far from where I live now. Additionally, they all do leave voicemails, but each and every one is exactly thirty seconds of silence.

    Spam or not, I can't figure out the point.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They spoof a number close to your number to increase the chance you pickup, they don't know you moved.

    I'd bet the silence calls are to determine if a phone number is active.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I definitely know about the spoofing - that's what made me figure it was spam initially.

    The waiting for a voice response makes sense, but I've never encountered a system that didn't at least say some form of "hello." Not this persistent of one, anyway.

    Thanks!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Interesting, one of the recent voicemails I received was a very high-quality voice courtesy one of everyone’s favorite text-to-speech companies (perhaps ElevenLabs)

    Wonder if it’s possible they were trying to route on the fly, if they had such a low latency system that they’re able to wait for potential victims to say hello before instantly transferring to a human scammer.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Probably a bot waiting for a voice in order to start. It waits until it hangs up.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That makes sense, and I appreciate the information.

    You'd think they would have marked me as inactive by now - they've been calling every day or two, including weekends, for more than a month. I haven't answered once! The persistence is the only thing that made me question whether it was spam.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever, until you are dead it's no longer profitable to operate the automated service!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I got that kind of call for four years after I got a new phone number. 2-3 times a day. Plus texts offering to buy Tuyet's home, appointment reminders for her & her kid's(?) doctor, occasional temp-staffing offers. You can't beat them by not answering.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Had this problem too (phone number is from NM but I'm in MA now) so I just started messing with them. I'd answer "Federal Bureau of Investigation, Albuquerque district office, how may I direct your call?" Click. After about a week of doing this I haven't gotten a single spam call, this was like 2 years ago. Who cares it it's "impersonating a federal agency" or whatever, they're scammers overseas, fuck em.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's AI, I'd be willing to bet. Waiting to detect a human before responding with whatever scam they're selling.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    that doesn't really require AI lol

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Playing back a message when you hear someone pick up? No, they've been doing that forever. But trying to determine whether you have a human on the line or just their voicemail recording? That's something that could start to require more sophisticated language models, and the fact that the message didn't just start rattling something off as soon as something picked up suggests maybe they're using it. Actual phone scams using AI? Well, if they're not doing it yet, they will be soon.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    And I’m sure as fuck never going to pick up the phone for an unknown number.

    You've gotta be diligent: if you do business with something, like a project or an appointment, you need to drop their number into your contact list. Every time. Yeah, it's neat if you need to reach out to them, which will be never because it's on the phone, but it's primarily so they can call you and not be unknown.

    I'd love a QR code with the org's phone/mail/blah number on it at the front desk, because I do in-person a lot because fuck the phone.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Sometimes it’s fun, when you know it’s spam, to answer it while it’s ringing (which may let the operator know ‘hey, they answered, start talking’) and quickly hit Speaker and Mute and enjoy 5-10 sec of them being confused when they hear silence back.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Mine is "You have reached my phone but not me, I don't really check voicemail, if you need to reach me, text." I still get voicemail.

    Some voicemail the phone will transcribe, those I read but really don't listen to them.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Why I still end up listening to a voicemail after reading the transcription:

    Edit: Image had a visible phone number in it. Wasn't mine (just grabbed from Google) but still probably not cool to spread that around. 😔

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    here in chile we dont longer use voicemail, cant remember when was the last time i heard one... That said, a lot of people send whatsapp audios, i understand its easier for some folks, but, common!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    In Colombia I get a shocking number of voice messages via WhatsApp. I got a 4-minute message from my landlord last week that had 20 seconds of actual information.

    The transcribe option in the app is reasonably good, but it's not 100% accurate.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Visual voicemail (voicemail transcribed to text) has been a godsend for me. The number of doctors offices that call with an unlisted number is staggering.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm an old guy, but I hate voice mail. Mine says "You can try to leave a message, but it's probably full, and I'll never listen to it anyway, so either send a text to this number, or send an email to XXX, and I'll get back to you ASAP."

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Then the person sends you a 2 minute long audio over whatsapp

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    [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    i think I have my voicemail as the disconnected phone sound to stave off robocallers. anybody who wanted to call me texted me immediately after to confirm.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Mine emails me an attachment with the recording. It's a lot easier than the old call up voicemail to listen to your messages etc. Lot of people prefer it to writing with their phones.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    The absolute worst thing about voicemail is that you can't just listen to the one you just got. I have about 50 unheard voicemails at this point. You leave one? I have to work my way through 50 just to hear yours. And it doesn't even let me work from most recent. Nope. Just never going to happen.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I used to use an app called Hullomail which brought them into an app as voice clips you can see the caller and play or export.

    It also showed you missed calls while your phone was off since they can just flag when a call was redirected to them. Super useful.

    IIRC they got acquired and removed the free tier but you might still find them useful.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    huh? Android lets you pick from a menu.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What? How do you set that up?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's carrier specific. Mine doesn't do that either. iPhones seem to be the only ones that force it. Otherwise I get to sit through the same dial-in voicemail service as ever.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I disabled my voicemail. Problem solved.

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    Over here whenever you get a new provider, the voicemail is automatically enabled. You need to actively disable it or you are being spammed with messages from your mom saying "hi, yeah, so I tried to call, but you didn't pick up.... So, I'll try again in 2 minutes. Bye!" "hi, yeah, so I tried to call you again, but still you didn't pick up. Why aren't you picking up? Anyway, I'll try again in a bit. Bye!" etc.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I had a phone set up as a tablet. It couldn't send or receive SMS or calls. It was a beautiful decade.

    Then microsoft killed skype-in and skype-out, because they worked really well and the glitter-junkies who've shat something new and broken and slow onto the public needed less competition with working apps. Had to get a new plan with a number that worked. Received a shit call and it went to voicemail on the way from the store to the train.

    I had voicemail enabled for 10 minutes and it was hell.

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My kid can make 100 push ups, when Nobody's watching.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Need to teach her how to turn off voicemail redirection.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don’t like voicemail typically, but I have some voicemails from family members who have passed away and I cherish listening to them.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Since about 2006 my voicemail message has been "for a faster response send me a text message." When I started my business I added my business name and rerecorded the rest. If a client can't send a text instead of call then I'm going to charge them more.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    But one could set up an Archer style voicemail prank!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5kIVXNCzDA

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Until someone sends you a voice to text message. Like fuck that.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I worked for nearly a decade as product support for various voice mail applications, so I feel very strongly about this.

    Fuck voice mail.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    My little sister's voicemail says something along the lines of , "Hi, I'm either sleeping or playing video games. Leave a message and maybe I'll call back"

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    That's actually really smart lol

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Voicemail would be fine if you could click on the voice message in a table and so it could skip the time and number

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    The True Crime here is an 11 year old child with a (I suppose) Smartphone.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Can be a normal phone which is what I would do if I where a parent and my kid would have to bike 12 km to school every day.

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  • [+] 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Well yeah, but it is always good to carry a phone with you especially when you bike through somewhere where there isn't a lot of other traffic or it is off your unusual route. There is nothing wrong with carrying a Nokia 3310 or something

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  • [+] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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    And what if you fell while you where alone and broke a leg making it impossible for you to walk? Or you friend fell and hit his head open on the road being able to call for help is actually pretty handy.

    Like it might sound absurd, but shit happens

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  • [+] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)
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    No you are never that far from society in NL, but at moments when every second counts I would rather just have a phone for my kid. Use something like a Nokia, give them a 10 euro prepaid card and if it is used up buy more and take it from their savings.

    At least that's what ill do when I have kids

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I think a lot more kids got napped in the States before cellphones were common

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    That paranoia came about when crime documentaries got big on TV (and now internet) rather than a consistent increase in abductions. People are really bad at reasoning with probability and undoing attentional bias from media, so they even think it can be likely kids would be abducted if left alone.

    This is why 24/7 location tracking on kid's phones is completely normalized. Sure, it's not a bad thing to take precautions, but tracking your kids like a dog seems a bit much. And I'm sure a lot of parents misuse it for a lot less serious things (eg teens being at the mall unsupervised).

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I would totally understand if it was in a place where your kids can take a walk or public transport to school or other places on their own. I would also want them to have means to call you.

    EDIT: my bad, I ignored the 'smart' bit there. I just meant any phone.

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    I think I was maybe 12 when I got my first smartphone, admittedly they weren't really a thing much earlier than that and while I definitely have issues I'm pretty sure none of them were caused by the phone

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Voice mail still has uses. There are times you need to be able to receive calls from businesses or government entities. Often those entities don't have call centers set up to let their workes send texts. Sometimes the only way you can hear news you need to hear is via a phone call.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Which is kinda funny because they could save money by automating texting for some of the shit they have people call for.

    Though on the other hand, if it's a legitimate business, you can stop the call spam easier, at least in places with enforced do not call lists.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I prefer voice mail, If it's important enough send it, if you're not a contact and there's no caller ID I'm not picking up, I'm not screening your call I don't want you to know I saw the call.

    If you're a contact and I miss you send a text

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Damn I'm so curious about the venn diagram overlap between pet who hate calls and people who love video "news" like tiktok. I bet it's near a circle.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Brilliant. I'm stealing this.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I am hard of hearing. I hate voicemail. And, I hate that I can no longer record voicemail. There has been too many incidences where I can't understand the crucial details in a voicemail.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I get voicemail from blocked numbers

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You need to setup your phone to answer and then hang up automatically on the callers. On my Pixel I only get VMs from spam callers if I didn't have any signal at the time.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    That would tell them the line and number is valid. Not interested in perpetuating their tripe.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    So does having a voicemail? How is that any different.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    The difference is they can drone on all they want and I don't have to listen to it. Can straight delete the voicemails without playing them

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