“This is getting ridiculous and I'm about to just toss the whole thing and move back to Google,” one Redditor said of the “full-volume” ads for Alexa+ on their Echo Show.

Oh sweet summer child, Google is NOT going to be any better at this. That will just be changing one corporate evil for another.

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[+] 183 points 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (12 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    What are you going to do, send them money? That information isn't private, people have to give it up all the time to receive money...

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  • [+] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • That's from the ancient banking system designed in the 1940s that is still lurching around. The protection on a check isn't cryptographic - it relies on the issuing bank to confirm the authenticity by examining heuristics on the paper check like paper type, ink and font used, check number, issuing address and the person's signature. It used to be that you would deposit a check at your bank and then it would be mailed to the issuing bank to be cleared for transfer. You wouldn't just deposit it and get your money instantly, it would take up to 10 days.

    Honestly it is bewildering to me that they haven't changed the system to issue cryptographically secure deposit-only numbers and unique withdrawal numbers that at least verify the authenticity of the check itself.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    In the case of smart tv's it's obvious why it works. It's way cheaper to buy a smart tv vs a dumb tv now, and It's all companies make for consumer side, which only leaves business grade TV's/advertisement boards which cost more. Even if this isn't the case though, with how streaming oriented most people are, the general public won't buy a dumb tv because they would still need to buy some sort of device to allow them to access their stuff. It's just convenient to have it in the same device rather than buy a tv then spend another $25+ on a device that can allow access to streaming, when one device can do it all.

    I upgraded to a "decent" Smart TV for my den (my previous one was an early stage Phillips smart TV that the store was basically deprecated on), and it converted 3 devices I had for my dumb tv, into that one device. It's just convenient.

    I personally think that people should be focusing more on not buying slop-ware, and working on implementing legislation of what companies are allowed to do to consumer purchased products before trying to revert back to dumb tv's and spending 3x as much. The future is going to happen regardless, and people are going to take the easy way out, the easier way is going to be preventing the annoyances from being allowed in the first place.

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    [–] 106 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Any ads is a no-go for me.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I run Pi-hole, and ublock.

    I went to my pal's house and turn on his TV, ad. He turned on his Xbox, ad. Was looking for a specific game on his Xbox, another fucking ad.

    "Too complicated" he says when I suggested setting him up with a raspberry pi.

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  • [–] 82 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    "Advertising is a small part of the experience".

    Well great Amazon. Nobody is asking for this 'experience'.

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  • [–] 205 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    My pet pony keeps shitting on the floor.

    I am very frustrated and did not expect it.

    I should sell it off and buy a horse instead.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Ponies are supposed to shit. It’s more like if the pony came strapped with ill-fitting saddlebags that leak toxic chemicals.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Yeah that was kinda my point :) A cloud controlled device from a tech giant is supposed to shit on the floor start doing ads and invade your privacy. It's what they do. Like ponies pooping, you should expect it on purchase.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    No. It's more as if you had to pay for the pony to get it, and then:

    If you want to ride the pony, that's $2. The saddle has a coin slot to pay. It also has spikes poking both you and the pony if you don't pay. Any time you get off, the spikes relock, requiring another payment to unlock.

    This is the exact same situation minus the animal cruelty part and with money being swapped with time.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I get that we should expect shit like this from Amazon but at the same time, they bought something and the maker completely changed how the device worked after they bought it.

    I’d be pissed too. We have to hold these companies accountable.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'm kind of glad that I don't mind flipping switches and pressing buttons. I've never felt the need for a smart home, so this stuff hasn't affected me much personally.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Home assistant is the way to go, all run locally on a homePC, I have ZigBee lights and switches automated

    An example is my front deck lights turn on at sundown, at 10% brightness, at 11;00 pm they drop to 1%.

    If motion is detected they brighten up for a bit. On holidays they have appropriate RFB effects.

    All of this is automated, none of it talks to the internet.

    My current project is making a harry potter style "clock", with hands for me, my wife, and kids. Can set up some geofencing. Run off some ESPhome and the HA app, which reports directly to my install, without releasing tracking info.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's awesome, but I don't need it. :)

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    Oh, for sure, it's just for fun

    My entire design goal is making it invisible for my wife, so things just work. As an example, I took our doorbell, and made it smart... Not a smart doorbell, but I have an esphome between the doorbell and the chime, so I can turn the chime off, or I can have our phonea get notified.

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This is a real “the scorpion stung the frog” situation.

    There was never any other way for this to go. Is in the scorpions nature to cram ads and tracking into your devices. That was always the strategy even with their Fire lines of devices.

    Ring will be next. It’s already giving them your address, neighbourhood, routine, device types, etc. That data gates correlate to census income data, network traffic, etc. to build a profile of who you are as a consumer.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I mean…. Hasn’t been this with Amazon products forever? I had a Kindle Fire in 2012 and had to root it just to stop ads from showing up on the locked screen

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Don’t Kindles have multiple tiers though? Ad-subsidized or pay more for an ad-free model

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  • Well, kindle e-ink e-readers are different from kindle lcd ipad knockoffs. The ereaders do have a subsidized tier that is cheaper by like $30 and shows ads on the lock screen. The ipad knockoffs are trash that arent worth looking at in the first place so I dont even know if they show ads but I bet they do. Dont buy either.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    But they have gotten significantly worse over time. I did buy a Fire Stick knowing i was getting ads, but it was so much better the Apps on my smart tv and cheap that it was well worth it. Now it’s gotten bad enough that I no longer use it but suffer through the TV’s apps

    I do plan on trying Apple TV in case it stays useable but at this point I’m not buying consumer tech from three years ago

    Similarly with the Fire tablet. I knew I was getting ads when I bought them way back when, but tablets were expensive. Fire tablets were much cheaper and quite usable so the tradeoff was worth it. That long since stopped being true, and this experience is e partly why I don’t have an echo show.

    I do want some dory of home dashboard, but echo show had never been under consideration. If the Apple rumors are real I might try that but otherwise I guess I’ll see when I have the motivation to build my own

    Edit: rereading the post, this is even on devices where people paid extra to be ad free

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I feel like for all the effort you may spend pissing about you could just go to an electronics recycling center buy a relatively new laptop with a busted screen and just use that. Just get a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard, hell I think there are remotes specifically made for this purpose.

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    Yes it has, every amazon product is massively subsidized price wise with the expectation they make it up via advertisements.

    I think the only one that really didn't fall down that train was the alexa, but, well we already know where they are making it up on that one.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    People seem to never learn. Same behavior for decades now from these companies but people are shocked. :)

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    The low cost of these devices doesn’t help, and the constant “sales” they have throughout the year.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Never saw this coming (said no one ever).

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    Well, you would be surprised, I bet at least 50% didn't see that coming.

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    I didnt see it coming. I assumed that having a device always available to add shit to your shopping basket and listen to everything you say forever would be enough for them.

    Honestly it should be more than enough.

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    People should give up streaming subscriptions. How long would it take to learn how to get movies another way, from a friend who is already doing it.

    People dont even own their media anymore and it can be removed at any time. And they are paying for that. Lols.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Its for families mostly. I dont want my small children coming up to me all the time asking for a different show downloaded that they heard about from school, and Erica's parents actually HAVE Disney+ and says anyone who cmdoesnt must be a loser omg etc etc.

    I taught my brother how to do it years ago, and he got his shit virused so fast. I'm not sure if hes colossally stupid or just plain unlucky.

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    I learned how to sail in 5 mins from a friend the other day. It's stupidly easy.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We'll kick piracy into high gear.

    Then they'll make any ISPs suspecting people of piracy to be forcibly shut off.

    The real question is what will we do then?

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    This is a simple problem. Destroy it and end your Amazon prime subscription. Now, your Samsung fridge that shows ads is a different problem.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Why the fuck anyone needs a smart fridge is beyond me. Just open the door and write down what you need. The only thing a good refrigerator needs to do is keep shit cold

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I can see the logic of being able to set certain items that you always want in stock, and your fridge being able to tell you if you're running low or if it's beyond its expiry.

    Can smart fridges do that? I don't think so.

    Even if they can, it's probably not worth the extra expense, complexity, data mining, security concerns, or the fact that Samsung or whoever can shut down functionality whenever they want.

    I just want a basic fridge-freezer.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    @TheGrandNagus @Cosmonauticus how would a smart fridge know whether a box of something or a carton of something was full or empty? Weight-sensitive shelves? Would you have to show it everything you put in or took out to make sure it registered? Seems like a faff.

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    @TheGrandNagus @Cosmonauticus i can see a very dull future of filling in individual details for all minor-brand/non-US/homemade items in your fridge because the fridge doesn't have the details in its catalogue. Or the company changes the size but leaves the branding intact (hi, shrinkflation) so the fridge gets confused...

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "Honey, you know what would really tie this room together? A giant electronic advertising billboard!"

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Advertising..helps customers discover new content and products they may be interested in.

    Someone needs to coin a word to describe this type of infuriating corporate statement. They make astonishingly piss-weak arguments in a patronising tone, as if to insist that reality must be whatever they say it is because they’re a successful company.

    It’s the kind of statement that’s not technically a lie, but still seems dishonest for them to present as though it were a sane response, almost like an attempt at gaslighting.

    I think the person who wrote that response should be forced to wear it around their neck so that everyone can see what sort of person they are.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    "Bullshit" still works wonders.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    It's not just companies. Amazon started pushing ads to subscribers who pay for ad-free Prime video content. Some idiot here on Lemmy actually insisted it wasn't an ad at all, but a "promotion."

    Companies are getting their customers to make infuriating, ridiculous corporate statements for them.

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    I guess? Someone also said "rhetoric", and although it counts as both of these, I'm specifically thinking about these kinds of statements you get in press releases that obnoxiously try to paint the world the way that the company needs it to be in order to justify what they're doing.

    Things like "Customers don't like regulations that stop us giving them the best service", "Our users are clear that they want the freedom to choose what subscription models work for them", you know? Those kind of weaselly shit on my pie and tell me it's a blueberry statements, where they dishonestly attempt to pose as the good guys wanting to do best for the world. They clearly must know that nobody actually falls for it, but they say it anyway because they need it to be out there in order for their paid-off politicians and useful idiots to have something to support deregulation.

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  • There's a certain amount of advertising I'll accept. If I go to see an action movie, 1 to 3 previews of other action movies that are coming out in the next few months is okay.

    Of course, because they tried to force a Mission: Impossible movie down my throat, I might never go see an action movie made after 2014 ever again.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Amazon garbage is literal ewaste as soon it leaves the factory.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I made the mistake buying a Kindle Fire in 2015. A few months in, it was literal garbage. Everything lagged. Very few apps would work. Not much variety in the Amazon app store. Learned my lesson about Amazon products.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    People regret buying ....

    They will continue to support .....

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