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[–] 204 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Oh, so its actually, factually, Johnson who shut down the government.

Good to know as trivia I guess, not like right wingers are on speaking terms with reality.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    I'm curious why the GOP seems to be actively pursuing a shutdown right now, that they have full trilateral control over the Federal Government. Trump already isn't bothering to staff or govern the administrations they don't like, it seems like this would only hamper their goals with ICE & DHS, right?

    Is there even an actual goal here? Or are they betting on Schumer et al caving at the last possible nanosecond?

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Grover Norquist, who founded Americans for Tax Reform in 1985 at the urging of President Reagan, declared in 2001: “I don’t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.”

    https://theconversation.com/the-shutdown-drowning-government-in-the-bathtub-111333

    They are ideologically opposed to the government doing basically anything other than police and military duties, and having the bare minimum legal system required to facilitate criminal convictions for the poor, and the contract emforcement of private business.

    Basically, they want the level of government that exists in Night City from Cyberpunk 2077, but probably without mass transit or even public roads.

    This is what Rush Limbaugh's ditto hesds have been told they want for about 40 years, and now they are just doing it.

    You can prosecute people for thought crimes snd not being the right sexuality or religion or skin color with this, so, that's all good with them.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I would argue they also want the government to collect money from taxpayers and distribute it to the rich in the form of subsidies and contracts.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    I mean, in practical terms, yes, but they will argue amongst themselves as to exactly the specifics, or if they go full libertarian and axe as much of that as possible.

    See the current situation of US Farmers.

    Basically all their direct subsidies have been decimated, SNAP got decimated and that was a huge indirect subsidy for farmers.

    They will probably keep subsidizing the fuck out of oil and gas, but when you get to full fascism, it becomes much less formal and much more arbitrary, impulsive, less well defined, more 'what have you done for me lately' style corruption.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm aware of this, it's just that shutting the federal government down right now wouldn't seem to help in that goal. They're in the middle of a ramp-up of ICE & federal troop deployments across our cities. That's going to get a lot harder it those soldiers aren't getting a paycheck, no?

    Sitting on it, I think the claims that they'll fire workers, all the other vague claims they've made, is all just a bluff to get Democrats to cave-into their demands, weakening the opposition and legitimizing their deconstruction.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    As best I can tell, ICE / DHS considers 93% of its employees to be essentially personnel and has said themselves almost all of them will still be paid.

    Because they are 'critical law enforcement.'

    Beyond that, the Trump admin has already proven they have no problem illegally withholding and redirecting funds.

    So... regardless of who is actually responsible for a shutdown, we are existing in a de facto dictatorship unless some other element of the government actually does something to stop this.

    They literally do not care about laws.

    Coincidentally, I'll just here note that one of the monikers of the AntiChrist is 'the lawless one'.

    Not that I am religious anymore, nor do I think most Republicans actually read their Bibles, but it is kind of funny.

    But uh yes, it is obviously a bluff, they will blame everything on Dems and illegal immigrants and the queer no matter what actually happens, because they are literally psychotically delusional.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That seems like the best analysis I've seen. In general, you can always assume behind every action is "The worst" as their goals and intentions.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Well thank you lol.

    Yes, this, making internet comments, this is why I got an Econ degree and a Poli Sci degree, apparently.

    Would have been neat if anyone listened to anything I was saying, in a professional or personal capacity, for the last 20ish years, but uh, nope, nope, so now we get fascism and economic collapse, and I get to be way, way too sullen to eek out an 'I told you so'.

    Holy shit this all sucks so much.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    This still serves their larger goal of portraying all of government (potentially representing the will of the people to some degree) as inefficient and unreliable. This furthers simplistic "strongman" attitudes, as well as the continued push for deregulation and privatisation.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's a reasonable question. I don't know how many ICE agents are ok without getting the paycheck.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Along with what others have said, a user in another thread pointed out that with a new financial year, they can repeat their performance with their July bill, basically doing whatever they want, so they probably consider it a win all around.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Or even going to be aware of it. This is the current top of Fox News

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    Yeah they've run with this forever, just... strongly implying that somehow, people who aren't citizens and don't have SSNs somehow get Medicare/Medicaid.

    You can't, its fraud if you steal someone's identity to do that, and that barely ever happens compared to how often just some Byzantine morass of paperwork results in an over or underpayment for a legitimate person... and when those exceptionally rare fraud cases did get caught, off to jail for that person...

    But, brown people bad, I guess.

    I think this may be the first time they've actually tried to... point at something and prove that Dems are actually pushing for laws that would do that, but I have also lost track.

    I would say this whole line of logic has always struck me as odd... as... I am on Medicare, and ... presumably so are millions of poor Republicans... and presumably they, you know, applied, which requires an SSN...

    But then I remember I'm not a rabid racist and I can actually read, so it starts to make some sense as to how these people can be this monumentally stupid.

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  • [–] 328 points 1 year ago (8 children)
  • [–] [S] 124 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Yup, this very much. Mike Johnson can go fuck himself.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    MikeyJ gonna get on Grindr tonight to soothe his fee-fees and his pee-pee

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    That's not how you spell kindr (God I hope that doesn't actually exist)

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Based on the actions he's taken to cover up for pedophiles, he's more likely to go fuck a child.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    My guess is that app his son and he use to stop online wanking behavior is to keep his shady desires in check. It's either for kids or dudes, cause no one in the GOP gives two fucks about lust and sexual misconduct with women.

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  • [–] 129 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Did you want them to rush the podium and eat Mike Johnson alive like a pack of hyenas, then reclaim congress?

    Actually I could get behind that.

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    [–] 107 points 1 year ago*

    Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas):

    There are more mentions of Donald Trump in the Epstein Files than there are House Republicans here in Washington D.C. today.

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  • [–] 92 points 1 year ago

    I loved that yesterday Vance claimed that he wanted to work with Dems on not cutting health care, and they should fund the government, then work with the GOP on healthcare.

    This guy is such a liar. The GOP absolutely refused to work with the Dems during the creation of the “Big Beautiful Bill,” despite very loud calls to not cut healthcare to fund billionaire tax cuts.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Turns out that having the legislature operate via a Gentleman's Agreement that assumes good faith behavior and concentrates power in the hands of a small number of people was really bad for Freedom, Liberty, and Democracy.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    But the democrats are the obstructionists?

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Anything but the Epstein files… There must be some really juicy stuff in there.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Well it’s Mike Johnson. The only thing he goes hard for is Trump and little kids.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    He gets creepier every day. They’re gonna find bodies under his house.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Democrats must demand the files be released as one of their requirements. Make it so that Republicans are at fault because they were so scared of the Epstein files

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I’m ambivalent about this. It’s really not as important as everything else, but I feel like it’s the only thing that will resonate with half the country

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    it’s the only thing that will resonate with half the country

    The best part about it is that it resonates with half the right and half the left. And the half of the left that doesn't care already knows the score and is more worried about more direct problems.

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    Except for being on grindr. I'm sure they feel deep shame about being on grindr.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Given the recent government, a shutdown might be an improvement.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Try turning it off and on again

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Oh no, if we don't let the Republicans gut healthcare and restructure the distribution of power they will destroy healthcare and restructure the distribution of power!

    Let it shut down, let every single American suffer for as long as it takes for us to get fed up and ____ our leaders.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Like much of the administration, incompetence and yesmenship is what you get when you hamfistedly shove a junior statesmen into leadership.

    Shit like this is why I spend time volunteering with potential candidates nationwide.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    What cracks me up is when they can't get things done and you always get this. The democrats need to bring us something good enough. Does not matter if they are majority or minority they can't figure shit by themselves.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    I think it has been thoroughly and repeatedly established that this poor excuse of a withered Dollar Store twist-tie has no shame.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Isn't shutting down the federal government better?

    States rights, amirite?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Can’t wait to see his grinder account

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Anarchists continue to celebrate

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    He's gonna nut to that later.

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