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[–] 157 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

And there’s why they “unfired” him.

Losing roughly a quarter of a billion per year in revenue makes them rethink things.

—— 9.99 per month for Disney basic 15.99 for Disney plus.

Just for easy math average those two so $12.99 per month.

$12.99 x 1,700,000 x 12 months = $264,996,000

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    And how many of those resubscribed, since Disney obviously learned their lessen.

    Fuck Disney. If you didn't know who they were, you do now. Publicly traded companies care about one thing:

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I was kind of shocked how many people on here resubbed a day later and told others to do the same because they got the message.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That is sort of the point with those protests. If they don't go back there is no treat whenethe puppy does a good job. until theyeare trained you need positive reinforcement.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It's less than 1% of their subscribers.

    It's a drop in the bucket. Sadly.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Just google how many subscribers they have. They're public. It's available info.

    It's just shy of 1 percent.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    How many of those are through add-on deals like they offer through Verizon? I'm curious how discounted it is through them (some plans offer Disney+ for "free" I believe) and how much that inflates the subscriber rate.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Great question. I used to be able to authenticate to dis ey plus but not vide material with my Hulu creds after the merger which I was exploring for vulns. Did t find much. Plausible though.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I cancelled after having the service for several years.

    And then they jacked up the prices? Good luck with that shit, bozos.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Don't resubscribe to any of the Disney related streaming services. Find your love in the high seas, mateys!

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    [–] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'd like to know where those numbers are coming from, but it is believable.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Keep the boycott going.

    Disney caved in to POWER, and then Disney caved in to money.

    Their morals are all wrong. People were not even in the equation.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Morales my dear sir? A corporation is a base beast. You can teach it the lessons of carrot and stick, but do not be so fooled as to think it can learn compassion or morality. When left alone in the darkness this little mouse's eyes glow orange and its jowls drip moist with frothy salivation.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Their beloved founder, Walt Disney, was a patriot who respected the First Amendment. Was he not? Where is leadership with principles? Why is greed for a multi-billion dollar merger now the sole driving force of these knee-jerk business decisions? How many other less prominent scenarios like this guiding their leadership decisions?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    And then gained the majority of them back immediately after unsuspending him I would guess? As consumers, we are far far far too quick to forgive.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's good to reward good behavior too. If none of them came back then they might as well have just shrugged their shoulders and said "oh well" and left him off air.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Maybe the situation here is different, but in the video game industry when boycotts happen due to scummy business practices and then get instantly forgiven, those companies in question usually figure out a new way to implement those scummy practices that flies under the radar. Or they just do it again, at a better time.

    I can't help but feel Disney will now work out a new way to appease the fascist regime, but without openly annoying supporters like this. Maybe those private "thoughtful conversations" they had with Kimmel contained some directives. Maybe we'll get a more neutered show now. Appeasing the regime is the problem really.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yeah basically I think the closer to 50% renewal the better. That sends a nice message of " it was worth it to go back on the decision, but we also need to not do more things like this". This is generally the good strategy for forgiveness in between individual humans too. Forgive 50% right off the bat. If you forgive 0% then there's no point in them changing their behavior, if you forgive 100%, there's also no point in them changing their behavior, because they can just do whatever they want and then collect 100% forgiveness afterwards. So you gave around 50% depending on the severity of the wrongdoing, and then incrementally build that back up with continued good behavior.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Bend the knee again. I dare ya. I double dog dare ya.

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  • [–] 58 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    I hate to be that guy but this whole thing has frustrated me deeply. It shows we’re willing to fight back and do know how, but our selective use of that power is rather superficial.

    Yes, I understand this was very important in the realm of speech but it still has an overtone of celebrity culture. Most people can’t be bothered to boycott to end genocide or to protest legislation or support the courts or to advocate for worker rights or healthcare, but to save a celebrity that makes this nightmare easier for them to swallow every night? Sign everyone up!

    It feels less about protecting free speech and fighting fascism and more about them protecting their humor drug that makes “the bad place” more palpable.

    Americans know how to fight back they’re just unwilling to do it unless their TV personality who gives them feel good juice is on the milk carton. I know that’s harsh but it’s just frustrating watching everyone cry about how helpless they are until their feel good nightly placebo(s) was/are on the line.

    Again, I get the importance and the way the target was clear etc. It’s just frustrating to watch people cry they don’t know what to do then step up big time for famous people but not their communities, neighbors or their own family’s wellbeing.

    This is a huge win and I don’t mean to detract from that. Please keep boycotting and hopefully this drives it home to more people that this is an effective tactic across the board. I just needed to vent a little.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I hear you, but cancelling 1/4 of your streaming services with the knowledge that can be reversed easily at any time is hardly the same as protesting or boycotting something tangible or an entire industry. I don't think this has anything to do with celebrity worship, and it has everything to do with how easy the protesting can be.

    This protest could be done from home in three minutes, you don't suffer the consequences until the end of the month, and we all know less TV is better for us regardless of speech so there's very little downside.

    I agree Americans aren't doing enough. I wish we were doing more.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    People also arent directly paying Israel $20 a month or whatever, which can be cancelled at a whim. The most support that the average American sends to Israel is via US tax dollars. Good luck not paying your taxes just to send a message without ending up in prison, not to mention being unable to buy anything through typical means

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago*

    Excellent points from you and the person you responded to. I’d still argue that a minimum effort - maximum effect action of canceling subscrptions is still a lot better than just ”hopes and prayers”.

    As pompous as this may sound I do think subscription cancellation is an awesome protest tool that might, in best case scenario, affect Disney’s future business decisions. Maybe they won’t hire Alex Jones or make a musical animation about how great Hitler was if they’re afraid that their bottom line will be hit hard.

    But yeah, we’re living in a timeline where Indiana Jones punching a nazi is a hate crime so the bar for things to be happy about is veeeeery low.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    To show your support for free speech and protest US government's actions all they had to do (in this instance) was to unsubscribe from Disney+.

    How do you protest for the ending of the Palestinian or Uyghur genocides? Who do you boycott? What do you unsubscribe from?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    BDS, for one.

    There is a well established movement to determine exactly what you're asking for.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    You have it backwards.

    Protesting by showing support to a "rival idea" only works if the forces involved are near equal.

    Protesting by showing lack of support almost never works (see: BLM).

    Protesting by switching off the money flow works always.

    I can't support Palestine by taking money away from Israel, because I am not giving money to Israel - my government is. The only way for me to stop paying taxes would be to stop earning money.

    The protests against the sacking of Kimmel worked because they were in the form of an immediate money cut-off for Disney. Nothing similar exists in the case of "grown up issues", like the Uyghurs or Palestinians.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think it actually shows we don't know how to fight back.

    With Disney all they had to do was unsubscribe (or in some way contact Disney) to show their frustration.

    How do I do that with ICE? How do I do that with Republicans (when all of my reps are Democrats).

    Disney has a bottom line they worry about, but this administration doesn't care about my opinions or my wallet (look at the direction the economy is going). So even if I could directly tell them I'm not happy with things (and I do in some ways), they don't care.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Sadly, most people are selfish and don't give a shit about horrors happening in another country on the other side of the world.

    That's why, by the way, when news report on horrors, they state "173 dead people including 2 americans", even though it absolutely does not matter where piece of land the victims were born on.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    There are a lot of lethargic people who think "Liking" a post will change the world for the better. Canceling Disney services is one of the lowest effort things we collectively could do as it also provides the side benefit of removing a monthly expense in these overpriced times.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    1.7 million sounds like a big number however what is the total amount of subscribers for Disney?

    If Disney has 100 million subscribers and Disney freaks out about losing 1.7% of subscribers. It kinda shows how easy it is to apply economic pressure to companies.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    It is reportedly around 130 million. I suspect the reason why Disney is freaked out about the loss is that it's costs are almost entirely fixed. It takes the same amount of money to produce a movie or a show regardless of how many people end up watching it. Unlike producing physical goods where less customers also means less materials and work needed. So losing subscribers decreases their revenue but unlike other businesses, it does not decrease their expenses, putting their budget in trouble much faster.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    They lost $6.4 Billion in valuation.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Now that they brought him back, there's going to be another wave of revenue loss. A political pincer movement lol.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The right was pissed at Disney years ago though (I can’t even remember what BS for); they’ve weathered that storm before.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    I think this all started when Disney DARED to do the unthinkable and put a light saber in the hands of a Black actor for about 2mins. On top of that Disney RUINED EVERY CHILDHOOD EVER by making a female the main protagonist of the SW sequels. That was a bridge too far for the cheeto dust covered sad bois who were living with their parents at age 42, and the rest is history.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    I'm doing my part!

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  • A decent start

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That number is encouraging.

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  • That number is a lie, mate. Disney doesnt give those numbers out, for very good reason. Its some random on bluesky chatting shit for internet points. And for some reason people are repeating it like its fact.

    Welcome to the new mainstream media...

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Just because a company had deep pockets doesn’t mean they don’t care about losses. Being a publicly traded company does drive their behavior to some degree. It only 1 news report to make them lose investors.

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    [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    In some way, a similar thing needs to be done to any entity supporting or bowing to Trump. From countries to colleges to people in the government and so on. The big question is how to do that, how to get people to come together and do that.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Education, empathy, and selfless service. These are lost principles traded in for greed, vanity, and pride. Civility and respect are needed. Seeing Constitutional principles and inalienable rights as greater than money is key.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Bullshit. Disney doesnt release that information. This is just some random on bluesky chatting shit for worthless internet points and some other desperate sad case repeating it for the same reason.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Disney has over 200k employees. Is it really that much of a stretch that one of them talked to a journalist? I'm not an accountant.. haven't ever talked to one that handles my workplace, but I still know how much money we're making and how much other branches of the same company are making and what the drama in the other places is and so so much more.. people talk... It's that's easy.

    And even if it's a lie.. Is the 4B drop from disney also a lie? Is the fact that they promptly brought him back also a lie? The fact the first show after his return was watched by 3 times the normal amount of people? The number might be real or it might not, that's how journalists' sources work, but it's accurate that the boycott worked. Even if there were only 10k people, it still had a visible effect. That's what matters.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yes it is, its even more hard to believe that that person would talk to a no name on bluesky and tell them "sure, post that shit, mate.". Considering the world of legal hurt that person would be in.... nah.

    This is all the same dog shit that was posted when Gina Carano got fired. They had their little boycott, then their click bait press told them a lot of shit about lots of cancellations, followed by drops in stocks, etc etc etc. Its recycled dogshit, and youre all falling for it, just like they did with Carano. Wake the fuck up and see the media for what it is.

    Get this through your fucking head. The boycott did not work. Disney doesnt make its money is subs, it makes its money everywhere else. If you really wanted to hurt disney, the way to do that was watching ABC and seeing who the local ads were being run by and then contacting them. They, the advertisers, are who Disney would listen to. They do not give a single fuck about you, me or anyone else who watches their slop.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    "get this through your fucking head".. lmao.. you'd have a bit more credibility if you weren't wrong out of the gate about the "no name on bluesky".. and the Carano thing... and if you weren't cursing just because people disagree with you... And if you weren't a no name on lemmy... Thanks but.. for now I'll go with the journalist

    You are right about one thing, tho, I'll give you that. Advertisers have a lot more power than me and you. But not all of us together. Sure, getting a ton of people to agree on one thing is hard, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. That's what they want you do. To be little obedient little sheep that think they can't do anything.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I dont give a fuck about disagreeing with me, fill your boots. What I find annoying is that you all get so fucking high and mighty when some shitty media whore says something that fits your narrative, and all of sudden common sense and reason go out the window. And all because what, you want feel like you won something? Pfft.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Good. May it continue to hurt.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The sad part is that these numbers are made up and Disney probably won't really be affected by this.

    Unless a majority of D+ unsubscribes, stay unsubscribed, this will be little more than a blip on their financials.

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    My brother-in-law quit his local tv station job over the censorship. Affiliate network. Proud of him!

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Don't go back.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I really want to cancel Disney, but my wife won't let me because her currently bed bound mum likes to watch it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Set up the arr suite and never look back. With jellyseer allowing users to pick whatever content they want, all the complexity is obscured behind the scenes. It just shows up in jellyfin or plex.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Thanks I'll take a look. Might be something I can do easily enough for me, but she doesn't live with us and trying to get a pair of 70 year olds to figure out new tech ain't easy!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    If you need to expose outside your network, it can be done, but it requires much more care. But when it comes to usage, these consumption apps are crazy good ux these days; feels much like Netflix or Apple TV.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Cause fuck’em, that’s why!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    A tyrant threatened a private business and a person was fired from that pressure. Over their comments about politicians making things too political.

    I don't give a shit about Kimmel or Disney or some corporation's bottom line. These things are not important. They are ancillary details to the context of a dictator shutting down free speech.

    This stuff is more like celebrity gossip... It's gossip related to a thing that matters.

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  • That's a fuckload of lost solid revenue.

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