That's great! Let's use it for healthcare, taxes, education, news and military operations. 👍
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What do you mean "admits"? It has been known from the very beginning to everyone who has read about LLMs at least from the output of those very LLMs (the irony, huh?).
Beyond proving hallucinations were inevitable, the OpenAI research revealed that industry evaluation methods actively encouraged the problem. Analysis of popular benchmarks, including GPQA, MMLU-Pro, and SWE-bench, found nine out of 10 major evaluations used binary grading that penalized “I don’t know” responses while rewarding incorrect but confident answers.
“We argue that language models hallucinate because the training and evaluation procedures reward guessing over acknowledging uncertainty,” the researchers wrote.
I just wanna say I called this out nearly a year ago: https://lemmy.zip/comment/13916070
One of these days, the world will no longer reward bullshitters, human or AI. And society will benefit greatly.
The Lion was THIS big and kept me in that tree all day. And that is why I did not bring back any prey.
Ignore the smell of fermented fruit on my breath.
No it won't
People talk nonsense a lot.
Both because they're lying and because they believe nonsense that'll never happen.
Your comment is an example of evidence that your comment is wrong, but I don't have enough to tell whether you know that or not.
One interesting consequence of the rise of AI is that fools place them in higher and higher positions of information parsing and decision-making, it will be the AI marketers will have to bullshit, and depending on how decent that AI ends up being, this could be quite difficult.
I don't know where I read it but sort of said that it to have that much information inside the models it was basically similar to a compression algorithm.
From logic, if we have a lossy compression then its mostly luck if the output is equal to the original. Sometimes it will tip one way and sometimes the other.
A hallucination is something that disagrees with your active inputs (ears, eyes, etc). AIs don't have these active inputs, all they have is the human equivalent of memories. Everything they draw up is a hallucination, literally all of it. It's simply coincidence when a hallucination matches reality.
Is it really surprising that the thing that can only create hallucinations is often wrong? That the thing that can only create hallucinations will continue to be wrong on a regular basis in the future as well?
I don't get why they'd be called hallucinations thought. What LM's do is predict the next word(s). If it hasn't trained on enough data sets, the prediction confidence will be low. Their whole output is a hallucination based on speculation. If they actually don't know the next word order, they'll start spewing nonsense. Though I guess that would only happen if they were forced to generate text indefinitely.. at some point they'd cease making (human) sense.
LMs aren't smart, they don't think, they're not really AI. There aren't errors, there aren't hallucinations, this is by design.
... yes? This has been known since the beginning. Is it news because someone finally convinced Sam Altman?
Neural networks are universal estimators. "The estimate is wrong sometimes!*" is... what estimates are. The chatbot is not an oracle. It's still bizarrely flexible, for a next-word-guesser, and it's right often enough for these fuckups to become a problem.
What bugs me are the people going 'see, it's not reasoning.' As if reasoning means you're never wrong. Humans never misremember, or confidently espouse total nonsense. And we definitely understand brain chemistry and neural networks well enough to say none of these bajillion recurrent operations constitute the process of thinking.
Consciousness can only be explained in terms of unconscious events. Nothing else would be an explanation. So there is some sequence of operations which constitutes a thought. Computer science lets people do math with marbles, or in trinary, or on paper, so it doesn't matter how exactly that work gets done.
Though it's probably not happening here. LLMs are the wrong approach.
Great. With that mathematically settled, can we spend all that money, computing hardware and electricity on something more worthwhile now?
They're still lying. For fucks sake. It's like they impaled you on a pike and just admitted "okay so we did prick you with that needle".
ALL IT DOES IS HALLUCINATE. ALL IT DOES IS HALLUCINATE. ALL IT DOES IS HALLUCINATE. ALL IT DOES IS HALLUCINATE!
SOMETIMES the hallucinations happen to resemble reality. Just because a hallucination happens to look similar to reality does not make it real.
IT IS NOT PERCEIVING REALITY.
EVER!
EVER!
Ever.
It's unfortunate that the word "hallucination" even got associated with LLMs in the first place... Hallucination refers to an erroneous perception. These chatbots don't even have the capacity to perceive, let alone make errors. They have no senses, no awareness, no intentions, nothing. It's just an inanimate machine crunching through a complex formula. Any resemblance to reality is purely coincidental.
The OpenAI research identified three mathematical factors that made hallucinations inevitable: epistemic uncertainty when information appeared rarely in training data, model limitations where tasks exceeded current architectures’ representational capacity, and computational intractability where even superintelligent systems could not solve cryptographically hard problems
Perhaps it's because I'm dumb, but does anyone else feel like there are lots of buzzwords here?
Like, does "cryptographically hard" refer to NP-hard or something??
This may be a mean thing to say, but could parts of this article be generated by an LLM?
I think it's saying that LLMs won't crack public key cryptography no matter how many times you ask them to please do it and they'll sooner make up something instead
It all means something.
The first case is when it has limited samples on a particular topic, leaving it with insufficient data - "epistemically uncertain"
The second is when it tries to think about something, but it doesn't have the ability to hold it in mind, the thought is in some way too large, that's representational capacity.
The last is just, factoring stupid large numbers, and things of that nature.
We're not going to read this one deeply, because we're pretty sure this was demonstrated a while ago. Cool for OAI to catch up with the current state of the field, we guess?
As a mathematician dabbling in AI: we told you so
... yes? This has been known since the beginning. Is it news because someone finally convinced Sam Altman?
Neural networks are universal estimators. "The estimate is wrong sometimes!*" is... what estimates are. The chatbot is not an oracle. It's still bizarrely flexible, for a next-word-guesser, and it's right often enough for these fuckups to become a problem.
What bugs me are the people going 'see, it's not reasoning.' As if reasoning means you're never wrong. Humans never misremember, or confidently espouse total nonsense. And we definitely understand brain chemistry and neural networks well enough to say none of these bajillion recurrent operations constitute the process of thinking.
Consciousness can only be explained in terms of unconscious events. Nothing else would be an explanation. So there is some sequence of operations which constitutes a thought. Computer science lets people do math with marbles, or in trinary, or on paper, so it doesn't matter how exactly that work gets done.
Though it's probably not happening here. LLMs are the wrong approach.
I think it's a bit overzealous to say LLMs are the wrong approach. It is possible the math behind them would be useless to a true AI, but as far as I can tell, the only definitive statement we can make right now is that they can't be the whole approach. Still, you're absolutely right that there is a huge set of operations we haven't figured out yet if we want a genuine AI.
My understanding of consciousness is that it isn't one single sequence of operations, but a set of simultaneous ones. There's a ton of stuff all happening at once for each of our senses. Take sight, for example. Just to see things, we need to measure light intensity, color definition, and spacial relationships, and then mix that all together in a meaningful way. Then we have to balance each of our senses, decide which one to focus on in the moment, or even to focus on several at once. And that hasn't even touched on thoughts, emotions, social relationships, unconscious bodily functions, or the systems in place that let us switch things back and forth between conscious and unconscious, like breathing, or blinking, or walking, and so on. There are hundreds, maybe thousands of operations happening in our brains simultaneously at any given moment.
So, without a doubt, LLMs aren't the most energy efficient way to do pattern recognition. But I find it hard to believe that a strong system for pattern recognition would be fully unusable in a greater system. If/when we figure the rest out, I'm sure an LLM could be used as a piece of a much greater puzzle... if we wanted to burn all that energy.
To the network, matrix operations are simultaneous. Not that I believe parallelism is necessary. Embodiment is more plausible, but we just don't know.
We do know LLMs kinda suck. They're a bad first attempt. Diffusion emerged at the same time, and now generates plausible video faster than a camera. Those models are witchcraft and the witchcraft keeps getting stronger. LLMs hit a plateau because this is what they do. An ungodly amount of money has been spend chasing marginal improvements at ballooning scale. Higher abstraction will likely emerge as companies shrink models down and pursue maximum training epochs... but they'll always be more chatbot than person.
They do simultaneous workloads but each load is essentially performing the same function. A person, on the other hand, is a huge variety of differing functions all working in tandem; a set of vastly different operations that are all inextricably linked together to form who we are. No single form of generative algorithm is anything more than a tiny fraction of what we think of as a conscious being. They might perform the one operation they're meant for on a much greater scale than we do, but we are nowhere near linking all those pieces together in a meaningful, cohesive stream.
Edit, think of the algorithms like adding more cores to a CPU. Sure, you can process workloads simultaneously, but each workload is interchangeable and can be arbitrarily assigned to each core or thread. Not so with people. Every single operation is assigned to a specialized part of the brain that only does that one specific type of operation. And you can't just swap out the RAM or GPU; every piece is wired specifically to interact with only the other pieces they were grown together with.
sucks when the pesky limits of physical reality get in the way of your AI superintelligences from actually being intelligent.
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