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[–] 171 points 1 year ago (5 children)

God made sure only Charlie Kirk was killed. It's as if God smote Charlie in the middle of a crowd, in the middle of saying hate, and spared the onlookers.

Yeah, I don't think that's a good thing for fans of Charlie.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Except any time you point out inconsistencies in their beliefs they'll just wave it off with "goD wOrkS In mYsTerIoUs wAyS"

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  • [–] 122 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 98 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    they are going to try and make him a fuckin Saint? I wonder which white nationalist religious wacko will try to have him canonized ....

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I saw some Republicans in Congress were calling him the 13th disciple of Jesus. There's definitely an attempt to infuse religion into the mythology being constructed around him.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Was he Catholic? Or do protestants even have saints?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    no and yes. I think the Christians that do it use the same rules for recognition but don't require the Pope's declaration

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    I can't imagine most protestant denominations have the organizational and bureaucratic capacity for catholic sanctification. It looks like Anglicans kept the pre split saints and then created a new category of heroes and they seem to do their own thing for it. That's the most similar protestant denomination to catholicism.

    It's really hard to imagine a scenario where the baptists are organizing enough to do a trial where evidence for and against sainthood are presented. Also the concept of saints is entirely Tradition so it violates sola scriptura

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  • [–] 82 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The doctor added that Kirk’s "bone was so healthy and the density was so so impressive that he’s like the man of steel. It should have just gone through and through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him too."

    Do people really believe these fairy tales? It's the same absurd rhetoric they use regarding Trump. Reminds me of the rhetoric North Korea uses about Kim Jong Un

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  • [–] 77 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    There was no one behind him and the shooter took one shot, how would someone else have been killed?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Bro have you not seen how the shot moved around the car in the JFK assassination? Quantum bullets are out of control.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    If he wasn't there, someone farther away might have been killed

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    If he wasn't there, no one would be shooting.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Do we know enough about the shooter's motif to be sure about that?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The shooter who went to a Charlie Kirk event, took one clean shot at Charlie Kirk, saw Charlie Kirk go sideways and left the scene? I wonder what their motive could have been, maybe they would have shot someone else if Charlie Kirk hadn't been there to bravely catch that bullet.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Charlie Kirk was filled with a huge amount of methane under pressure. You could hear it when he opened his mouth.

    Luckily everyone in the crowd could smell it once he popped a leak and high tailed it out of there.

    The crowd dodged a bullet...

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Holy shit these people are insane

    Like actually insane and unreasonable

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I've been calling MAGA a mental illness for a decade. Everything they have done, and continue to do, indicates severe logical corruption in every sense of the word, and it's transmissible through propaganda.

    That's why the USA is cooked, for generations, and is damn near guaranteed to experience civil war &/or Christian fascist dictatorship before anything gets better. There's no coming back from a mental illness epidemic affecting a double digit percentage of the population.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think they're just fucking stupid.

    Not uneducated people with critical thinking skills.

    Just actually, really, super fucking dumb. There is no nuance to them. Everything is black and white and only happens one way. Life is straight forward, and its hell the whole time. That's it. That's the end.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh uh. My comment has a "these" (pronoun) without a specific thing its tied to. I did mean trump voters in general but moreso the people who are outwardly part of it. Fox news. The cabinet. Etc.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Ah yeah, I definitely narrowed your comment to just apply to the voting base, even though the crazy ass headline in question is being perpetuated by the grifters.

    Thats mah B!

    I do agree though, those who are feeding the voters are insane/unreasonable and evil. And I think they know that their base is dumb enough to accept their grifting "words of wisdom."

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    A guy who knows him said a doctor said he had a bulletproof neck? And this is national-level news to publish?

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    What does this say about the Trump assassination attempt where that firefighter was killed?

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  • [–] 59 points 1 year ago (7 children)
  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Bullet fired WITH the shell casing. Impressive.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That doesn't have the casing. Rifle bullets are usually pretty long.

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  • [+] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    It doesn't have any of the shape a casing has. There'd be a flared base, for example. This doesn't have that. It is a painting though, not a picture, and the colors aren't accurate. The shape is consistent with no casing though, so I'm betting that the color is just not quite perfect.

    Edit: This is what a bullet+casing looks like. The shape is totally different.

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  • Wow that's actually a real tweet. That is fuckin crazy.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    uhh...I have the video. That thing absolutely came out the other side...explosively.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Do you have any relevant experience? Maybe your guesses about how things should work are simply wrong, and that's causing your problems.

    Watch what happens when a bullet is fired through ballistic gel. It's not some simple thing where a hard thing goes in one side and stuff comes out the other side.

    Why didn't we see it go in from the front? A rifle bullet travels at hundreds of metres per second. It's not easy to see it while it is in motion unless you're using a slow motion camera.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The wound you saw was the entry wound. Blood gushing from the entry wound is very common. According to a relative who is a forensic pathologist.

    There isn't any forensic doubt on how he was shot. The shooter was in front of him. How we are expecting gun shots and blood splatter patterns to behave is rather misinformed by movies and games.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    There was immediate blood splatter on the shirt by the wound in his neck when you watch it frame by frame. It does not appear this is an entry wound like you are claiming.

    This was also not the caliber they claimed. He was shot from the right side with a smaller caliber bullet.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    It does appear thusly according to a pathologist, but you do you.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I watched it from several angles already. You obviously have not so I am not sure why you feel the need to chime in. You are probably just trying to push a narrative (aka propaganda).

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    [–] 29 points 1 year ago

    Maybe if his supporter sucked each others dicks this hard while he was alive, maybe they wouldn't have been so miserable now he is gone.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Obviously the guy was so full of hardened shit that the bullet just couldn't find its way out.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    They are just salty about the Saint Luigi memes

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's like super man because like a comic book, this narrative is likely fiction.

    It's worth looking into at least at a superficial level what 30.06 cartridge does to humanoid test dummies. It's practically impossible that Kirk was hit by a 30.06 round without complete painting that entire tent red.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    .30-06 round weighing 180 grains leaves a 24" barrel at about 2,700 feet per second, which gives it a kinetic energy of around 2,900 ft-lbf. With this much energy, that round, if full metal jacketed, will reliably penatrate 20+ inches of ballistic gelatin, a common substitute for animal muscle tissue, and if that round is a hollow point it will reliably penatrate 16+ inches of ballistic gelatin. My neck is about 7 inches thick as an average size person. Unless a person has a cervical spine made of titanium and Kevlar, and/or are just about 4 times as dense as your average Joe, an impact by a typical hollow point .30-06 round with that speed and energy in the human neck region would most often decapitate, or nearly so, and a full metal jacketed round would easily pass clean through. In contrast, the handguns carried by many police officers, the Glock .40 S&W, firing a 180 grain round out of a 4" barrel scoots along at about 1,000 feet per second, having a muzzle energy of about 400 ft-lbf, this being the defacto gold standard for killing human beings. .30-06 is quite literally a round made for war, and is typically used to hunt large game, as it has a tendency to completely and thoroughly rapidly disassemble smaller game into unusable sized chunks.

    Nothing is impossible, but not all things are likely.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    a full metal jacketed round would easily pass clean through

    "Clean through" is not as clean as it might sound. It would probably pass through and out the back without leaving a gaping hole, but the damage it would do to tissues as it went through would be devastating. Take a look at a FMJ handgun bullet going through ballistics gel:

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hlXg_H5Jr4g

    If that hit someone's neck, it might do huge amounts of damage to all the tissues there, and even though they'd snap back to roughly the same place, there would be a lot of damage. If that went through some arteries, there would be a lot of new routes for that blood to flow, and the blood is under a lot of pressure so...

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  • No doubt about that. A hollow or soft point deposits more energy and creates a much larger temporary cavity, but a FMJ can certainly do plenty of damage. The FMJ would be much more likely to be intact, and not fragment, so "clean" is certainly a relative term in this context. Any gunshot wound is gonna be a mess, regardless of caliber or bullet type, some moreso than others.

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  • as someone on twitter said: "atheist teenagers wish they could be half as blasphemous as american believers"

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Calling a person that literally got a hole shot through them a "man of steel" has to be the most perfect microcosm of Fox's entire reporting style, lmao.

    "Compelling evidence of XYZ actually PROOF of Not-XYZ upon closer inspection"

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Well, he literally died for their sins after all

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I encourage every Republican to get a .22 and try this on their head. I have faith in their ability to stop the bullet from exiting their skull.

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    [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    I bet the bullet hit his spine. Hence the immediately floppy dead. As opposed to being due to the blood loss.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah to me it looked like he had a fencing response, which can accompany head/spine injuries. Wouldn't be surprised if the bullet hit his upper spine or ricocheted into the base of his skull or something.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    That would make some sense, but I'm doubtful about the bullet caliber. I've seen what 30-06 does to large game, and it very rarely stops even when hitting bone. Especially if he was shot with a hunting round (which are designed to flare out and dump energy) we would have seen a truly massive exit wound.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I noticed his head went in the same direction the bullet entered, you would think his head would go away from where the bullet entered so maybe it did hit the spine and cause the head to push forward.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    This is an extremely famous phenomenon in ballistics, popularized by the JFK assasination. Penn and Teller even did a breakdown of why this happens at one point. It's pretty interesting to look into!

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    of course his neck was super thick, how else could it support that massive dome?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think it's much more likely that the governmnet lied about the caliber of the bullet than this guy's neck stopped a 30-06.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    They lied, unless the bullet decided to magically turn left and become a smaller caliber then the official line is bogus.

    It is probably one of those multiple shooters situations with a patsy that may even believe they did it.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    ...contrary to JFK who couldn't stop the bullet from hitting that guy in the front seat. Take that, democrats!

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    There wasn't even anyone standing behind him he was on a stage, standing between two other people but there was no one behind him.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well, I guess it's a good thing the bullet hit him first, then?

    Seriously. What is the appropriate take-away here?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago*

    Was concrete really poured over the site of his shooting?

    The bullshit around this is so thick it's hard to know what's what

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