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[–] 142 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Have these people just never actually read the Bible, or something?

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Acquaintance from high school married a preacher man, "met" him on FaceBook. Very intelligent and well educated man. His doctorate in divinity is real, he worked for it, absolute expert. His arguments were well crafted and we loved poking each other. Plus, we were both hot pepper fanatics and growers. :)

    Here's the point: That's the only Christian I've met in life that could actually debate Biblical views. I can turn most of them into a raging, spitting, cursing mess with a dozen questions, and they almost never engage for the whole dozen.

    Guess I should include my best friend. He was a conservative Southern Baptist, very angry when I announced I had turned to atheism, though he was fine with me as a deist. LOL, I corrupted that fucker. Now he's an atheist, liberal, and supports gay rights. But again, he's an exception. His best traits are that he's intelligent, way more so than I, and best yet, he can admit he's wrong and is willing to examine his beliefs. Exceptions proving rules and whatnot.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Oooo, can you give us a list of your 12 questions? Or a bunch of them?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    My sister-in-law's step dad and grandfather are both preachers with doctorates in theology. I can talk religion with them all day, and we all can recognize the issues with modern Christians. The people who actually understand the Bible are generally great people in my experience.

    They aren't the issue. It's the people who use it as a tool/weapon who are the issue. They don't care what it says, nor do they even know what it says usually. They might know a handful of passages that can be mangled to fit their hateful ideology, but it doesn't really matter as long as they fell righteous.

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  • [–] 99 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Jesus already had a 13th apostle... Dude doesn't know about Matthias.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There's a handful of others, but it all depends on what one considers a canonical source. Like the Dead Sea scrolls vs a King James Bible.

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    [–] 72 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    Why the fuck are they riding this dead dick so hard? He was a horrible debater, held repulsive beliefs even to some people on the right, and wasn't even really that popular. He was a laughing stock to the majority of people and a perfect poster child for ignorant racist idiots the world over. Like, if you're going to martyr someone, pick someone who stands up to scrutiny.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They are using his strong religious beliefs as a lighting rod. If you slam Charlie Kirk, you're basically slamming Christianity. It is easily used as a weapon.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This is why the fascists are winning. They know how to play the propaganda game. Libs would have shit bricks if we tried to politicize the murder and attempted murder of the Minnesota state lawmakers.

    We're beyond playing fair and taking the high road, Democrats still playing the game from a decade past. And fucking losing.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They know how to play the propaganda game.

    This isn't a propaganda win. Its simply a pretext for what they wanted and had the power to do anyway. Propaganda win would be if there was universal popular support for Kirk, and there wasn't before and simply isn't now. Most people didn't even know who Kirk was before this.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And your point? Of course they needed a pretext and this turned out to fit the bill. Roll the propaganda machine!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    And your point?

    I guess I thought my point was clear in my first sentence. "This isn’t a propaganda win."

    Of course they needed a pretext and this turned out to fit the bill.

    They don't need a pretext either. They've already enacted draconian policies against monitory groups based upon race and against LGBTQ folks. They needed no rational pretext for those. They didn't need one for any other horrible things they're going to do in the future. They would do those things anyway.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    they seem to be doubling down the fact the shooter was even further right than he is, the gop ,trump and MSM cant afford to alienate the right by blaming a right winger. its simple they cant blame thier own people. so they have make something up like tying obscure reference of the shooter associating with the "trans" people.

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago

    Because of his position on social issues?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk

    If you haven't read his wiki, now is a great time.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    American Far-Right Evangelicalism is the biggest heresy in 21st century Christianity and possibly the most wide spread heresy in the history of the religion.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Technically Islam is, since it has roots in the arianism heresy

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I reckon being heretical involves at least claiming to be part of the religion. You might have a better argument for LDS

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Eh, Muslims claim to worship "The god of Adam, Moses, Abraham, and Jesus".

    JWs claim to be Christian but not the same religion as Christians.

    I think Mormons do claim to be a Christian debomination somehow. They even sing Christian hymns. Although I had a Mormon missionary reject monotheism to my face. But again, that's probably why we'd measure them as heretics here.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Eh, Muslims claim to worship “The god of Adam, Moses, Abraham, and Jesus”.

    Well, sure, but that's not enough for them to be considered "Christian" in any useful sense of the word. We certainly wouldn't consider Christians to be Jewish by that standard and they have a much deeper foundation in Judaism than Islam has in Christianity.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think the Mormons have the number of people that will go to heaven down to a set number and it is not very large like several thousand. That is of all time. Which makes it kind of funny when they are trying to recruit you in their minds you were predestined never to go to heaven.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Those are Jehovah's Witnesses.

    They believe that there is a two tier system, that there are 144,000 people who will go to heaven and the rest will remain on earth.

    Mormons believe you become a god and get your own planet

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    During Patel's hearing, Nehls said, "Charlie Kirk was a man of faith ... first and foremost, he loved his Lord Jesus, he loved his family. Beautiful wife, beautiful children. Just a remarkable honorable man that was silenced by this assassin's bullet. I would say if Charlie Kirk lived in the biblical times, he would have been the 13th disciple."

    The full quote.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Lol, these fucking people. How can they not just get completely sick of themselves. I guess it takes having a monkey's level of self-awareness. I wonder if when they look in the mirror they get confused and aggressive at the thing staring back at them.

    edit: I was very harsh on monkeys in this comment and I want to apologize to monkeys everywhere

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago

    Holy fuck, I am so sick of this.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    "I tell you again, it is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven." -Christ

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    And lo, Charles did look down upon the leper, and he did pronounce "ugh, get a job!"

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Only with "Republican Jesus". You know, the white guy wearing a toga, a cross, and an AR15.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Come on, a Palestinian man preaching love and compassion ? The whole lot of them would call him a communist terrorist...

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If Jesus came back and came to America, he would be shot within 10 minutes of opening his mouth and 100 years later a new religion would be started with a Glock as it's symbol.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They can't brown nose hard enough. Fucking cowardly sycophants.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Are they just going around trying to one up each other? What a ridiculous thing to say.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Charlie "Empathy is Evil" Kirk?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    I forgot Jesus said to love thy neighbor, but only if they’re white so you know they’re not a DEI hire.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    To be fair, any garden variety conservative could be an disciple. Judas, specifically.

    They openly ignore and even violate Jesus' words and values regularly. Just the other day someone in the senate shouted "silent prayers bring silent results" and forced everyone to pray aloud.

    I immediately thought of Matthew 6:5. If you're going to believe in fairy tales, maybe you should read the whole book first.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Judas, specifically.

    Strongly disagree. Judas felt shame, and hung himself. Conservatives feel no shame and would never repent.

    (Unless of course you read the other chapter of the fairy tale that says he didn’t kill himself but instead fell into a hole and exploded or something)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    (Unless of course you read the other chapter of the fairy tale that says he didn’t kill himself but instead fell into a hole and exploded or something)

    He hung himself in a field he bought, his body baked in the sun, the rope broke and he was found exploded on the ground.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Well no, that’s what I was saying.

    In Matthew 27:3–7 he is filled with remorse, tries to give the silver back, the priests don’t want it, he throws it on the ground and goes and hangs himself, and the priests buy a potters field with it.

    But in Acts 1:18 it merely says he buys used the money to buys a field, falls in it, and “burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.”

    It’s a famous discrepancy among biblical scholars, and the general belief is that it is a discrepancy. Some try to justify it figuratively, but the better explanation is it’s all nonsense.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

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    [–] 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Contrary to what a lot of people think, I see this as a good sign. This right here is proof that MAGA has no future and that its days are numbered. A movement needs to be practical, flexible, coherent for it to last, and MAGA doesn't have any of these. MAGA currently has no morals, no values, no platform, no leadership outside of Trump, nothing. Everything starts and stops with Trump. Anything he says goes no matter how contradictory, insane, or nonsensical. He has purged the GOP and his own movement of anyone and anything that is capable of independent thought. He has made sure that MAGA and the GOP are exclusively made up of of yes men, which happen to be either slimy opportunists or blind loyalists.

    This means that the moment Trump dies, MAGA will die with him. Without Trump serving as the de facto prophet, the movement will immediately fracture and the different factions will start fighting each other. This will lead them to be ineffective, which in turn will make them irrelevant with time. As for the GOP, it will become a blank slate as it will stand for nothing. It that will either collapse or reform to completely change from the top down. Because of this, I don't think MAGA is going to last long, but we just have to brace for the all the damage that they will cause in the little time they will be in power.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is what I thought in 2016.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I think there's a distinct difference between now and 2016, back then MAGA was rather diverse in its makeup. There were libertarians, fiscal conservatives, moderate Republicans, neocons, evangelists, and so on. The point is that this diversity allowed for an internal discourse to exist to keep the party somewhat balanced. This stopped being case during the pandemic, and I mark Jan 6th as the official turning point. That's when Trump's purges reached their peak and the only people who were left were blind loyalists, grifters, or corrupt career politicians. Now? There's no balance anymore, it's entirely just Trump growing ever more demented and insane, and his flock of yes men cheering on whatever he says. That's not a sustainable movement or ideology, it will collapse in on itself sooner or later.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Even if you’re right, the damage they’ve done to the US government, journalism, and the Earth is immeasurable and will take decades to repair if we even can anymore.

    I think people really underestimate just how much valuable work various branches of the US Government does, and MAGA has destroyed generations of work within a year.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    I don't disagree with you, but I am optimistic that damage control will begin the moment MAGA is out of power. The moment the next non-MAGA government gets into power, they will immediately start reversing as many of the damaging policies as they could. Will things go back to the way they were? Probably not. Will things be fixed quickly? Definitely not. However, I do think that we will at least be put back on the right track as a country.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The only way they have no future is if we stand up to them and deprive them of it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    True, but I'm also optimistic that MAGA will collapse in on itself. History has shown that movement that lack balance, principles, internal discourse, coherency, and flexibility don't last long. The only thing keeping MAGA together is Trump, and he has no successor. Once he dies, MAGA WILL shatter like broken glass. I see a lot of parallels between MAGA and the know nothings from the mid 1800s.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Republicans pretending to be "Christians" never ceases to amuse

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Reality is meaningless to these people. They just make up whatever, it’s a massive circlejerk.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    At what point do you admit that you're just licking assholes?

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If you think Jesus got pissed with the money lenders at the temple he would have completely lost his shit with Charlie Kirk. Even Judas would have been grossed out.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    These Nazis are truly disgusting.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Judas 2: Electric Bugaloo

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    ...I mean, Judas was a disciple too if you believe in that kind of thing. Not high praise or anything.

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