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  • [–] 148 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    The way the marines, in particular, marched… no. That was sloppy and looked intentional.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    A real President, sponsorships notwithstanding.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Lol he did approach his problem with science and eventually was happy with the solution, but in the interim he also sentenced the person that proposed the scientific solution to death against gladiator and only changed his tune when someone illegally filmed the unexpected plant growth so 5/10

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Trump's parade was sponsored by Coinbase.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    That was my point. A president standing in front of logos with a world on the brink of collapse around him. The only difference in Idiocracy is that when everything got real shitty Dwayne was still willing to try "science" whereas I'm sure the fascists would rather drink brawndo until they died to "own the libs" than admit change was required so they could eat.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Saw a short video of an ex drill instructor saying your first week in boot besides getting oriented and shit was learning to march. You dont ever forget it. That if it starts getting sloppy, the seargent or whatever starts saying left, right, left to coordinate again. The guy said it was very intentional .

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, I did basic training decades ago, and could probably do it right with maybe an hour-long refresher course. Even without that I'd probably be be fine just marching, it's more the "eyes left", "present arms", handling turns, etc. that would need work.

    That said, you tend to follow someone's lead. From what I remember, they declare it like "by the left, quick march" and that means you're marching at a standard "quick" pace and you're lining up with whoever's to your left, and the left column follows the person in front of them, so basically led by whoever's in the front-left position of the formation. That means if people to your left, or people on the left-most column are out of step, it will have a cascading effect through the ranks.

    But yeah, it's pretty standard to call out the march, and they'd definitely do that if they cared.

    What's also funny is that at one point as the soldiers were marching past, they were playing "Fortunate Son" on the PA system. Now, that's massively ironic given that the song is basically about Vietnam-era draft dodgers who used their family's wealth to get out of Vietnam service like Trump.

    But, making it worse is that the song has a slightly faster pace than your typical rock song at 135ish BPM. The US military generally marches at 120 BPM. It's actually really hard to hear a song at 135 BPM and march at 120 BPM. That's why generally marching music is at 120 BPM so you march to the beat. The result is that some soldiers kept marching at 120 BPM, others adjusted to match the song, and it all generally looked like shit.

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  • [–] 174 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I think the way they marched says more about trump than it does their ability to march. I very much doubt they forgot how to do it.

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  • [–] 92 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Like riding a bike. Those soldiers were doing their best to sham in plain sight and right in front of that bloated tangerine, I’ve never been so proud of the E-4 mafia in my life.

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  • [–] 68 points 1 year ago

    The entire thing screamed humiliation display more than anything else. And the anything else was like a half assed shitty commercial for military equipment. They had actual soldiers playing dress up for no fucking reason while wasting a fuck ton of money the VA could’ve used. Just despicable all around.

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    Given that Fortunate Son was playing as one of the songs...

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  • [–] 59 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    At least Trump seemed not to enjoy any of it, so hopefully we can put this whole stupid episode behind us, and move on to the next stupid episode.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)
    1. Trump wanted this for a decade
    2. They put on this ridiculous thing
    3. Trump isn't pleased; obviously uncomfortable

    Why the hell did they do this then?

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    He didn't want it because he thought he would personally enjoy it, he wanted it because he thought it would make him look badass to the other dictators he's always trying so hard to impress and emulate.

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  • [–] 253 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    I am surprised at how many people do not get it. In military you cannot not comply with the orders, especially whan there is clearly nothing criminal with it. The guys doing sloppy marching is pretty much the only agency they have and the only way to protest and boycot that ridiculous parade.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    There was a brass band that was resposabal for playing to state visits. if a foreign visitor came who was not popular they would play the national anthem out of tune and out of time. The visitor would have to stand or salute while seeing there song be murdered infront of them.

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  • [+] -56 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    "They did in protest" is the funniest cope I have heard, ever I think.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Or its simply that drill and parade are not really practiced outside of bootcamp because marching in lockstep requires quite some practice.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Marching lockstep is something that takes years to stop doing after getting out, though. Band kids have a similar problem. And even then you catch it sometimes, a desire to do it..

    It bothers you for years when you walk hand in hand with your partner. Because you can’t hold hands and walk lockstep.. you have to perfectly time the opposite step, so you can perfectly hold their hand.

    It only takes one refresher, and you go back to it.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    D&C is used daily by the US Army, to move personnel from point A to point B. During running. During inspections. During pass and reviews.

    15 years out, and "9 to the front and 6 to the rear" is still drilled into my head. Even my "about face" is still solid, while needing some practice.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    This depends a lot on your branch and unit. Many many people never do a pass and review or any type of inspection other than counting inventory. I disagree that marching skills are used during running, that's freeform.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Anyone who has served longer than 3 years has done a pass and review.

    Anyone who has been to a perm duty station has had a class A inspection.

    Anyone who has ever served has marched daily, in formation, from point A to point B.

    Double time is a marching speed, aka running, and you have to run in step.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Ok. I guess your perspective is correct and there is just one military that is all the same.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well, for this discussion, I thought we were limiting focus to the military unit involved: The US Army, which I have intimate perspective on, having done it for 15 years.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's the entire discourse online, mostly stemming from veterans on social media. Literally saying the same as comment above you.

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  • [+] -33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah seppo veterans are rarely blindly patriotic and regularly offer genuine feedback for their country and its "servicepeople" (by this they only mean their boots).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    They probably did.

    For better or worse, the people in uniform are good people, who believe they are doing something honorable, right or wrong that may be. GIs have a very strict honor code amongst themselves. Loyalty, Duty, Honor, Integrity, Selfless Service. Respect. Personal Courage.

    Are there sometimes faults? Of course. We are humans, after all, and no human is faultless. And there are bad people, too.

    Yes, this was quite obviously done in protest. Its a silent protest. "Malicious Compliance".

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    [–] 97 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    From what I'm hearing from coordinators and people inside its not that they can't march. It's that nobody wanted to. They had to be there. So they phoned it in. Malicious compliance.

    Like the squeaky tanks. That was a choice made in the motor pool. They could have greased them up and tested to make sure they were smooth. But they made a different call.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm not saying you're wrong, but i do find it hard to believe. I think most people that take pride in their jobs won't half ass it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Lol, half assing it is the default setting. Most people in the military are 18-22 year olds doing one enlistment contract and mostly hate it and want to get out as soon as they can.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The band played "Fortunate Son". They all knew exactly what they were doing.

    If shit ever does hit the fan full send (I very much doubt it) he doesn't have the army.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They didn't want to attract the worm.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    So, the tweet isn't entirely true; my experience in the army was that we very much did irregularly do marches together, even after basic training. Every few months or so the battallion or brigade leadership would get an idea about a 'fun run' or whatever, and the start of those is always a march together. It inevitably switched to running together, but there was definitely a quick refresher on walking in step together on a regular basis.

    What the tweeter missed is that there's tricks that every leadership command knows to do if they want a formation to look good.

    If you wanted to put a military parade on that actually looked good you'd do a couple things prior to running it. You'd tell your various units to have a competition for who does it best, and you'd put up a basic-ass award for the winners and runners up. This ensures that any ladder climbers go out and find all the people who are actually good at this to put together a small super squad of people who actually know what they're doing. You then have them compete, and you pick the units that did the best to lead your parade.

    We actually did this in basic training; my drill sgts had a little demonstration where they put the people good at keeping time together and the people bad it together. It was damn impressive how much of a difference just doing that made. One or two bad marchers can ruin a whole formation with their lack of timing.

    None of this was done; at best they practiced for pt for a couple weeks before the event, but even that is iffy. They likely didn't bother to filter the parade members who can't march out, and that'd be good enough to turn this into a herd instead of a formation.

    This doesn't rule out malicious compliance at all though; again, one or two bad marchees doing their best (or worst) job can completely throw off the timing of everybody behind and next to them. Same way as counting wrongly out loud can throw off someone trying to count up to 50.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    put together a small super squad of people who actually know what they're doing

    From what I vaguely remember, you also want all the best marchers on the left most of the time, since you line up with the person on your left most of the time, and the very best at the front left. This was decades ago for me, but I know that there were tricks like that to make it look good.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    They could have also done mock patrol movements, uneven spread, looking in different directions, and carrying weapons. A lot harder to mess up when it’s intentionally offstep.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    My volunteer fire department was able to march in sync in parades despite having enjoyed a few adult beverages beforehand. What the Army did had to be deliberate.

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    Eeehh, so yes, after basic i did not march anywhere really. And you do need to brush up on it to keep in the swing of things…. But honestly, you know your unit is going to march in a parade months in advance, and for better or worse are going to represent the armed forces, you schedule mandatory training time.

    Is it wasteful? Arguably under normal circumstances, definitely under this circumstance.

    So i can only conclude that either they did not care, or do care a lot, or someone who was supposed to plan this fucked up and they just grabbed people.

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  • [–] 76 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    They deliberately half-assed the parade because they don't like the way Trump treats them. Trump calls them "suckers and losers." He cuts their benefits Why would you show any loyalty (or enthusiasm) to someone who treats you like that?

    More Trump quotes: "You fucking generals. Why can't you be more like Hitler's generals?" 2017

    On the burial of US Army private Vanessa Guillén: "It doesn't cost 60,000 bucks to bury a fucking Mexican!" December 4, 2020. Trump has denied having made the remark.

    "We're not going to support that loser's funeral." August, 2018. Trump has denied having made this remark.

    re: John McCain, who was captured and tortured for five years: "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured, okay? I hate to tell you." July 18, 2015.

    "But, you know, during the Vietnam War, I got very lucky. I had a very high lottery number." November 9, 1995.

    On the 1,800 US Marines who died at Belleau Wood in France during World War I "Suckers." November 11, 2018. Trump denies having made this remark.

    On US soldiers in World War I "Who were the good guys in this war?" November 11, 2018. Trump denies having asked this question.

    "I don't get it. What was in it for them?" November 11, 2018. Trump denies having made this remark.

    On disabled veterans "Why do you bring people like that here? No one wants to see that, the wounded." September 30, 2019.

    "Look, I don't want any wounded guys in the parade. This doesn't look good for me." Summer 2017.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    I can understand why someone would ask who the good guys were in WW1.

    It's a question that shows a childlike understanding of war in general, but that's how war is often sold. A team sport with body bags.

    That said, WW1 is hard to pick a "good" side. It was a mess of a war, but no side was particularly vile when compared to the others...

    But for a US president, there's only one valid answer.

    A US president can admit that Vietnam was not a shining moment is US history, but the world wars? No.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I had a very high lottery number

    ah yes. that's how lottery works

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    During the Vietnam War there was a draft, so you could end up being conscripted and shipped halfway around the world to fight it. One way to avoid getting drafted was a lottery where, if you picked a high enough random number, you could avoid being drafted.

    The thing is, Trump never picked a lottery number. Instead, he got five draft deferments, 1 medical and 4 educational. A lot of rich people at the time were able to avoid military service alltogether by getting a doctor to sign off that you had a sketchy illness. In Trump's case, it was bone spurs, which apparently healed right up after the Vietnam War ended. Trump kept his 1-Y deferments until after 1972, when he was reclassified 4-F (permanently ineligible for service). By claiming he got a "high lottery number" Trump makes it sound like staying out of Vietnam was an amazing stroke of luck. That was just another lie. Trump had powerful friends and family intervene for him. Luck had nothing to do with it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Dodging the draft was the most moral action, after fragging your officer and joining the PAVN. Of course Trump only did it because it coincidentally happened to line up with what served him, but at least he didnt use his connections to pilot a bomber or something.

    🏅"Could have committed more atrocities"

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ok, but 1. fuck John McCain that ghoulish piece of shit is in hell lmao. 2. Trump's point about soldiers who die on the other side of the planet, fighting for the profits of people like Trump, is absolutely valid. I have no idea what that thought is even doing in an imperialist's brain.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I have no idea what that thought is even doing in an imperialist’s brain.

    Making occasional anti-war gestures and comments muddies the water enough for Libertarian-minded types to support him. It's the same reason Biden occasionally criticized Netanyahu, it's all theater.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Decades of Hollywood Military propaganda ruined in one single day.

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  • [–] 69 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    I was only in marching band. 25 years later, I promise I could still do it with zero practice. This was on purpose.

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  • 100% and I can't imagine the effect of basic training and what you learned there being forgotten until long afterwards.

    In the British army, even regular non-guardsman, infantry will usually parade into towns. They love a bit on pomp and ceremony. For example, even now regiments like the black watch regiment would be bagpipes bearing, marching in perfect unison into some place and then roll off to war.

    They didn't want to be there and their imo their COs didn't want to kick off at them in front of the cameras.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    If you were in marching band, there's a good possibility that you had more thorough training in marching than what's given in basic training, especially if you went to competitions. Marching makes up like half the activity of marching band (it's in the name). Marching is only one of a plethora of things that are taught during the few months of basic training, and once you're out of basic, you may never have to march again.

    I also think your expectations on how rhythmically-inclined the average person (or soldier) is might be on the high side based on your experience in an activity with a bunch of highly rhythmically-inclined people.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    I was in army cadets for like 2 years about 17 years ago and could still do this with 0 effort and I have a very poor sense of rhythm.

    Trust me, anyone that's spent more than like an hour learning to march could still do it with ease decades later.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This isn't true at all. Marching is really easy, especially when there's music to March to. I did a bit of drill in basic, and we would get a bit of practice before something a lot smaller than this, and we would be ace in 20 minutes of practice. They are doing this on purpose.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They were "marching" to an instrumental of Fortunate Son. No way that's marched at that cadence without being janky as fuck at best.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Marching makes up like half the activity of marching band

    Marching makes up about 25% of daily life for a solider. We had PT formations, morning formation, weekend safety briefing formations, formations for training sessions, etc etc. If you have an element of troops, of any size, and they need to move from Point A to Point B, you're marching there.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago

    If I could march in a brass band after very limited practice, these guys can. They just didn’t want to.

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    “A serious problem in planning against American doctrine is that the Americans do not read their manuals, nor do they feel any obligation to follow their doctrine.”
    – Soviet observation during the Cold War

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