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[–] 415 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Shout out to Charlie Kirk for not saying anything racist for a whole day

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You're right, we know the moment he last said something racist with exact precision cause he was doing it as his neck sprung a leak.

    Unless he managed to gurgle something racist at the paramedics, but I think that's unlikely.

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  • [–] 193 points 1 year ago* (14 children)

    "Congratulations to George Floyd on being 5 years sober today."

    Like... Really?

    What the fuck is wrong with this broad? That's abhorrent.

    Not to mention the 30,000 sickos who liked this of course...

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  • [–] 108 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    It's actually, sadly, quite easy. In her mind there are no shades of grey, no systems, no circumstances. There are people who are Good People and people who are Bad People, and which people are which is self-evident and not as related to their actions as you might think. It's just a case of identity. They're Good when they do bad things, and Bad People are bad even when occasionally doing good.

    And so celebrating the death of a Bad Person is honorable, obviously, and celebrating the death of a Good Person is sickening and deplorable. Clearly.

    And if I agreed that this was the way the world was, I'd probably agree with her. Unfortunately for me, that seems fucking nuts.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Oh yea the "Good Person" who literally died the moment he was using outright lies to denigrate trans people and minorities - whom he felt should be eradicated, just as Hitler did.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Right exactly! Like the sibling comment says, in their minds Trans people are Bad. You can tell because "they're sick". (I don't believe this, I'm mimicking this mindset). Minorities are Bad. You can tell because they don't have money, they do different stuff than I do, which is Good stuff, and they do crimes and are bad parents or whatever. Doesn't matter what.

    So anyway, this Knight of Justice, Paragon of Good, was out there saying the Good People are being passed over in favour of the Bad People, which is obviously unacceptable. And that the problems with society aren't caused by Good People, they're caused by Bad People. And then right in the middle of his speech, a Bad Person shoots and kills him! How do we know they were a Bad Person without knowing who they are? It's self-evident because no Good Person would kill another Good Person.

    This is like if Superman died, and then the credits rolled! That's not the way this is meant to go! This is an afront to nature! This is a tragedy. To them.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I mean this dynamic is not only found on the right. Many Lemmings seem to be caught up in the same mode of thinking.

    I hope we can all agree that people suffering and dying, in isolation, is bad. Obviously the implications of a death can vary widely and that’s where things get complicated. But the basic moral principle should be widely shared.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think the current moral question society is wrestling with is along those lines. Something to the effect of, how removed from the outcome of a decision does one need to be in order to absolve themselves of responsibility for that outcome? Essentially, why is it OK for a CEO or a President to cause thousands of deaths by signing a piece of paper but not OK for that same person to go out and shoot those thousand people one at a time? The outcome is the same there's just more obfuscation along the way in the first case. The greed motivation seems to be the difference. The CEO isn't usually killing people because he wants them dead, he's doing it because he views them as acceptable casualties in his quest to make money.

    Charlie Kirk is a great example of that phenomenon as well. He may not have directly shot anybody but he undoubtedly influenced people towards doing exactly that. To what degree should he bear the blame for their actions? He certainly didn't do it in complete ignorance of the possibility that people could die but does the separation from the actual crime make his actions morally acceptable? Does it make any difference if his motivations were money and power as opposed to bigotry and hatred?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    To me, diffuse harm is very obviously just as bad, but it is more difficult to quantify and fix. Furthermore, these types of harms are not comparable to a mass shooter where the danger is ended by killing or capturing them. The harms are produced by systems. Does killing Charlie Kirk end the harms he committed or will the billionaires propping him up simply replace him with another identical mouthpiece?

    Individual assassinations don’t usually solve systemic problems.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    True! It's not unique to the right, but I do think it shows up there a lot. It's a very Objective view of the world (there is a Right and Wrong, outside of culture), and there's more objectivity on the right, and more subjectivity on the left. Not universally, but more.

    I think the way this manifests on the left is actually pretty different, perhaps even the opposite, to the way it shows up on at least the current right.

    The current right has Good People who can do no Bad, no matter how much wrong they do. So they can get away with a lot, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, and their base will support them anyway because they're still a Good Person.

    Whereas on the left we're maybe a bit quick to dismiss someone outright, or lose the forest for the trees, because we think of ourselves as the side of Morality. So there can be a person who does a lot of good, and seems like a Good Person, and then one thing can come out about them, maybe not even a substantiated thing. Maybe something they did 25 years ago, that they would never do today, and in an instant everyone has flipped on them. You see, people are either Good People or Bad People, and if you've done a Bad thing, you must not have been a Good Person afterall! You were a Bad Person in disguise! Thank goodness we caught you and ousted you, so we can continue to be the side of only Good People.

    Shouldn't we be the side of spectrums? Of forgiveness? Of growth, and healing, and learning, and rehabilitation? Grace and second chances?

    I mean, don't get fooled over and over by the same grifter, but there could at least be some room to say oops, sorry, and then do better going forwards.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago*

    It's worse and worse the more you think about it...

    George Floyd was murdered by the police, a group that's supposed to protect and serve the public. George himself contributed money to their salaries (as we all do), and they killed him in cold blood as he begged for his life.

    We don't know why Charlie was shot, but the biggotry and hatred he permeated far and wide into this country is his legacy. Imagine leaving this sort of quote (below) behind. What a legacy to leave...

    "I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage."

    • Charlie Kirk (Oct. 12, 2022)

    He then died in the middle of a "debate" where he was incinuating that all trans people are violent and disturbed.

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  • [–] 117 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Ah, the double standards of fascists: they can be absolute cunts, but everyone must be super nice and considerate to them.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    the kind of respect that the right demands is the respect of an authority and superior. the maximum respect that the right gives is the respect of a human. but if you're in the out-group then more is demanded of you and less is given. it's very contradictory but also self-consistent because they truly feel superior, and truly feel you are subhuman. you don't need to bow down to subhuman logic if you are of the superior species.

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  • [–] 96 points 1 year ago

    I gotta say, cheering on the death of somebody you hate is one thing. Cheering on the death of a poor drug addict murdered by police is a very special kind of evil.

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  • [–] 77 points 1 year ago

    Getting shunned by MAGAs, Republicunts and DINOs is a net positive in a person’s quality of life.

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  • [–] 68 points 1 year ago

    Interesting, because some are speculating that it was one of her supporters that got him, since she essentially called him out last week.

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So much for the war on cancel culture.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago

    I'm sure she tweeted the same thing a few months back when those democratic politicans were assinated right? RIGHT?

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  • [–] 124 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    An important distinction is that George Floyd didn't wish harm on people.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Didn’t he rob a pregnant woman at gunpoint?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    More importantly, he tried to purchase something with a counterfeit $20 bill. Which we all know is far worse than all the deaths Charlie Kirk was directly responsible for.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    But did he wish them harm? Was the woman pregnant? Did he actually point a gun at anyone? What were the charges for his 5 year sentence? Does it justify being choked to death in the street by police?

    Let's turn to our 8 panelists to discuss.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago

    Charlie Kirk is dead!

    Am I famous yet?

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Reminder that she's only like 32 years old, but you wouldn't know by any photo you have ever seen of her.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Shot through the neck and you're to blame, you give Trump a bad name 🎶

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    She’s gonna make everyone who celebrated his death famous?

    Guess Andy Warhol was right

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    It's not that I necessarily celebrate his death, but I celebrate that the danger he posed to an inclusive and peaceful society has been mitigated for good.
    Whoever claims that this is no reason to celebrate, is an evil person.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    One aspect of this that has been insane is people framing his racism and bigotry as just different opinions. His whole existence was funding and bring harm to marginalized people anyway possible. Not all violence is physical.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    the Overton window has shifted so far right that racism went from unacceptable to fringe but acceptable.

    look at all the propaganda memes depicting anti-racists as only having white friends, and racists as having PoC friends they jokingly razz. they're trying to rehabilitate overt racism.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Funny how this outrage against violence and death was no where to be found when "peaceful tourists" bludgeoned a cop to death. Was no where to be found when a democrats husband was beaten with hammers. Was no where to be found when elected democrat was almost kidnapped to be tortured/killed/god only know what else, wasnt there for the literal assassination of democrat and spouse and the attempted assassination of another..

    But now that the hate they spread and stoked has come home to roost for one of their own, suddenly its righteous and indignant outrage over anyone refusing to fall to their knees and wail to the sky about the supposed injustice of it all. Wailing in need for empathy (that they describe as evil and unchristian), Wailing in need for decorum (Which they never show to others), Wailing in the need for sympathy for "pointless" murder (Which they've never cared about when it came to school children's murders).

    and despite the tears and wails of sorrow coming out of one side of their mouth, out of the other side they are still stoking violence and spewing hatred. Calling for mass executions of democrats, saying if trump doesnt act than they will, Calling for anyone who isnt part of the group think to be condemned to prison or exile.. while blaming everyone but themselves for any of this.

    The hypocrisy is almost as repugnant as their everyday policies and personalities are.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Lauren Loomer can suck my fat cock. I can't say how I really feel on Reddit, but this thread looks to be a good p Ace to do so.

    Charlie Kirk's killing has terrified MAGA leaders. Brian Thompson's killing didn't faze them because it wasn't politically motivated. This one, however, has them shook. Especially because they have no fu king clue who did it.

    I hope the saint who killed this ghoul learned from Luigi's mistakes and has made a smart getaway. That photo they're passing around of a guy in a hat and glasses without so much as a chin won't get them anywhere. These fucks have no empathy, so the only way to make them change how they treat us is to make them afraid of us.

    What I really expect is that Kirk will be the Archduke Ferdinand of Civil War II. CA, OR, & WA have already formed an alliance against the vaccine fuckery and the rest HHS, but I have a suspicion that it's the foundation of those three will secede before the end of 2026. Especially when we see the midterm election fuckery.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Good thing you're on Lemmy cause this wouldn't be allowed on Reddit

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    That's why I said it here. My 10+ year old Reddit account was permabanned when I said I saw nothing wrong with that guy burning Teslas. And all my alts. And my IP address, because any new account I tried to make with different email addresses.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago

    She plays a similar role to Charlie Kirk in the whole fascist agenda and is about as approachable. She should be careful.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    She can add me to the list, he sounds like a right cunt and the world is better with him out of it.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Finding people who hate you and at least have some affinity for violence, and then ostracizing them so they have little left to lose might have a backfiring effect I think. Maybe that's what she wants.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm going to make you wish you never opened your mouth.

    I'm going out on a limb here and guessing she is a free speech absolutist

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I not only celebrate Kirk’s death and the manner in which it happened, but I also continue to hope that there will be many copycats. I don’t want social conservatives to feel safe anywhere in public. I want them to be terrorized.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Let me quote your idol's second favorite book, Laura:

    “good publicity is preferable to bad, but from a bottom-line perspective, bad publicity is sometimes better than no publicity at all. Controversy, in short, sells.”

    ― Donald J. Trump, Trump: The Art of the Deal

    You, your boy DJT here and hell, even Charlie Kirk himself, got famous by acting like complete fucking ghouls. "Making people famous" for acting ghoulishly won't have the effect you think it will.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)
    1. say as many unhinged, hateful things as possible to farm outrage.
    2. leftists share her content out of outrage.
    3. fascists flock to her because she triggers the libs.
    4. fascists gain power, she rides their wave.

    there's so many examples of this kind of thing. Richard Spencer and Nick Fuentes are other examples.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Well said! The "eat a dick bitch" part that is

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago*

    I'm going to make you wish you never opened your mouth

    I'd rather open my mouth than my neck, jigsaw cunt. nazi lives don't matter, fuck you.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago*

    Here's a screenshot and fuck you Laura you cunt.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Respect is a Social Contract, not a Right.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I think the world is a better place without this despicable piece of shit. When do I get famous ? Should I get an agent?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Ask this cunt all the shit she'd said about the Minnesota incident or the hammer incident, fuck this cunt. Imma turn the death of gop politicians into a death drinking game I have an idea

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago*

    Anyone realize that Charlie Kirk is already being forgotten?

    Most people rightly remember him as an asshole. Whatever good he did is outweighed by the evil and hate he peddled.

    Conservatives are calling for war, like always, because a really nice guy was killed for sharing opinions: making up reality like always. Who was this nice guy named Kirk?

    The real Charlie Kirk has been silenced and immediately memory holed. Like I'm going to believe Charlie Kirk is a martyr when conservatives marked me for death for CRT and "trans ideology." They rally behind the dumbest shit. Can a conservative who has no morals even have a martyr figure?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Sad, pathetic creature.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    She's gonna spend her time making people who celebrate Charlie's death miserable. I'll tell you what she won't do though. She won't speak publicly without some glass in front of her.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Too bad it doesn't affect her in any way whatsoever :/

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    It should tho. She occupies the same space as KKKirk and should fear for her own safety every time she's in public now. Good.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    She might feel fear, which is deserved, but I was more referring to the people responding to her threat with her own words to seemingly achieve the same result she's after.

    That stuff doesn't work on them especially when they don't need a job since Reich wing propaganda is their job. :/

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    She says find, not found, she's not talking in past tense, she hasn't found anyone yet, she just knows this is going to happen, what would make you so entirely sure this was definitely going to happen. And I absolutely bet she wouldn't change her behavior and stop celebrating the deaths of people she doesn't like or agree with or are the wrong demographic, in her opinion. Honestly, someone posting like this, would make me call out to everyone, to get on it. Take all of her sleep away from her.

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