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[–] 50 points 1 year ago (4 children)

24 hour analogue clocks exist. I have a 24 hour watch which only revolves once per 24 hours. It's a disadvantage though.

The reason why clocks and watches display 12 hours at a time is so that they have space to show finer resolution of time. If you try to cram 24 hours onto a clock, it's not easy to tell if it's 12:20 or 12:30 at a quick glance.

Most people are not too stupid to be aware of if they are in the first 12 hours or second 12 hours of a day, so they benefit from a watch with 12 hour timescale and finer resolution so that they can more easily see exactly what time it is.

And for all the dummies posting about 12h vs 24h clocks. In the sense of saying that it's 1pm vs 13:00. That's not what this meme is even describing. This is about the physical layout of a clock or watch face.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    You could get a jump hour watch, meaning the hour isn't a slowly moving hand but instead jumps from 6 to 7 with a jump, avoiding potential mixing up of hours, it would make it easier to read those 24h

    Like this watch

    Edit: The original watch linked is a weird one, it's not a jump hour watch but instead it has a jumping dial to turn it from a 12h to a 24h, very neat! I can't seem to find a 24h jump hour watch apart from this 30k breguet lol

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  • [–] 104 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    I get the joke, but the sundials of ancient civilisations precluded clocks.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    "Precluded" means "prevented" or to "make impossible" ❤️

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Oh hot damn, first time I used that word.

    Maybe presaged?

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Sundials also didn't work very well at midnight for some reason, what's ya point?

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    You're just not holding the flashlight properly.

    If you hold the flashlight right they work 100% of the time.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Instructions unclear, I think my fleshlight is broken..

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's all the Babylonians fault

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Those fuckers could count to 60 on their fingers. Witchcraft!

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  • [–] 81 points 1 year ago (24 children)

    It is wild how people refuse to use the 24 hour clock. It is so logical and easy. kind of like the metric system…..

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    It only solves a small part of the issue at the cost of less convenience and consistency. Propose a “metric” time that solves more of this issue problem and I’m all for it

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    1 metric second would be a little less than half our current second.

    Global electricity output would instantly more than double!!!!

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    less convenience and consistency

    What? ... seriously, which convenience and consistency are you talking about.

    24h only has one "inconsistency", going from 23:59 to 0:00. How is that less consistent than 12am being after 11:59pm and 12pm being after 11:59am. Solves all parts of the issue except for one. Which is a lot better than the 12h system.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    This has messed with me for the longest time. 24h just wraps around at 24, simple modulo 24 arithmetic.

    12h? The hour and am / pm wrap around independently, and hence I am always confused whether 12pm is supposed to be midnight or noon. Zero based would have made more sense (with x pm being x hours after noon...)

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Why are the 60 minutes in an hour but 24 hours in a day? What functional difference is there between tne 12 and 24 hour clock? Are you showing up to your friend's dinner party at 6am because you weren't sure what time they wanted to start dinner? Are you unsure if your picnic is supposed to be right after midday or the middle of the night? Maybe your friend wanted to meet up for coffee and a bagel when you normally go to bed instead of right before you head off for lunch

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I asked why the am/pm system is apparently more convenient and consistent than the 24h system. I didn't ask about 24h in a day and 60min in an hour.

    What functional difference is there between tne 12 and 24 hour clock?

    You need 2 numbers and 2 letters to accurately specify time in the 12h clock instead of just 2 numbers. Seems convenient to me.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You don't need the am or pm 90% of the time because obviously a lunch date is happening sometime around noon, not midnight. A lunar eclipse or meteor shower isn't visible while the sun is up, or a midnight snack isn't happening in the middle of the day. Obviously if you are talking trains and flights, you need AM and PM. But people who are used to 12 hour time don't want to figure out when 16:00 is, so they don't.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Fun fact: Many countries use both systems actually.

    For speaking, it's quicker to say something like: "The party starts at 8" instead of "The party starts at 20 o'clock".

    For writing though, you would never use the 12 hour system.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    i'm pretty sure for 90% of europe there's been a generational shift from saying "four in the afternoon" to just saying "16", after digital clocks started replacing analog ones.

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  • To some extent, though I still often hear people using the 12 hour system.

    Just yesterday I've heard someone complain about their night shift which starts at 6.

    Especially because in German you can't say "half 17" for 16:30, only "half 5". You save two whole syllables with this way over "sixteen thirty"!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Because 12 and 60 are great numbers to divide. You can take a half of it, a third and a quarter and still get whole numbers.

    Iirc the French did try decimal time at one time, it was not convenient.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    Heh thanks for explaining it, I never knew if noon was 12am or 12pm. In German we say "11 in the morning", "12 o Clock (noon*)" , and "1 o Clock (in the afternoon)"

    But typically we don't say whether it's am or pm, it's clear from context if "i need to be in the work meeting at 9"

    Clocks, TV listings, my work timesheet read 24h times. We read 15:00 as "three" most of the time.

    Btw some software tools (my timesheet for work) differnciate between 0:00 and 24:00. I can work (theoretically) from 0:00 to 8:00 (8h in the night to morning) and from 16:00 to 24:00 (8 hours from afternoon to midnight).

    So 0:00 and 24:00 are the same moment but thought to belong to the next or previous say, respectively.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The numbers on the clock actually make a lot of sense.

    12, 24 and 60 are highly composite numbers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highly_composite_number).

    Imagine using numbers in a world where most people have no real understanding of fractions.

    That is also the reason why you see the same or similar numbers as common screen refresh rates. 24, 48, 60, 120 and 240.

    The 12 hour clockface design is that way because it is a similar design to that of a sundial, so people did not need to learn a new way to read the time. This also meant that for readibility reasons it was beneficial to only have 12 numbers.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Everybody loves composite numbers, but I'm missing the point in which this is advantage in the context of time. The only situation I know of where time needs to be divided is in paid work, and in this case it's always converted to base 10 money.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The decimalization of money is its own fun history, with a lot of different countries undergoing their own transitions at different times.

    The Spanish dollar, which was the world reserve currency in its heyday, was divided into 8 reals (see how pirates used to refer to money in the form of "pieces of eight") but issues with the supply of silver led to the introduction of the lesser real de vellón, which eventually settled at 20 to the dollar after over 100 years of uncertainty and confusion.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Geometry.

    The first clocks were sundials, which worked by putting a line on the ground. As soon as you comparing two different lines on the ground, you are doing geometry to represent time.

    When you start messing around with geometry, you need an easy way to describe the angle of an equilateral triangle. 1/6th of a circle, or 1/3rd of a line. Trying to represent 1/3 or 1/6th in base 10 is fugly. Trying to divide a circle into 10 equal sections is just as fugly.

    Dividing a circle into 6 equal sections is trivial: after you draw the circle with your compass, walk the compass around the perimeter. You have just inscribed a hexagon.

    You're still missing the angle of 1/4 of a circle: the angles of a square. Those are pretty important in geometry as well. It's fairly trivial to draw another 6 points between the first 6 on your circle.

    We use a 12-hour clock because of basic geometry. The 360-degree circle is the bastard child of basic geometry and a base-10 number system.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    24 hours cause Egyptians split their sun dials and star decans into 12 parts each (probably cause 12 is divisible by 2, 3, 4, and 6) which the greeks later turned into equal length hours (before the length would change over the year)

    60 minutes due to Babylonian base-60 math

    12 hour format is just tradition at this point, but derived from the sun dials which only worked at day, so half the time, and the star decans which only worked at night, so the other half.

    pretty much every country except the US uses the 24h format on digitial clocks now

    also the dude in the meme was kinda right: the day will be divided into 12 segments. and the night will too. at least originally

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    This all originated from the Ancient Sumerians btw. They passed it down to Babylonians.

    Edit: A bit of history from what I learned from listening to Fall of Civilizations in the shower.

    The Ancient Sumerians invented this sexagesimal system because if you look at your hand, you notice 12 knuckles (this is obviously excluding your thumb, as that is used for counting each knuckle), and with your other hand you will raise a single finger for every time you finish counting past 12 knuckles on your left hand. So raising your thumb is 12, thumb and index is 24, and so on, until you reach 60.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    The clock makes so much more sense when you rewrite the 12 as a 0

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I never confirmed this, but I noticed that in parts of West Africa, people wouldn't say "afternoon" until after 1:00pm. Since greetings were important, I started noticing it more and more when peoe would say "good morning" during lunch at 12:30pm. As if the 12 noon hour is still part of the time segment.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Keep it simple and just measure in terms of seconds since the Big Bang. The current time is 435,884,579,968,052,736 seconds, easy peasy

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    technically that is 64 bit unix time.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The big bang was definitely not in 1970

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Only noobs start counting at 1. Midnight = 24:00 = 00:00

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Its possible to create a new time format/ system, the problem is how to standardise it everywhere

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Easy, use the metric time.

    9:30 PM would just become Hour 89.58333333/100 of the day 😉

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Babylonians: I see this as a complete win.

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  • [+] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    there's 86400 seconds in a day. If we use a new unit that is slightly shorter than a second as a metric second, we can do 100000 metric seconds a day, with 100 metric seconds per metric minutes, and 100 metric minutes per metric hour, and each day having 10 metric hours.

    Your 1 hour activity now takes 0.5 metric hours (it might be 20% longer, but that's arbitrary anyways, we rounded them to the closest hour anyways)

    We are only used to the current system because we have been using it.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago*

    Clocks are based on sundials. The little hand roughly follows where a shadow would be. The rest is just what people agreed on made the most sense.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The 6 means 6, 18, AND 30.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    Ugh I can hear it now

    In our relentless pursuit of innovation, we are proud to announce the switch from the outdated 24-hour clock to Metric Time™.

    Effective immediately, your standard 8-hour workday will now be... 8 metric hours.

    That’s 80% of the entire day. Because nothing says “work-life balance” like leaving 2 hours for life.

    Embrace the future. You’re already late.

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    [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Haven’t seen this one this week. Thanks

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Isn't this a standup routine?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    yeah I thought so too, can't find it though. Thought it was a Nate Bargatze joke like he does with Washington on SNL (link1/link2)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This one,

    https://youtu.be/9o8QZA2gsjM

    No description about who it is, I can't find the original.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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