This is exactly how Eric Barone felt, despite knowing in his heart that he had made something special to him. This is how he thought Stardew Valley would he received. The general gaming community are such cunts.
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With 20/20 hindsight it was obviously a good idea.
But at the time of making the decision, it was an unbelievably risky plan and the odds were stacked against it. As a matter of fact, for every successful 2D platformer made with care and love that gets released and becomes successful, there are dozens that fail miserably and that you will never hear of.
Yes, believing in yourself and taking risks makes success possible, but remember that it does not guarantee it.
luck has a lot to do with success, people often forget
Luck and a good review from a relevant reviewer. The devs of Nightmare Reaper credit Civvie11's reviews of their game to the multifold increase of sales after they sent him a redeem code. And that's not the only game that he's helped out.
If you didn't prepare for it, you often can't use the luck when it passes buy.
And the other way around, too. With the best conditions, you also need luck. (while still fully agreeing)
My friend quit his job and has been making indie games since 2015. It's been 20 10 years and he's made like $40,000 total in the time with all his games combined. His wife pays all the bills. Every time he releases a new game he tells everyone this is the one that'll make him a million bucks. He points to games like Hollowknight, Stardew Valley, Undertale etc as proof.
My friend quit his job and has been making indie games since 2015. It's been 20 years
If it has been 20 years since 2015 then I think I overslept.
It certainly feels like 20 years since 2015. Covid and Trump have easily stressed 20 years out of me.
This has scientific backing and isn't just a feeling: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-pandemic-accelerated-brain-aging-study-rcna220048
Hey, you. You’re finally awake. You were trying to cross the border, right? Walked right into that Imperial ambush, same as us, and that thief over there.
In a just world, your friend would be able to create as much art as he wants without having to worry about who is paying the bills.
He's definitely taking the wrong approach by trying to catch lightning in a bottle.
People forget that Hollow Knight didn't do very well at first, also. It took an excruciatingly long time for it to pick up steam.
This comment sounds like it's discouraging these kind of risks. But I feel like you should almost always take them, because otherwise your life is just hollow.
I think you've got to work out what your appetite for risk is. It's important to do take risks sometimes even if they scare you to move your life forward but also sometimes don't. I've seen a bunch of people really fuck their lives up because they just kept rolling the dice.
But what is "fucking your life up"? What is the end goal of life that you have to achieve, else you failed your life?
One of my goals in life is to not become impoverished due to bad financial decisions, and think of how many people quit their jobs to try to make a successful game just for their plan to not work out and them then trying to somehow get their lives back in order so they won't become homeless.
Despite this being a question for everyone to answer on their own, continuously failing risky bets and losing everything to it does not look like it will be a popular answer
But why would you even care about popularity? Right wing movements are also popular right now. I don't think popularity is any important measure at all to determine if something is right/wrong/good/bad
When I say fucking up I mean things like spending all their savings and maxing out their credit chasing a dream. It could have all worked out for them if things had gone different, but it didn't. As a result they're a lot less happy, don't have housing security and spend a lot more of their life fighting to stay afloat - their life is worse by almost every measurable metric. It's not about failing life, but it is about minimizing your suffering.
Mummy, why can't we have dinner today?
I'm sorry honey but you have to understand that daddy took a risk otherwise he would feel hollow! Sure we're broke now because he quit his job to do a thing and it didn't take off, and your little brother Timmy had to go live with Gramma or else he'd starve, but think of how daddy feels now! Not hollow!
Yeah but the vast majority of those failed games look bad and are mediocre gameplay wise. Even if they are a true passion project. They don’t come close to the quality of games like Hollow Knight, Dead Cells, Rogue Legacy, Inside or even Pizza Tower. Most sidescrollers (including metroidvanias, rogue likes and souls likes) released on Steam are of low quality because it’s very easy to make a basic game in that genre.
Yes the genre is risky but if you make a very good looking game that stands out with top notch gameplay you increase the odds of success significantly.
Budding indie devs need to realize whether they can make such a game. If not they need to find another genre that is less crowded or a genre with a very high demand, like the horror / liminal space genre those games have a much higher success rate compared to the average platformer.
Depends on their financial position overall. If you live below your means and save up, especially in a professional position, you can offset expenses with passive investment income. Retirement is really just getting to the point where passive income and using up savings can last you until you expect to die.
If you have passive income that covers your bills, then the main difference between working and not working (or doing work without guaranteed income) is that you're not getting ahead as quickly anymore. You're not necessarily even falling behind, though even that state could be maintained for a while depending on how much you have saved and what kind of credit you have access to.
But yeah, if you're living paycheck to paycheck, this isn't an option, you'll have to do the work around your other job.
If take no risk then you guarantee to fail. You just got to take those risks. And if it fails, don't give up. Just get up dust yourself off and try again. Just at different approach.
I remember the first comment I got on online was "you suck". But it was soon drowned by encouragement words and constructive feedback.
About Hollow Knight, by the time this got posted on reddit, the game was already funded through kickstarter - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/11662585/hollow-knight
What this image does not show is the amount of support this post received, more than 20k upvotes and plenty of endearing messages on reddit only.
u/YoDudeguy Nov 20 '15
Damn, that looks amazing! Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Will buy.
u/Eliza_Douchecanoe Nov 20 '15
I like the dark feel of it, but with light-hearted game play and sound effects. Good shit.
If I sort by votes, I had to scroll a bit to get to that 756 votes message.
It is important to filter and properly process the messages you receive. There are some mean and unnecessary messages on that image (and on the reddit thread), but they do not show the full picture and at that time could easily be ignored.
I agree. It can be easy to feel disheartened by a shitty comment (or many), and sometimes the bad outnumbers the good. However, it is useful to try to mentally filter out the mass of negativity because many of those are quick, lazy comments that say more about the commenter than the topic at hand.
Even though the sample of comments that you include in your comment are all short comments, I'd be inclined to view those with more weight, because it's just a part of reality that it's far easier to be negative and harmful than to be sincere and enthusiastic. There's more effort and care into those short comments than someone just being negative
Speaking of negativity, how the hell do people deal with the way reddit looks now? Everytime I see it this way I am shocked.
Avatars, ads, wasted space, weird conversation drop downs..... yuck.
i don't see it because I quit the millisecond third party apps did.
It's wild how they show so few replies. Like, the whole point of the site was discussing.
old.reddit.com. Anything that doesn't work on that or is to cumbersome to use on that is not worth engaging in.
Old.reddit.com has slowly been getting worse. Lots of collapsed comment trees, a similar posts section after the first two comments in a busy comments section, etc.
Searching old.reddit.com is getting harder. If you try to site search it on google, it gives you new reddit links.
Old seems to be blocked, as in other search engines it just gives you no results.
Luckily Kagi lets you add rewrite rules so you can filter site:reddit.com and then have reddit.com rewritten to old.reddit.com, but man reddit are fighting against people using the old site.
Yeah they forbid indexing of that subdomain. Their robots.txt has the following:
User-Agent: *
Disallow: /
Meaning: For any user agent disallow accessing anything under the root /, so anything.
All you need is an account (even a banned one) that is set to old.reddit in the options. Then all the reddit links will look normal.
yeah I know. And third party apps still work too if you compile them yourself.
But I was just commenting on how insane it looks.
I used to use old.reddit.com with Reddit Enhancement Suite to disable CSS
most of them are bot and AI responses or posts.
the bot responses are done by people warming up thier accounts for ban evasion to be exact(OF fans, link farmers), this seperate from the propaganda ones.
one thing reddit REALLY hates is new accounts and old accounts with sudden activity.
By avoiding it like the plague. They really did it didn't it? When I used to Google something I was stoked when there was some reddit link in the results and would always go there, now I just die inside a little more when I scroll the results and the only relevants seems to be reddit.
Yeah, and its even worse that it will only be via google. They are the only crawler allowed to index reddit now. I gave up using google unless I absolutely have to as the search results are not great anymore.
But even if one likes google, having no competition and being the only results that are now trapped in reddit, that just sucks! We need real forums back. or lemmy needs a little more techinical answers in the communities to quit looking to reddit.
Huh, it's not like Reddit to be pointlessly hateful 😌
Lol pointless hate isnt limited to reddit.
Yeah, lemmy definitely isn't immune, there's just a lot less of it almost definitely in part because there is a lot less engagement in general.
I honestly don't think that's true. Lemmy has way more human engagement than reddit for the large communities. It's still missing on the niche subjects, but that'll catch up.
I want to know how we can pull more people on here so we do not have to use these Silicon Valley parasites.
We're not that far out, probably another year or two. It keeps getting easier and easier to join. Piefed looks like a good avenue to recommend because it's easier to use than lemmy. They say they're ran by a non-profit.
I am not all that Savvy and I almost gave up trying to join Lemmy here. The first instance I tried to join did not accept my application for whatever reason and two days time, this one did within just a few hours but I almost did not bother trying a second one. Is this pie fed and instance of the Federated Lemmy here? I'm not entirely certain how all this works but the idea I wholeheartedly support and think is the future for online communication of people that are not tools.
Think of federation like the Hawaii Islands. It's a group of types of social media, and they're kind of similar.
Each island has its own flavor and way of traveling to other islands though. Meaning, some have commercial airplanes and some don't,, so you have to travel with your own personal boat to certain islands. Same with federation, you have the twitter style of Mastodon where they can post on the reddit style of Lemmy, but lemmy can't really post on Mastodon.
Piefed is a reddit style and you can't really tell the difference to lemmy, other than Piefed seems to have a better user interface. I haven't personally tried Piefed, but the features they brag about seem great.
There are all kinds of other types of federation (or islands) that are similar to other social media types. There's youtube, tumbler, instagram types, etc. They may or may not be able to communicate with lemmy back and forth easily.
An instance is just a computer (or many computers) someone has set up to handle all of the traffic and data, that's it. That's why some instances don't get back to you, that instance owner may have had something personally come up, or they're not really working on the project anymore. Some may be owned by big corporations as well, we just don't know.
I hope this doesn't confuse you more, but feel free to ask any questions and I'll try my best to answer them quickly.
Also isn't piefed a fork so that we don't have to use an interface coded by transphobic tankies?
Yes, there’s less in terms of there being fewer overall discussions going on. Proportionally, though, I’d say Lemmy feels very similar to Reddit in terms of hivemind circlejerking and hateposting.
I finally blocked most lemmy.world comms and started blocking users who I feel make the vibe worse, and that's helped.
i started blocking "know it alls, or ackshually, this not how you pronounce or say it" they are up to no good, and prone to argue if you respond.
I would argue that Reddit has a lot more younger angsty teenage crowd, that’s why those types of comments are pretty common there. Lemmy at the moment doesn’t have that problem because I bet our demographic leans more towards late 20s and 30s.
I interacted with mostly good people on Reddit outside of influence agents and trolls. The problem is the site moderation is corrupted.
It's like they're trained or something... like some sort of engine.. that-uh that tanks their thinking...
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