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[+] 92 points 1 year ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)
  • [โ€“] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    How does this compare to OsmAnd, which is what I currently use?

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  • [โ€“] 18 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Isn't OsmAnd primarily a navigation app?

    StreetComplete is an app that gives you tasks to complete, like "Does the bus stop have a light? Can blind people use the cross walk? What's the house number? How many bikes can use the bike parking lot?"

    It's a bit like Pokemon Go, but without a for profit company behind it and the result helps other people.

    Try it out... It's free.

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  • [โ€“] 58 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    StreetComplete... Global Rank: #1567 Local Rank: #131 Days Active: 370

    You're welcome ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  • [โ€“] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Errr global rank #5770 checking in. To be fair I'm just not out a lot.

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  • [โ€“] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    @Cyber Global rank of #303 on StreetComplete. I've been doing this for years. It's a passion.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Nice! Ok, I've been doing this for a couple of years, but I think SC just shows actual number of days something was entered

    But.. #303... I've got a looong way to go

    (I bet you're a delivery driver ๐Ÿ˜‰)

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  • [โ€“] [S] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Thatโ€™s so cool they have ranks!

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  • [โ€“] 17 points 1 year ago*

    Yeah, you get Quests and "unlock" things - which is mostly links to sites that use OSM data for interesting things.

    It's fun for a bit, but I'm glad that after a while you don't see them anymore...

    I'm happy just recording the opening times for a decent friendly restaurant... and the name of a bustop... and house numbers... and street lighting... and...

    Edit: Oh and I've covered 7 countries by the look of it. Canada and EU mostly...

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  • [โ€“] 45 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    i spent my summer last year filling all the street names on a caribbean island i was going on holiday in december, so i could use Co-Maps offline during my trip (aka Maps.me and Organic Maps before enshitification)

    osm is the best!

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  • [โ€“] 17 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Wait did organic maps enshitify?

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  • [โ€“] 30 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Thw open letter describes it best, but in short: shareholders doing things behind the devs' backs

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  • [โ€“] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I see. Deleted organic maps and installed comaps on my phones.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I think the replacement is CoMaps

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 1 year ago

    I'm glad to have seen your comment. It's unfortunate people start these good projects and get taken in by the money. Using community donations to fund a personal holiday is shameful. I won't be using Organic Maps any longer.

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  • [โ€“] 42 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You contribute to OSM to have an open source database free to all

    I contribute to OSM so my local Pokemon GO scene has accurate biome mapping

    We are not the same

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    What tags does pokemon go use to determine biomes? I occasionally contribute updates around my local area, that would be a neat thing to apply

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  • [โ€“] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Lots of them! Pokemon go has a few main biomes with lots of other factors to determine what spawns. Main biomes are grass, city, mountain, and water.

    Then you have other tags for things like parks and paths, which give special spawn points. Parks have rotating habitats for one particular species and can have EX gyms. Paths will spawn Pokemon along them with a few unique species.

    Regional spawns occur as well, with some continents or countries having one or more special species unique to it. And rather than a strict limit, some species are much more common in certain latitudes.

    Beyond that are some tags that prevent spawns, like military bases or wetlands, places you aren't encouraged to just walk around.

    A list of tags from Reddit

    Notes on how POGO uses these:

    Blocked Spawn areas http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/r42

    Nest Locator http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/r43

    Nests that require paths http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/r44

    OSM Influences Nests and Blocked Spawns (a work in progress)

    Nests

    Confirmed

    leisure=park

    leisure=garden

    leisure=golf_course

    leisure=recreation_ground

    boundary=physiogeographical

    landuse=grass (may need secondary tag to be a nest)

    Possible

    landuse=recreation_ground

    leisure=playground

    landuse=village_green

    leisure=pitch

    boundary=national_park

    Paths

    highway=footpath

    highway=path

    highway=cycleway

    highway= sidewalk

    highway=footway

    route=bicycle

    route=hiking

    route=foot

    network

    Creates Nests if Paths present

    Confirmed

    landuse=farmland

    landuse=farmyard

    natural=scrub

    natural=heath

    landuse=meadow

    Possible

    natural=moor*

    natural=grassland

    natural=fell

    natural=bare_rock

    natural=scree

    natural=shingle

    natural=sand

    natural=mud

    natural=valley

    natural=rock

    natural=stone

    natural=arete

    natural=beach

    landuse=greenfield

    (*Deprecated or incorrect tag)

    Blocked Spawns

    Blocks Spawns without Paths

    Confirmed

    natural=wood

    landuse=forest

    natural=forest*

    Possible

    landuse=orchard

    (*Deprecated or incorrect tag)

    Blocks all Spawns

    Confirmed

    landuse=construction

    landuse=military

    landuse=quarry

    landuse=railway

    landuse=landfill

    aeroway=runway

    aeroway=taxiway

    amenity=school

    highway=motorway

    highway=trunk

    highway=primary

    highway=secondary

    highway=tertiary

    Water tags, unknown if surrounding spawns are water influenced

    natural=wetland

    wetland=

    natural=glacier

    natural=marsh*

    (*Deprecated or incorrect tag)

    Possible

    amenity=daycare

    amenity=kindergarten

    Water

    Effects biomes on edges. Blocks spawns away from land unless crossed by route=ferry?

    Confirmed

    landuse=basin

    landuse=reservoir

    natural=coastline

    natural=spring

    natural=water

    water=lake

    water=pond

    water=reservoir

    water=basin

    water=canal

    water=river

    natural=waterway

    waterway=river

    waterway=riverbank

    waterway=stream

    waterway=canal

    waterway=drain

    waterway=ditch

    man_made=water_tower

    Possible

    landuse=salt_pond

    natural=bay

    waterway=wadi

    waterway=drystream

    waterway=fairway

    waterway=dock

    waterway=boatyard

    waterway=dam

    waterway=weir

    waterway=stream_end

    waterway=waterfall

    waterway=lock_gate

    water=lagoon

    water=reflecting_pool

    water=fish_pass

    water=oxbow

    water=lock

    water=moat

    water=wastewater

    water=stream_pool

    Possibly Effects Biomes Only

    natural=peak (Mt Moon biome forms around peaks)

    landuse=industrial

    landuse=commercial

    landuse=residential

    landuse=retail

    Does not block spawns or create nests but otherwise unknown

    landuse=cemetery

    landuse=port

    landuse=depot

    landuse=garages

    amenity=grave_yard

    Boundaries

    May influence all nests needing paths to spawn within that area

    boundary=administrative

    boundary=historic

    boundary=maritime

    boundary=political

    boundary=postal_code

    boundary=religious_administration

    boundary=protected_area

    boundary=national_park

    boundary=physiogeographical

    Unknown Effects

    Area

    natural=hot_spring

    natural=volcano

    natural=sinkhole

    natural=tundra

    landuse=brownfield

    landuse=allotments

    landuse=greenhouse_horticulture

    landuse=plant_nursery

    landuse=vineyard

    geological=moraine

    geological=outcrop

    geological=palaeontological_site

    Lines

    natural=ridge

    natural=cliff

    natural=saddle

    natural=tree_row

    Nodes

    natural=geyser

    natural=tree

    natural=cave_entrance

    Some tag info from Reddit regarding paths and spawn blocking:

    1. Lines tagged highway=footway that also carry the tag bridge=yes do not generate additional spawn points. Critically, this encompasses all boardwalks, which are correctly tagged bridge=boardwalk.
    2. Lines tagged highway=footway do not provide a spawn point exception through the area blocked by natural=wetland as they do for natural=wood. It's possible that this is an extension of the issue with bridge=yes โ€“ I have no local examples without both tags.
    3. Areas tagged landuse=basin block all spawn points, despite being used correctly to tag the contemporary practice of building a stormwater retention system beneath a city park. These areas are rendered as water in-game, but do not seem to influence Water spawns, although more data would be helpful in determining this. (OSM also has issues rendering basins.)
    4. Areas tagged leisure=nature_reserve do not nest. Could be intent, could be oversight, but seems like an odd exception, as the distinction between a park and a preserve is fluid โ€“ at least in the US. The same is true for areas tagged landuse=winter_sports, the correct tag to describe a ski resort, and areas tagged leisure=dog_park.
    5. Areas tagged amenity=prison do not block all spawn points. Since this is the correct way to tag a prison or jail โ€“ which is to say, a high-security facility where people probably shouldn't be chasing Pokรฉmon โ€“ this seems wrong.
    6. Lines tagged waterway=river, waterway=stream, and waterway=ditch are not rendered on the map despite influencing Water spawns in nearby spawn points. The same is true for areas tagged natural=wetland and points tagged amenity=fountain.
    7. Lines tagged power=line and power=minor_line do not influence Electric spawns in the way that streams do with Water Pokรฉmon. More of a missed opportunity than anything. You could say the same with railway=rail and Steel or any of the more specific OSM building tags the game references to seemingly no effect: leisure=stadium, amenity=cinema, tourism=hotel, and so on.
    8. Lines tagged highway=track show up visually as paths, despite being intended to represent vehicle tracks that fall short of the qualifications for being an unpaved road. They do not generate additional spawn points, so this is assumed to be an error with the in-game renderer.
    9. Lines tagged highway=service and service=driveway render as roads on the map, which are not to scale. This is especially glaring if houses and garages are mapped. Ideally, there probably should be a thinner style of road for all service roads, tracks, living streets, or any other highway designation where vehicles are likely to encounter pedestrians.
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  • [โ€“] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Waouh. Gather such knowledge is some dedication to a game. Congrats!

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  • [โ€“] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I totally forgot to start doing this again. Just moved from the US to a tiny town in Sweden, I'll play my part!

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  • [โ€“] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I have no idea why but I love contributing to OSM. it's relaxing to me while also being productive.

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  • [โ€“] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    As a resident of Salt Lake City, host of the 2034 winter Olympics, I want to wow the Europeans that visit. We will not be limited by our national politics. I will continue to throw my time into OSM because I believe it will change the world beyond it's ambitions. I'm stuck on the idea of a community map.

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  • [โ€“] 22 points 1 year ago

    CoMaps and OrganicMaps are really cool and integrate with OpenStreetMap to edit places and stuff.

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  • [โ€“] 22 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    What is desperately needed by all the open source navigation apps on Android is traffic info. You just can't plan a half decent route without it. Speed limits info is not enough to know the time a route will take. You need the actural average speed of the roads. Especially on old European roads.

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  • [โ€“] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    But how to do that reliably and with up-to-date info if not invading the privacy of people?

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 year ago

    Legally forced sharing from all platforms with onion routing and no ID? Government road data fed by all those cameras? Seams a solvable problem if done with privacy in mind not as yet another opportunity for mass surveillance.

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    To be fair, we all did just fine before Waze existed.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Nope. I was frequently late when using any number of open sat navs without traffic info. I end up reverting to close Waze or Google Maps.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, it's hard to overstate what a big deal real-time traffic data was/is. And I have to wonder, how many traffic jams are prevented - or at least reduced - by it. How did we manage before Waze et al.? We were just late a lot more.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 1 year ago

    How did we manage before Waze et al.?

    I (and i suspect most people who cared to know) listened to a local radio station who reported on traffic during high (or abnormal) traffic periods of the day.

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Can people not scrape other platforms and train their AI openstreetmaps on publicly available information

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  • [โ€“] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Doubt it. OSM doesn't allow contributors to rip from Google and alike, scraping would be included in that presumably. Google has the copyright here.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    How would Google realistically prevent it from happening slowly organically from real people who happen to look it up

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  • [โ€“] 10 points 1 year ago

    If incorrect data gets copied thats quite a good indicator that we are copying google.

    If it's one person, maybe google doesn't care, but frankly I think we should want to get the data in such a way that google doesn't even get to make a noise about it.

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  • [โ€“] 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Question: how does one not doxx them selves when mapping their local area? Or is it not an issue because you don't really provide any info past that?

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  • [โ€“] 13 points 1 year ago

    To properly link your mapping to your identity, someone would both need to be able to link whatever online username you're using to the one in street complete. Which could be either easy or very hard depending on how correlated they are (same username maybe?)

    And even then the accuracy will probably not be great, maybe up to the city. Any more specific than that will be hard unless the edits are very obviously centered around a street.

    TLDR: probably not too bad of an issue

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You can disable auto-upload. I collect 50 or 100 tasks and upload them at once. So, it's at least not possible to know where I currently am, just where I was a few days or weeks ago.

    I kind of completed tasks in a larger area. But which city I'm living in is kind of obvious if you look at my OSM account.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 1 year ago

    So, it's at least not possible to know where I currently am, just where I was a few days or weeks ago.

    Some OSM edits add the date of the survey though, so it's possible to know when you were at a place and e.g. confirmed its opening hours. But honestly no one's gonna doxx you or whatever lol

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 1 year ago

    Best thing: map little bits of any area you're in and then you're not pin pointing yourself.

    But as someone else pointed out, you don't have to upload at the time you're doing the clarifications, so it's very low risk of someone working out where you are.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 1 year ago

    You can just search me up and get my city easily, so my open street contribution won't help that much in narrowing it down. Honestly the public records are enough that people can just follow me around from work, probably.

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  • [โ€“] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Can someone please TLDR/ELI5 how one contributes to this and what the end 'service' looks like?

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  • [โ€“] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I find OSM is better than Google maps as Google are missing some paths

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It reaaaaaaally depends on how active people are in the area

    You can have one city with every pavement stone mapped and the town over just be "yup, there's a street here"

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    UK also has ordnance survey maps that are just the best maps. Found out our local library has a shit load of them too. But it probably helps OSM a lot more too if you used them as a source.

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  • Lots of communities use official mappings, actually. But some places put them under a license that can't be used for OSM

    Germany had a case somewhat recently where a bunch of stuff had to be reverted, because the licence wasn't clear enough

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  • [โ€“] 13 points 1 year ago

    It's also much higher quality than Google Maps.

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The only thing it's missing is live traffic, I would switch in a heartbeat. It's my main goto for biking and walking, just not the car for that reason.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 year ago

    For me it's the reviews that I'm missing the most. Mapy.com has reviews so I've been starting using that, CoMaps for saving my favorite/want to go/etc places, and HereWeGo for navigation by car. I wish those three would combine as a perfect alternate too Google Maps.

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    How does OSM handle conflict resolution? Different info, multiple listings, spam, etc.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    There are folks who review the changelogs, and when there are mistakes users can make pins on the maps.

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    I'm checking out Street Complete, but I can't seem to modify or contribute info for the apartment I'm living in. I don't want random quests, I want to be and to key in and / or verify info for places I'm familiar with. What app should I be using?

    Edit: Google says Vespucci, gonna give that a try

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 1 year ago*

    Really โ˜„๏ธwishโ˜„๏ธ comaps was available on accrescent instead of organicmaps

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  • [+] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [โ€“] 11 points 1 year ago*

    maps[dot]me was great at the beginning, but they went hard on monetizing lots of stuff and have become unreliable/actively bad

    there's a fork named Organic Maps, but the people who lead that project are unwilling to cooperate with the open source community, even though the project should be FOSS

    so now there's a new fork called Co-Maps which tries to live by the principles of free open source software and that's what i'm using currently: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CoMaps

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 1 year ago

    I think EveryDoor and GoMap!! (in which switching off several less-relevant types of โ€˜questsโ€™ might be useful). More theme-based MapComplete can be used as well, but that can only through your browser, no special app)

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  • [+] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [โ€“] 4 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    I don't get how a map can be copyrighted.

    Like if two people happens to draw the same exact map, then what? Who gets to sue who? First come first serve? Literally does not make sense.

    "Intellectual Property" doesn't make sense for something like a map, like... its not a manuscript/draft of a book where its secret and hidden, the streets are literally public for anyone to draw, like wtf is a copyright for?!?

    (I wanna just "pirate" all of Google's Maps lol)

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  • [โ€“] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Mapping accurately is an incredibly time-intensive process.

    A person or company that puts in the time and effort to accurately map an area, and sell the resulting product, deserves to get compensated for that time spent, in my opinion. And if someone comes in to take their work, copy it and sell it as their own, then that could justifiably be called copyright infringement or theft.

    Just like how a painting of a church can be copyrighted (while the building is not), or how a dictionary can be copyrighted (while the words are not), a map can be copyrighted while the features that it depicts are not.

    like wtf is a copyright for?!?

    The copyright is for the time and effort spent to accurately map a region.

    Like if two people happens to draw the same exact map, then what? Who gets to sue who? First come first serve? Literally does not make sense.

    If they drew it independently, then there is no copyright infringement since there was no copying.
    But it is worth noting that the odds that two people independently drawing the exact same map independently are in reality very slim. It is highly suspicious if someone starts selling what is effectively a copy of your map.

    In practice such cases of copyright infringement will have to be taken to court, where the person having their copyright infringed needs to prove beyond reasonable doubt that their copyright was in fact infringed.
    This is often difficult to do with maps.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Like if two people happens to draw the same exact map, then what? Who gets to sue who? First come first serve? Literally does not make sense.

    In many cases intention matters. Two people can take the same picture and that would be fine, but if the intention was to copy someone's work, then this is bad.

    Also, in this case often the person accused of copying someone, needs to proof that they didn't, which inverts the burden of proof. Copyright as it works right now, serves more the wealthy then the little men, as it is with so many laws under the current system.

    Copyright itself needs to be reorganized fundamentally.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Also, in this case often the person accused of copying someone, needs to proof that they didnโ€™t, which inverts the burden of proof.

    I'm not sure that that claim is accurate.

    To my knowledge it is not usually the case that someone who is sued for copyright infringement needs to prove their innocence before the court. Normally it is the accuser who needs to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the copyright infringement took place.

    Could it be that you might be conflating it with YouTube and their ContentID system?
    That system is not strictly a legal requirement, but rather YouTube covering their ass so they don't get sued into oblivion for the many cases of copyright infringement that people upload to that platform on the regular

    Edit: However, I do agree that the copyright system needs a pretty significant overhaul to better suit the digital age.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The DMCA takedowns work like that, AFAIK.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Under the DMCA a copyright holder can send out a take-down notice.

    This is essentially the copyright holder telling you that they believe you to be in violation of their copyright. They are requesting you take down the content they believe to be infringing on their copyright, backed up by the threat of legal action.

    The take-down notice is not forcing you to take down the allegedly infringing work. You have the option to send back a counter-notice, saying that you believe no copyright infringement took place. However, then the copyright holder might take you to court to determine whether this is a case of copyright infringement or not.

    When the case is taken to court it is still up to the copyright holder to prove beyond reasonable doubt that this is a case of copyright infringement.

    (I'm not a lawyer, but this is my understanding of how the DMCA works)

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  • [โ€“] [S] 1 point 1 year ago

    Also check out Pure Maps for Linux phones!

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