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[+] 50 points 1 year ago (19 children)
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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Bingo. The rhetoric exists specifically to deter any consideration about defecting from the party line because they aren't actually of the left, they are the right wing defense of the capitalist status quo; the same capitalist status quo that is currently devolving into fascism in its late stages.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If we’re not allowed to criticize candidates in the general then I’m gonna criticize them extra hard in the primaries.

    I’m gonna have to vote for whoever everyone else picks anyway because my choice has literally never won.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    What primary? I believe the little switcheroo they pulled to try and shove Kamalama-ding-dong down democrats throats, was on purpose. That makes 3 primaries in a row that the DNC fucked over democrats, which is why I registered Independent the last time I got a new license.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Instead of trying to tear down the other Dems, why aren't you trying to build up your candidates?

    Bernie is better about this than you are. Follow his lead.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    So terrible to “tear down” (criticize) a politician siding with the far right on trans people. His feelings are much more important than trans kids being safe and healthy, obviously.

    If Bernie has told anyone to shut up about Newsom’s transphobia he can also fuck off.

    By the way, all this “tearing down” has a super easy fix. All he has to do is stop being a fucking transphobe. If it’s so important that everyone supports him, you should call his office and tell him to walk that shit back. Because it’s going to lose him voters if he tries a presidential run.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Legislation signed by Newsom:

    2024 Ban on Parental Notification:

    Newsom signed a bill prohibiting school districts from notifying parents if their child changes their gender identity, protecting students from forced outings and creating a safe space for gender exploration. 

    California Sanctuary State Law:

    In 2022, Newsom signed a law making California a refuge for transgender youth and families from other states with discriminatory laws, ensuring access to gender-affirming care. 

    Inclusion in Death Tracking:

    Newsom signed a bill into law that explicitly included sexual orientation and gender identity in the tracking data for violent deaths of LGBTQ individuals. 

    Areas of conflict and criticism:

    Veto of Custody Bill:

    In 2023, Newsom vetoed a bill that would have required judges to consider a parent's affirmation of their child's gender identity in custody disputes. 

    Concerns about Trans Athletes:

    Newsom has voiced opposition to transgender athletes competing in women's sports, a stance that has drawn criticism from the LGBTQ+ community for aligning with conservative viewpoints on the issue. 

    Public Resistance to School Notification:

    Newsom's initial resistance to the ban on parental notification, even as he signed other bills expanding rights, caused tension within the LGBTQ+ community. 

    Recent shifts in Newsom's position:

    Podcast with Charlie Kirk:

    In March 2025, Newsom appeared on a podcast with right-wing provocateur Charlie Kirk, where he agreed with Kirk's views on the "unfair advantage" of trans athletes in sports, causing shock and condemnation from allies and sparking debate about his commitment to trans rights. 

    Internal Democratic Feud:

    His stance on trans issues, including athletes, is reportedly causing tension within the Democratic Party and has been seen by some as a strategic move to avoid being associated with the party's support for trans rights, especially after recent election losses. 

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    Why are you explaining this to me like I’m not a trans person who has lived in California over a decade?

    California LGBTQ leaders and organizations with decades of experience in advocating for LGBTQ people immediately condemned his statements. It doesn’t matter what legislation he’s signed in the past, throw the trans community under the bus and that goes out the window.

    If any criticism of him is bad, the only way to make it stop is to get him to stop being a transphobe for political gain. Period. If everyone has shut up about it then it’s because I’m dead.

    Also, don’t you think it’s a little rude to respond to a comment with a ChatGPT infodump without even disclosing it?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    One side wants to literally kill you.

    The other side won't let you play in some sports.

    And your solution is to let others decide between the two, because you don't like either.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    Are you intentionally trying to miss the point that this is entirely fixable if Newsom walks back the transphobia? Because all I’m hearing is that there’s a certain amount of transphobia that trans people are obligated to silently accept, and that’s horse shit.

    The fact you think it’s ‘just sports’ shows you have zero clue what that represents. Asking trans people to just accept the erosion of their participation in public life for the good of a society that hates us is fucked. Which of your rights have you put on the chopping block for everyone else?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    One side wants to kill us, and now the other side is shifting to agree with them on trans people existing being a problem. I don't know why you think it'll end with sports. If they're successful at banning trans people from sports, next comes bathroom, employment protections, housing protections, and so on. We can't just brush these things off, or they'll continue to sprint towards right wing ideology to pursue the mythical "centrist" voters.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Sports are the only one of those that we've segregated by gender.

    It's also the only one that's remotely bipartisan.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Might wanna read closer: bathrooms are frequently segregated by gender.

    The argument isn't really about where we are now (bad place), it's about permitting the shift of the overton window to the right permitting the further erosion of trans rights.

    People always bitching about 'you gotta look at the big picture' and sacrifice trans rights as if those repressive forces aren't working on that same damn timeframe to take those and more.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm willing to "sacrifice" trans rights in women's sports. There's at least some point there that's debatable.

    I'm not willing to harass people over what bathroom they use.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I was asked some three or four years ago my stance and I didn't have one then it wasn't even something I thought should be considered. How has your attitude changed in the last few years?

    Furthermore, do you consider yourself well represented by the Democratic Party now? Or were you better represented in the past?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I've come around very slightly on how hormones level the playing field, but not really. The problem in sports is that we are filtering for the exceptional. There's a better reason to segregate sports by gender than there are bathrooms.

    Well represented? Not really. I think we have a system where money plays too big of a role, nobody in the Dem party really runs on big ideas, and everything is rightfully consumed by the fight against fascism.

    But I also think those problems are very much secondary to Mango Mussolini. And I think even most establishment Dems try harder than they're given credit for.

    It's always easier to throw tomatoes from the sidelines than it is to actually lead.

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    [–] 23 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    There are many better options than Newsom, and if the dem party can't find true representatives, the party needs to be reborn.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (7 children)
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    You know, I bought this in 2016, 2020 and 2024. I don't anymore. Biden is a clear example of why this argument fails: He got elected because everyone held their nose and voted for him, to be rid of Trump. His Presidency was spectacularly lackluster, basically four years of a lame duck as the Democratic Party withered into gerontocracy. It was like watching Brezhnev try to hold the Soviet Union together.

    Four years later, we got Trump II, and this time it's so much worse. MAGA completed its takeover of the Republican Party, he has a cabinet of True Believers and total loyalists, corporate America groveling, a huge budget for ICE, and a comprehensive plan in Project 2025 to dismantle the state and reshape it into fascism.

    Did Biden save us? No! Biden fucked us, because the DNC refused to reform, alienated progressives and turned Congress into a retirement home. Resentment built, the wheels fell off, and it turbocharged the MAGA movement.

    The DNC is dead. Neoliberalism is dead. The centrist strategy is dead. We need an actual vision, not just Nancy Pelosi playing the stock market and selling bombs to Israel while we're crushed under mountains of debt.

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  • [+] -4 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Nope, you are actually the accelerationist here for refusing to lucidly deal with the mechanism of acceleration truthfully and instead are faffing around with half measures that ensure the problem will not be stopped but make you feel less scared.

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  • [–] 80 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I will never forget that Gavin Newsom vetoed ranked choice voting in CA. He's already demonstrated that he is anti-democratic. I would vote against Trump every time no matter who the DNC put up, including Newsom, but I would be holding my nose yet again to vote for the less shitty of two shitty choices. The DNC can't keep running on "we're not Trump." They needed to give us a candidate we actually wanted.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I would vote against Trump every time no matter who the DNC put up

    They needed to give us a candidate we actually wanted.

    Apparently they don't

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Astute viewers at home may have noticed that the Democrats just lost the last election with that strategy. Just because I'll hold my nose and do the necessary thing doesn't mean everyone else will. In fact, they didn't.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Just because I'll hold my nose and do the necessary thing doesn't mean everyone else will.

    The 'necessary thing' is voting for a fascist multi millionaire? He may be slightly better than the current guy, since the bar to pass is so low, but he's very far from an actually valid candidate.

    I understand different people have different situations in which the 'necessary thing' may vary. However, he'll only solve a handful of current issues plaguing the USA, if even that. From whefe I'm standing (which arguably is quite far away as I'm a European) you'd achieve much more by protesting. Especially given that there may not be another election in your country. Though I'm also aware protests in the USA may come with serious risk of injury or loss of life.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    seems like they are pushing him pretty hard, the DNC that is, seeing as how they freaked out over THE MINNESOTA mayor and zohran in nyc. having him doing some performative parlor tricks for the media.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The DNC seems to be fearful of losing their control of the party to younger, more progressive voices. So they keep advocating for the viability of closer-to-cenrer candidates who won't rock the party boat, even though they lose so many votes to folks uninspired to get out and vote for "the lesser evil". I will never "both sides" this mess, but the DNC needs to get its shit together and actually represent the median of "left" in the U.S. or it will continue to fail.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    What's crazy is the DNC and state parties are partnering with Bernie and AOC for a national tour to retake the House...

    And people see Newsom's shit posts and legitimately say:

    At least he's doing something

    All he's fucking doing is eating up the media's attention so they don't have to talk about actual shit.

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  • [+] 12 points 1 year ago (19 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    He's also redistricting California

    He got it on the ballot. He has no control over what voters do. It’s likely to pass, but if it doesn’t he gets to go “aw shucks, I tried!”

    and refusing to cooperate with Trump like other states have, such as volunteering national guard

    I mean, Trump deployed the California National Guard anyway. Not volunteering them didn’t actually accomplish anything.

    I’m sorry to hammer on this but it’s important to not give him credit for things he didn’t actually do. The media disinformation/lack of proper explanation in articles about what exactly is going on with California redistricting makes it seem to many like Newsom is a magic man who’s making a bunch of new Democratic districts tomorrow, but it’s not even on the ballot until November and it’s not a guaranteed thing.

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Irrelevant to the end results: he didn’t prevent the California National Guard from being deployed against US civilians, and he hasn’t actually done anything to ensure that redrawing districts will happen.

    Giving him credit for shit he hasn’t accomplished is ridiculous.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    He’s also redistricting California

    Eggs ain't chickens...

    Besides, it's not on Newsom to do that, there's nothing he's actually doing.

    It's handled by lower level state politicians deciding on if Cali voters will have a chance to vote on if it should happen.

    If Newsom was just a megaphone and was talking about the work those people were doing to make it happen, I wouldn't be so negative about him. But he's textbook CEO claiming they personally built a product. He's Elon Musk before most people realized he's a piece of shit.

    We have the best chance in 30 years for a progressive to win the Dem primary and then the general. We can't waste it just because Newsom hired some teenager for meme research.

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  • [+] 5 points 1 year ago (12 children)
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Nah, 2008 we had no chance. But when Obama won he ignored the DNC leaving neoliberals in charge.

    So they focused on changing the "weak points" that allowed Obama to pull an upset. In 2016 Hillary was literally funding the DNC, and her campaign had final say on every action the DNC took and everything they said.

    That wasn't even an agreement most members of the DNC were aware of, we only know because Donna Brazile blew the whistle as interim chair.

    2016 I thought Bernie had a shot, but he never did. They very likely would have just went against the primary if he managed to win. That's how bad shit really was.

    If anything I undersold how long it's been. Even back with Jimmy Carter the DNC faced a revolt because he was a hard right pivot compared to FDR and not really what Dem voters want.

    The Overton window has just moved so far right, we remember him as the last good one and not the first moderate one. So I wouldn't object to the argument that this is the best chance in 50 years.

    It's truly historic, but we had to go thru some shit to get here. And someone like Newsom would make it all worth nothing.

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  • [+] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Carter was "ok" but the party pushing him almost caused the DNC to split, and was the begining of a move to the right that lasted generations...

    You're comparing Carter to everyone who came after and said he's progressive.

    While ignoring the Dem before him is widely recognized as the peak of modern liberalism, the thing before neoliberalism...

    Lyndon Johnson's Great Society was aimed at expanding civil rights, public broadcasting, access to health care, aid to education and the arts, urban and rural development, consumer protection, environmentalism, and public services. He sought to create better living conditions for low-income Americans by spearheading the war on poverty. As part of these efforts, Johnson signed the Social Security Amendments of 1965, which resulted in the creation of Medicare and Medicaid. Johnson made the Apollo program a national priority; enacted the Higher Education Act of 1965 which established federally insured student loans; and signed the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 which laid the groundwork for U.S. immigration policy today. Johnson's civil rights legacy was shaped by the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Civil Rights Act of 1968. Due to his domestic agenda, Johnson's presidency marked the peak of modern American liberalism in the 20th century.[2] Johnson's foreign policy prioritized containment of communism, including in the ongoing Vietnam War.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_B._Johnson

    I'm not saying Carter was a useless piece of shit, I'm saying he's the one that started walking to the right, and the people after him went past the middle.

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    They very likely would have just went against the primary if he managed to win.

    First you just make shit up.

    That's how bad shit really was.

    Then you have the gall to say this. It literally wasn't.

    I've voted for Bernie every chance I've had. I've volunteered for Bernie. But this demonization of establishment Dems only serves the Nazis.

    See also: people who say the Dems have done everything they can to stop the soon to be NYC mayor. Other than self serving Cuomo, who isn't even a dem anymore, what have they done?

    It's literally just vote blue, Mamdani or not.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    How in the hell are you going to get Dems to change if you "just vote blue". That's how we ended up with Hillary and Hillary 2.0 (Kamala). And no, Givesomefucks is not "just making shit up", but you're the one who seems to not know what the fuck they're talking about. Bernie should have run as an Independent, I believe he would have kicked both their asses in 2016. Instead he rolled over like a good little lapdog and tried to shepherd people back to the Dems. How'd that work out?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    First you just make shit up.

    Have you never heard of a hypothetical before?

    Then you have the gall to say this. It literally wasn’t.

    I think you need to read this:

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774/

    But this demonization of establishment Dems only serves the Nazis.

    Look at my profile, I spend a good amount of time stumping for the modern DNC.

    My problem is with neoliberals, because they are what got us into this mess.

    Literally, just vote blue

    No

    No one's vote is obligated in the general.

    Blindly voting for anyone with a D by their name hasn't worked out nationally.

    On a national scale we need to encourage everyone to vote in the presidential primary, because it's actually going to be fair this time.

    If turnout is high. We'll get someone who breezes thru the general. No one will have to say "blue no matter who" because it'll be who the voters already want

    If turnout is low, some asshat like Newsom might get it, and we're fucked if it's him and a Republican in the general.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Blindly voting for anyone with a D by their name hasn't worked out nationally.

    What is it, 34% of the country that didn't vote? If we had gotten everyone to vote, it would have been a blowout.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If we had gotten everyone to vote, it would have been a blowout.

    If you give voters something they want instead of a douche or a turd sandwich...

    More people are going to vote.

    That's literally the whole point of what I'm saying.

    Give voters a fair primary and enjoy the easy win in the general.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I agree. There's a hell of a lot of room for more progressive candidates, and I think they can give people things to be excited about instead of being milquetoast.

    My point is

    If you tell people not to vote, fewer people will vote.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I'm already getting so many fundraising emails from Colin Alred's campaign in Texas

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    We need to rember the recall election agianst him was pushed by republicans but wasn't baseless...the question wasn't was did he do it, it was who could replace him that isnt worse, when we saw mr drag a bear and generic white democrats, gavin won not on merit, but by default. By no means is a good candidate but he gives the people a good liberal bribe.

    We cannont let a right wing governor take the reigns, and we dont want to lose what gavin has given us, thats where we stand.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I refuse to vote for him after he appeared on Charlie Kirk's podcast, said he completely aligns with him on trans issues, in particular banning HRT for minors and putting trans women in men's prisons.

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    At the close of the podcast, Charlie Kirk shifted the discussion to transgender healthcare, stating, "I encourage you to learn about the butchery that is happening under chemical castration in this state. The American people are overwhelmingly against it." Newsom responded, "Yeah. I think we have to be more sensitized to that."

    Kirk continued, "Youth should be off limits, you might be right on deportations, I know I’m right on this," to which Newsom simply acknowledged, "Yeah." Kirk then cited the Cass Report—a widely criticized and legally discredited review used to justify bans on transgender healthcare in the UK—as evidence that gender-affirming care for youth should be prohibited. Newsom offered no pushback, replying, "I’m not an expert on this, but I appreciate your broader [point]."

    I honestly thought he was looking to run as a Republican in 2028. Fuck him. I'm done. I held my nose and voted for Clinton, Biden, and Harris, but this is my breaking point. I've had it.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Great. Another Trump supporter.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm trans. fuck off with calling me a Trump supporter. you've never had to vote for someone who calls you slurs and promises to take away your rights.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Being trans has nothing to do with anything. How do you know what I've experienced or not? Here's the bottom line you either do something active to get trump out or you do something passive to keep him in. You might not like your choices, most people don't but that's what they are so. Also fuck off.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Being trans has nothing to do with anything. How do you know what I've experienced or not?

    Are you trans?

    Are you a member of any minority group that Gavin Newsom has pledged to crack down on? (I'm referencing the Charlie Kirk interview (you know, the Turning Point USA guy) I linked on a sibling post, where he said he was in "100% agreement" with him.)

    If not, you fuck off. It's like asking a Jew to support Röhm so Hitler doesn't get reelected führer.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    A democrat who does awful things and "aspire[s] to be Ronald Reagan". That's not a democratic or liberal candidate. It's a conservative take-over of the democratic party.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's a conservative take-over of the democratic party.

    I mean... that already happened like 30 years ago. After Walter Mondale got so thoroughly trounced by Reagan in 84, the DNC started looking for their own Reagan. It took a few years to cultivate the right candidate, but Bill Clinton is ultimately who they chose.

    People forget just how conservative he was because his famous sex scandal has crowded out any historical memory of his policy positions, but really the only difference between Clinton and Reagan is that Clinton balanced that budget. He was extremely conservative compared to contemporary democrats, but he was "folksy" and had the right kind of charisma to attract middle America. For Christ sake, the guy won Kentucky in both 92 and 96.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah being a shit poster is not the kind of leadership i want replacing Trump, especially when his other actions have been not to the standards of what i think of as a good person.

    Fuck Newsom, we can and need to do better, rather than richer.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    The fact that half the country has shit for brains leans me towards disagreeing with you. The 60's saw a charismatic, camera friendly JFK beat old shitty Nixon and everything turned into a popularity contest after that.

    The Republicans figured it out with Regan and have been refining it ever since. If Newsome can get enough shit brained non voters to put his name in a box for lulz then fuck it, I'd rather have that asshole than whoever the Republicans are going to pick.

    I'll be happier to see a progressive, educated professional with a successful career full of giving-a-shit , independent and with wild grassroots support, but that doesn't seem likely.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Okay, I'm not doing purity politics, he can change his was and I can forgive him. There's still some years left.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I feel like there are way more comments about how you can't make me support Newsom but people that actually… say you have to support Newsome. Like do they even really exist here?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Only "candidate" I've been excited about so far is Jon Stewart.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I wrote to him to encourage him to run against Trump. He was the best man for that job. I think in the future we should be able to do better.

    We shouldn't need Jon's wit and Carlin-ism to cut through their facade next election. We should just be able to do it with truth.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    I don't mind the trolling but I definitely don't want democrat Trump. Doesn't matter anyway since there won't be an election in 2028.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    It’s very clear he’s just campaigning.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The "vote blue no matter who" mantra is how we ended up with Killary and Kamalama-ding-dong in the fucking first place. How'd that work out?

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